Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[fenna]

1 hour ago, David_Campbell said:

show me proof she not making this up

Not up to anybody except LMG to prove her wrong.

And even if she is exagerating it, they've to ask how to avoid that in the future, cause all of this Is hurting LMG badly.

[AcidBurn98]

17 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

Please think about your post for a second. Her testimony is not proof and is so vague in most places - I fully agree with rickyc12s on this because it's a very common thing to happen. People take things out of context all the time and some people have different boundaries or more easily take offense. There's also many degrees of severity depending on how these allegations happened and her vague testimony makes people think the worst.

 

For example I'm still curious what she means with "inappropriately grabbed" for example because that could mean ANYTHING and I think she knows people would suspect the worst. If you grab a colleague by the waist as if to dance, that can be "inappropriate" but this is not what people here are suspecting. They think they grabbed her boobs or ass. 

She spelled it out for you. She said she was asked to twerk, told she should screw her co worker, and called slurs. At this point you are cherry picking anything to not have to admit your tech daddy has a horrible work culture. This is my actual final post for the night wanted to respond to this before bed.

[David_Campbell]

2 minutes ago, fenna said:

Not up to anybody except LMG to prove her wrong.

And even of she is exagerating it, they've to ask how to avoid that in the future, cause all of this Is hurting LMG badly.

your late, Colin backed her up and that is what i was looking for.

[croaker]

Can't wait for the new item in the store - "Big Girl Pants"

[620R]

6 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

Well that's exactly it - being asked to twerk isn't that big a deal if it's said as part of a goofy conversation. I mean, you DO watch LTT videos right? They say the silliest things on camera, do you think they fake it?

No, I don't think they fake it. As I don't think that adult actor fake enjoying doing what they do on camera, but I don't expect them to just do the same thing off camera to other workers, because there on camera and off camera. 

I get it that LTT hosts have quite the goofy personality, but that doesn't justify them doing what they allegedly did. 

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Even in that HR vid, it was joked that Linus should dance on the table - is THAT sexual harassment or just an innocent joke? You can make many silly things sound egregious by taking it out of the context. 

Yes, it is, but since both parties involved in the joke were ok with it, then it's not reported and the thing ends there. A bit like when people call me lazy fat ass or useless or bald [redacted], it's ok with me because I like those kind of jokes. Just so you understand to what little extent you have to go to "sexually harass" someone at work, calling a man "bald" is considered sex-related harassment. And that's exactly why SH training is extremely important, because most people don't even understand what consists SH and what doesn't.

 

21 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

You can make many silly things sound egregious by taking it out of the context. Now, if someone walks up to her and goes "hey twerk that booty for me" that's very different but somehow I doubt that's what happened.

Well, to be clear, in any work-related context that would count as sexual harassment. 

[dwrecks]

 

Further details from the person who leaked the meeting 

 

[David_Campbell]

12 minutes ago, AcidBurn98 said:

Oh no did I hurt your feelings. Guess I shouldn’t talk to men who can dish it out but can’t take it back. You can read into my life and tell me how I should or shouldn’t feel about men, and assume I am angry at every man ever. But I respond back with a hint of sarcasm and suddenly that’s too far. Now your fees fees are hurt because I made a little assumption about you back.

Yes and now your gaslighting me, you are now the abuser!

[Majestic12]

3 minutes ago, AcidBurn98 said:

She spelled it out for you. She said she was asked to twerk, told she should screw her co worker, and called slurs. At this point you are cherry picking anything to not have to admit your tech daddy has a horrible work culture. This is my actual final post for the night wanted to respond to this before bed.

Your logic is astounding. So now I can post on Twitter "AcidBurn said I want to have sex with Linus". See how that goes? How easy it is to misinterpret something said off the cuff and out of frustration? 

[post_screen]

3 minutes ago, David_Campbell said:

Yes and now your gaslighting me, you are now the abuser!

Stop trolling. You don't come out as funny or smart

[David_Campbell]

1 minute ago, post_screen said:

Stop trolling. You don't come out as funny or smart

im not, i was making a point! also wasnt talking to you!

[Taf the Ghost]

14 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

Please think about your post for a second. Her testimony is not proof and is so vague in most places - I fully agree with rickyc12s on this because it's a very common thing to happen. People take things out of context all the time and some people have different boundaries or more easily take offense. There's also many degrees of severity depending on how these allegations happened and her vague testimony makes people think the worst.

 

For example I'm still curious what she means with "inappropriately grabbed" for example because that could mean ANYTHING and I think she knows people would suspect the worst. If you grab a colleague by the waist as if to dance, that can be "inappropriate" but this is not what people here are suspecting. They think they grabbed her boobs or ass. 

She was very specific in details about minor stuff, like the special notebook. Though probably because humans do like to fixate on small things that annoy us.

 

Though, basically, everything anyone is going around about is academic. Madison's and much of LMG's future hinges on whether she told the owner of a small-ish company, that has 2 young daughters and is hyper protective about his company's image & PR, that she had been bullied/sexually assaulted/harassed at his company.  And then he completely ignored it, in violation of Canadian Employment Law.

 

There's a reason I keep coming back to "don't do late night Twitter threads". There's no winners here, only damage. 

[Mertrodome]

15 minutes ago, dominikremes said:

Well, I've definitely seen at least 2 of her posts that kinda cancel each other out. First she wrote that she was told something inappropriate and she quit 15 minutes after. In an other twitter post, she was replying to someone who asked how she had the stomach to quit, she wrote, that she started applying to jobs and she accepted an offer and quit. Did she do it in 15 minutes? I mean, an interview usually takes at least 30 minutes to an hour in my experience, soo, I don't really believe her. Think she was just mad for having to do some work. Maybe with some real evidence she can change my mind, but right now, things just don't add up. I mean, it seems pretty unbelievable to have a job offered to you just around when someone tells you something you don't like.

You can have an offer of employment without having accepted it yet. It's entirely possible she'd found something else but didn't make the final decision until that comment was made to her.

 

This isn't the big "aha" moment you seem to think it is.

[post_screen]

2 minutes ago, David_Campbell said:

im not, i was making a point! also wasnt talking to you!

You, my friend, are long past proving a point. Now you are saying stuff for sake of making people angry. Come to think of it, that's what you've been doing the whole time.

[dominikremes]

3 minutes ago, Mertrodome said:

You can have an offer of employment without having accepted it yet. It's entirely possible she'd found something else but didn't make the final decision until that comment was made to her.

 

This isn't the big "aha" moment you seem to think it is.

I mean yes, it could have been, but based on my experience, these offers rarely do last more than a few days. Yes, if she applied to lots of places, than yes, but if I was in a situation that bad, I wouldn't really hesitate to accept an offer that seems fine when I get it. 

 

Edit: Also as I said, multiple things just don't add up to me. If there will be real hard evidence, I can accept that, but I just don't believe it for now. If she wanted to deal with it legal way, a lawyer would tell her the stfu about this on social media until legal action is taken, because publishing things on social media might fuck up her chances. However if her intentions were purely to just harm LMG, it definitely worked. Question is only if it will backfire, or if she's telling the 100% truth

[Diregnoll]

23 minutes ago, dominikremes said:

Well, I've definitely seen at least 2 of her posts that kinda cancel each other out. First she wrote that she was told something inappropriate and she quit 15 minutes after. In an other twitter post, she was replying to someone who asked how she had the stomach to quit, she wrote, that she started applying to jobs and she accepted an offer and quit. Did she do it in 15 minutes? I mean, an interview usually takes at least 30 minutes to an hour in my experience, soo, I don't really believe her. Think she was just mad for having to do some work. Maybe with some real evidence she can change my mind, but right now, things just don't add up. I mean, it seems pretty unbelievable to have a job offered to you just around when someone tells you something you don't like.

 

It might have been a "I would have given 2 weeks notice and worked both jobs had this not happened" sort of a thing?

Having the job lined up might have been a confidence boost to 'fuck this shit I'm out.'

[David_Campbell]

3 minutes ago, post_screen said:

You, my friend, are long past proving a point. Now you are saying stuff for sake of making people angry. Come to think of it, that's what you've been doing the whole time.

half true, i only make angry people more angry to show them how wastefaul anger is. it causes rash decisions and words and has no place in a sitution like this. should you be angry ofc but letting it controi your words is why we have world like this.

 

truth is i dont care what the outcome is, theres much bigger problems in this world and what she went through is nothing to me when compared to the children being expoilted in this world. So if you want to help a real person and make a diffrence in lives ill leave this here for you all, Help a person who never had a chance today https://www.childrenincrossfire.org/

[BigFatTeddy]

41 minutes ago, AcidBurn98 said:

Oh no did I hurt your feelings. Guess I shouldn’t talk to men who can dish it out but can’t take it back. You can read into my life and tell me how I should or shouldn’t feel about men, and assume I am angry at every man ever. But I respond back with a hint of sarcasm and suddenly that’s too far. Now your fees fees are hurt because I made a little assumption about you back.

Whatever you're trying to achieve and however legit your interests are, this is inappropriate, and you're not doing yourself or your mission a favor by this form of communication. The end doesn't justify the means.

[Majestic12]

12 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

She was very specific in details about minor stuff, like the special notebook. Though probably because humans do like to fixate on small things that annoy us.

 

Though, basically, everything anyone is going around about is academic. Madison's and much of LMG's future hinges on whether she told the owner of a small-ish company, that has 2 young daughters and is hyper protective about his company's image & PR, that she had been bullied/sexually assaulted/harassed at his company.  And then he completely ignored it, in violation of Canadian Employment Law.

 

There's a reason I keep coming back to "don't do late night Twitter threads". There's no winners here, only damage. 

The notebook thing was an odd thing to be so specific about which is why it feels so weird how she leaves all the rest incredibly vague. The problem is that you cannot do anything with such vague accusations. At work I have to mediate between workers as well and quite frequently and if one makes an accusation, I need all the detail to be able to figure out in how far they're speaking the truth or embellishing things. If you leave things vague, it means nothing can be done since I won't reprimand someone without knowing EXACTLY what to reprimand them for.

 

I dunno, my gut tells me she was poorly treated but that she's trying to make some things sound worse than they are by keeping them vague.

[post_screen]

2 minutes ago, David_Campbell said:

half true, i only make angry people more angry to show them how wastefaul anger is. it causes rash decisions and words and has no place in a sitution like this. should you be angry ofc but letting it controi your words is why we have world like this.

 

truth is i dont care what the outcome is, theres much bigger problems in this world and what she went through is nothing to me when compared to the children being expoilted in this world. So if you want to help a real person and make a diffrence in lives ill leave this here for you all, Help a person who never had a chance today https://www.childrenincrossfire.org/

While I admire the cause you claim to support with your actions here and I somewhat agree what you have said, that's not the best way to go about it. Yes, there are levels to bad things that people experience in life, and my day being ruined by me cutting myself while cooking is nowhere near as bad as the way some people are being exploited in awful ways. But it still sucks for me at that moment.

 

You should never disregard someone's fears and pain as being small and less then other person's. There is time and place to advocate for everything. Chose it carefully and don't hurt others in that process

[S_g]

12 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

 I need all the detail to be able to figure out in how far they're speaking the truth or embellishing things. If you leave things vague, it means nothing can be done since I won't reprimand someone without knowing EXACTLY what to reprimand them for.

 

You're not the one doing the reprimanding thou in this case.  If she started naming names publicly (or gave enough hints for people to work it out) she opens up a whole other can of worms around defamation.  Start dropping too many details, it's only a small building and company, people will work it out. 

The leaked audio the day after she left is pretty chilling in hindsight as a union rep.  

Go have a off the record chat, don't tell management, there is an "anonymous" form we control but don't advertise that you can use. 

 

36 minutes ago, dominikremes said:

. If there will be real hard evidence, I can accept that

Exactly what "hard evidence" would appease you ? And how do you suggest that be obtained in a workplace ?

[Dragg3r]

On 8/16/2023 at 8:59 AM, Dangerbone said:

Those are all important things to consider. I'm trying to avoid my knee-jerk bias against spurious MeToo tweets because she may have something of merit to say. Though receipts would make her account more believable.

That's the point. until 30 minutes ago I would have told anyone that I think Linus as well as Madison are pretty trustworthy people if you ask my gut.

 

there have been way too many cases of false allegations with and after the #metoo movement so it could be "just another grab at attention.

also, as someone else put it " Tech men abusing a young woman. That is about as surprising as winter in Canada." which is a valid argument to consider too.

so, since my gut is clearly in a logical contradiction because I neither think she is lying nor do I think that if that really happened, Linus wouldn't have stepped in sooner or later and corrected this, I will sit back and wait for more information. that's the only thing I can do anyways without making a fool out of myself and believe either without proof, because trust is a rare resource in this matter now

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Majestic12 said:

The notebook thing was an odd thing to be so specific about which is why it feels so weird how she leaves all the rest incredibly vague. The problem is that you cannot do anything with such vague accusations. At work I have to mediate between workers as well and quite frequently and if one makes an accusation, I need all the detail to be able to figure out in how far they're speaking the truth or embellishing things. If you leave things vague, it means nothing can be done since I won't reprimand someone without knowing EXACTLY what to reprimand them for.

 

I dunno, my gut tells me she was poorly treated but that she's trying to make some things sound worse than they are by keeping them vague.

She's technically both a social media manager and a "face" streamer. She's experienced and skilled in the Social Media space. She also made the thread in chunks, taking time between parts, so it was not just stream of consciousness tweeting.  Which also means not naming the people in her section that caused her trouble was intentional. 

 

As I keep repeating, this isn't going to end well for anyone.

[Mertrodome]

5 minutes ago, dominikremes said:

I mean yes, it could have been, but based on my experience, these offers rarely do last more than a few days. Yes, if she applied to lots of places, than yes, but if I was in a situation that bad, I wouldn't really hesitate to accept an offer that seems fine when I get it

You said you don't believe her because interviews take in excess of 15 minutes. I pointed out a very simple explanation as to how she could've had an interview before this point. You're now changing your theory to be about how most employers wouldn't have waited more than two days.

 

Neither of us have any idea on how it went down, obviously. But to dismiss it on the grounds of "interviews take more than 15 minutes" and then to change that to "I wouldn't really hesitate" just sounds like you're actively trying to find reasons this is her caught in a lie, despite there being plenty of totally valid reasons the two posts can both be true. Hell, maybe she'd accepted it but hadn't put in her letter yet or worked out the specifics, and the comment simply pushed her to say "screw it, I'm just quitting right now".

 

Maybe she didn't, maybe the two are contradictory. My point is just that I don't think there's enough there to make the assumption that she's definitely lying and that both can't be true simultaneously.

[R3L__1990]

19 hours ago, dago_mcj said:

She said a manager once told her to "calm her tits".  Here's a quick challenge. Find who at LMG has said "calm your tits" the most.  I can only find one and he works on the writing team.

End my suffering and give a hint as to who you are refering to please as I cannot work this one out. I have one person in my mind but the job title dosent fit the name.

 

I dont particularly have a horse in this race, I am not on the forums actively but I do lurk, I have watched LMG since maybe 2016/2017 and enjoyed the content. This thread has been a hell of a read.

 

If Madison's claims are in any way true then she should certinaly seek legal help and I hope she finds justice but at the oppoiste end of the scale it could well be either made up (or a couple of interactions that have grew many legs and arms) or it has been banter completley taken out of context and possibly been sorted had these indivduals took her more seriously when she was trying to speak with them, management belittling staff is not uncommon unfortunately and it should not stand in any workplace but reality is we are far far away from a world where it will never exist. 

 

I am not saying this is OK even if it was banter taken out of context either by the way its not acceptable for anyone to feel uncomfartable at work, where I come from we rip on everyone and anything all day everyday men and woman, so its easy to fall into the trap of ohh its fine when everyone else feels the same way in a working enviroment.

 

The workload claims I do struggle with, she was not expecting the job to be a walk in the park surely, it seems a fun place on camera but so does every Youtube video or TV show/movie, there is serious work going on in the background. Her first video on LTT she was the one cracking all the "Jokes" which is a fair thing to point out based on her claims also.

 

LMG need to pull their socks up for various reasons brought to light but Madisons claims have also came at the worst time and my fear is that if LMG ignore it which they are totally in their right to do until Madison files a proper claim with the relative people then any work LMG do now to turn around the other issues brought to light will end up being over shadowed by not taking this head on and addressing it properly as it will be known as the place not to work if you dont want sexually harrased which in my mind still seems crazy to think if true.

[Majestic12]

2 minutes ago, Mertrodome said:

You said you don't believe her because interviews take in excess of 15 minutes. I pointed out a very simple explanation as to how she could've had an interview before this point. You're now changing your theory to be about how most employers wouldn't have waited more than two days.

 

Neither of us have any idea on how it went down, obviously. But to dismiss it on the grounds of "interviews take more than 15 minutes" and then to change that to "I wouldn't really hesitate" just sounds like you're actively trying to find reasons this is her caught in a lie, despite there being plenty of totally valid reasons the two posts can both be true. Hell, maybe she'd accepted it but hadn't put in her letter yet or worked out the specifics, and the comment simply pushed her to say "screw it, I'm just quitting right now".

 

Maybe she didn't, maybe the two are contradictory. My point is just that I don't think there's enough there to make the assumption that she's definitely lying and that both can't be true simultaneously.

The fact she was already looking for another job doesn't seem weird to me at all considering she felt ill at ease. At one time I was so fed up with my previous boss I had planned a job interview. It makes sense that she was debating about changing jobs because LTT IS a huge spring board. That remark probably pushed her over the edge.