Need some help with overclocking RAM

[jasondxe]

Hi everyone, 

 

Looking for some help and advice please.

 

I have an Asus bios which I am trying to clock using DOCP to go to 3200mhz. The most I can get out of it is 2666mhz on the 4x slots. anything higher the machine starts boot looping until the safe mode is triggered and it reverts to 2133mhz.

 

I am new the the AI tweaker and wondered if someone could help me with the timings and voltage. Looks like it won't let me go higher than 1.8v but I am probably doing something wrong.

 

Any advice or guidance would be really appreciated. 

 

P.s.i have added some photos of my BIOS

 

Thank you very much

 

RYZEN 5 2600.

4x 8GB DDR4 3200mhz Corsair Vengeance RGB.

ASUS PRIME B450M-A II, AMD AM4.

Radeon RX590

[Applefreak]

6 minutes ago, jasondxe said:

Hi everyone, 

 

Looking for some help and advice please.

 

I have an Asus bios which I am trying to clock using DOCP to go to 3200mhz. The most I can get out of it is 2666mhz on the 4x slots. anything higher the machine starts boot looping until the safe mode is triggered and it reverts to 2133mhz.

 

I am new the the AI tweaker and wondered if someone could help me with the timings and voltage. Looks like it won't let me go higher than 1.8v but I am probably doing something wrong.

 

Any advice or guidance would be really appreciated. 

 

P.s.i have added some photos of my BIOS

 

Thank you very much

 

RYZEN 5 2600.

4x 8GB DDR4 3200mhz Corsair Vengeance RGB.

ASUS PRIME B450M-A II, AMD AM4.

Radeon RX590

Your memory should run 3200 with XMP by default. Why are messing around with voltages and DOCP?

[Shooterdude34]

8 minutes ago, jasondxe said:

Hi everyone, 

 

Looking for some help and advice please.

 

I have an Asus bios which I am trying to clock using DOCP to go to 3200mhz. The most I can get out of it is 2666mhz on the 4x slots. anything higher the machine starts boot looping until the safe mode is triggered and it reverts to 2133mhz.

 

I am new the the AI tweaker and wondered if someone could help me with the timings and voltage. Looks like it won't let me go higher than 1.8v but I am probably doing something wrong.

 

Any advice or guidance would be really appreciated. 

 

P.s.i have added some photos of my BIOS

 

Thank you very much

 

RYZEN 5 2600.

4x 8GB DDR4 3200mhz Corsair Vengeance RGB.

ASUS PRIME B450M-A II, AMD AM4.

Radeon RX590

holy crap just posting real fast to say DO NOT USE 1.8 VOLTS!!!! you will fry something. drop it to like a max of 1.4 for now. im formulating a longer and better response. just set docp, leave the actual manual frequency and everything else to auto. the docp is supposed to auto apply all the settings you need. if it still fails to boot, loosen the primary timings. this would look like going from 18-18-18-18-36 to like 20-20-20-20-38

 

[jasondxe]

2 minutes ago, Shooterdude34 said:

holy crap just posting real fast to say DO NOT USE 1.8 VOLTS!!!! you will fry something. drop it to like a max of 1.4 for now. im formulating a longer and better response

 

Doing that now thank you!

[RONOTHAN##]

12 minutes ago, jasondxe said:

Looks like it won't let me go higher than 1.8v but I am probably doing something wrong.

Don't set the voltage to 1.8V, there are a lot of memory chips that will get killed if you set the voltage that high, even for temporary purposes. You need to figure out what the memory IC on your sticks is before figuring what to set the memory voltage, though 1.8V is going to be way too high for any you'd run 24/7. 

 

1.65V is the max I'd set the high voltage capable memory chips to for long term operation assuming there was active cooling, most of the time I'd stick to 1.5V as there's rarely any noticeable performance benefit from going higher, and there's a couple memory chips where you want to leave it at 1.35V and not raise it in the slightest, as going above that will either lower the life span or cause more memory issues than it helps. For the time being, leave this at 1.35V and move onto other things. 

 

OK, onto actually trying to overclock this past 2666. I will preface this by saying Ryzen 2000 did not do very well in 4x8GB configs, so getting something like 3200+ on 4 DIMMs might not be possible depending on how good/bad your CPU is. The two settings you want to mess with to try and get it to boot higher frequencies are the SOC voltage and ProcODT. The SOC voltage is what powers the memory controller, higher is usually better with this though I wouldn't feel comfortable setting it above 1.15V on a Ryzen 2000 series chip for long term use. ProcODT is the resistance the CPU has when communicating with the RAM sticks, and this sweet spots depending on a number of different factors from the BIOS revision to what your CPU likes. Try a bunch of values and see if any of them help it boot higher frequencies more consistently. 

[Shooterdude34]

Just now, jasondxe said:

Doing that now thank you!

i have edited my initial response to include some additional info. using this post, i will link a guide that i used to start learning memory overclocking. this topic is not something to take lightly, you can corrupt your files and even windows install if things go wrong. take your time to learn the information needed to safely proceed

 

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

 

TestMem5_v0.12_Many_configs_repackaged.zip

 

when using TestMem5, or TM5, opening it will start the test automatically. you can select "load config and exit" and pick a config file to run from the bin folder. id suggest PCB Destroyer. while the test is running, 99% of system memory will be unusable, leaving the pc unusable for now. you MUST click exit to stop the test, just closing the window doesnt do it.

[jasondxe]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Don't set the voltage to 1.8V, there are a lot of memory chips that will get killed if you set the voltage that high, even for temporary purposes. You need to figure out what the memory IC on your sticks is before figuring what to set the memory voltage, though 1.8V is going to be way too high for any you'd run 24/7. 

 

1.65V is the max I'd set the high voltage capable memory chips to for long term operation assuming there was active cooling, most of the time I'd stick to 1.5V as there's rarely any noticeable performance benefit from going higher, and there's a couple memory chips where you want to leave it at 1.35V and not raise it in the slightest. For the time being, leave this at 1.35V and move onto other things. 

 

OK, onto actually trying to overclock this past 2666. I will preface this by saying Ryzen 2000 did not do very well in 4x8GB configs, so getting something like 3200+ on 4 DIMMs might not be possible depending on how good/bad your CPU is. The two settings you want to mess with to try and get it to boot higher frequencies are the SOC voltage and ProcODT. The SOC voltage is what powers the memory controller, higher is usually better with this though I wouldn't feel comfortable setting it above 1.15V on a Ryzen 2000 series chip for long term use. ProcODT is the resistance the CPU has when communicating with the RAM sticks, and this sweet spots depending on a number of different factors from the BIOS revision to what your CPU likes. Try a bunch of values and see if any of them help it boot higher frequencies more consistently. 

Thank you, that's very thorough and extremely helpful, I have turned the memory down i set it back to auto and running at 1.25v I will look at these settings now. Again thank you for taking the time to write that.

[Beerzerker]

9 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Don't set the voltage to 1.8V, there are a lot of memory chips that will get killed if you set the voltage that high, even for temporary purposes. You need to figure out what the memory IC on your sticks is before figuring what to set the memory voltage, though 1.8V is going to be way too high for any you'd run 24/7. 

 

1.65V is the max I'd set the high voltage capable memory chips to for long term operation assuming there was active cooling, most of the time I'd stick to 1.5V as there's rarely any noticeable performance benefit from going higher, and there's a couple memory chips where you want to leave it at 1.35V and not raise it in the slightest. For the time being, leave this at 1.35V and move onto other things. 

 

OK, onto actually trying to overclock this past 2666. I will preface this by saying Ryzen 2000 did not do very well in 4x8GB configs, so getting something like 3200+ on 4 DIMMs might not be possible depending on how good/bad your CPU is. The two settings you want to mess with to try and get it to boot higher frequencies are the SOC voltage and ProcODT. The SOC voltage is what powers the memory controller, higher is usually better with this though I wouldn't feel comfortable setting it above 1.15V on a Ryzen 2000 series chip for long term use. ProcODT is the resistance the CPU has when communicating with the RAM sticks, and this sweet spots depending on a number of different factors from the BIOS revision to what your CPU likes. Try a bunch of values and see if any of them help it boot higher frequencies more consistently. 

I agree - The chip you have (2600X) probrably (I stress probrably here) can't reliably handle 3200 the way you want it to, I've had problems with my 2700X hitting 3200 before and had to settle for 2800 when I was using it as my daily since that's all it really wanted to do with any reliability.

I'm not saying it absolutely can't but the likelyhood of it doing so isn't that good. I will say the board and BIOS you have makes a difference because even though the 2700X didn't want to run my sticks at 3200 in my x470 Tachi Ultimate, it would in my MSI x570 MEG ACE with the same sticks, timings and so on.

You'll have to experiment and see what you can come up with and go from there.

I also say the same  - DO NOT set RAM voltage for 1.8v's!!!!!
That's more or less XOC territory (World Records) and I'm sure you aren't set up for that!

 

1.55v's with active cooling (Fan on them) is the absolute max and even then that's pushing it quite a bit.
No more than 1.45v's for any regular desktop RAM should ever be used so the sticks don't fold and die on you, not to mention higher voltages are for higher RAM frequencies too and you're talking about only 3200 here.

 

1.30v's should be enough to get that.

[jasondxe]

3 minutes ago, Shooterdude34 said:

i have edited my initial response to include some additional info. using this post, i will link a guide that i used to start learning memory overclocking. this topic is not something to take lightly, you can corrupt your files and even windows install if things go wrong. take your time to learn the information needed to safely proceed

 

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

 

TestMem5_v0.12_Many_configs_repackaged.zip 36.53 kB · 0 downloads

 

when using TestMem5, or TM5, opening it will start the test automatically. you can select "load config and exit" and pick a config file to run from the bin folder. id suggest PCB Destroyer. while the test is running, 99% of system memory will be unusable, leaving the pc unusable for now. you MUST click exit to stop the test, just closing the window doesnt do it.

Thanks dude, I will do some more reading up, I have only really got into the hardware space again recently and it's seems that alot more to learn than I thought.

 

Thanks again for the recommendations and the quick advice which saved my machine. As money a bit tight so much appreciated. 

 

I have been looking at this (link below at ryzen 5 3600): as I was thinking would it be worth it, as I only have a rather basic setup, as prior to this I tried just upgrading an old HP machine. 

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-ryzen-5-3600-am4-zen-2-6-core-12-thread-36ghz-42ghz-turbo-32mb-l3-pcie-40-65w-retail-no-cooler

[jasondxe]

3 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

I agree - The chip you have (2600X) probrably (I stress probrably here) can't reliably handle 3200 the way you want it to, I've had problems with my 2700X hitting 3200 before and had to settle for 2800 when I was using it as my daily since that's all it really wanted to do with any reliability.

I'm not saying it absolutely can't but the likelyhood of it doing so isn't that good. I will say the board and BIOS you have makes a difference because even though the 2700X didn't want to run my sticks at 3200 in my x470 Tachi Ultimate, it would in my MSI x570 MEG ACE with the same sticks, timings and so on.

You'll have to experiment and see what you can come up with and go from there.

I also say the same  - DO NOT set RAM voltage for 1.8v's!!!!!
That's more or less XOC territory (World Records) and I'm sure you aren't set up for that!

 

1.55v's with active cooling (Fan on them) is the absolute max and even then that's pushing it quite a bit.
No more than 1.45v's for any regular desktop RAM should ever be used so the sticks don't fold and die on you, not to mention higher voltages are for higher RAM frequencies too and you're talking about only 3200 here.

 

1.30v's should be enough to get that.

Thanks Berserker, I think I will settle for maybe selling this setup and buying a bit more of better setup, as all I am doing is emulation, some gaming and virtual machines whilst doing my CCNA and Power shell Scripting courses and I am not knowledgable enough in this area to be messing about. 

[191x7]

There are two newer Bios versions.

 

Do not run 1.8V, that was ddr2 voltage! 

 

Zen+ (similar to Zen) has a weak memory controller. Those often can't run more than 2933 stable and 2666 is just fine for those.

If you want your RAM to run 3000+ or the 3200, upgrade the CPU. The 5600 and 5700X are cheap now.

[jasondxe]

1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

There are two newer Bios versions.

 

Do not run 1.8V, that was ddr2 voltage! 

 

Zen+ (similar to Zen) has a weak memory controller. Those often can't run more than 2933 stable and 2666 is just fine for those.

If you want your RAM to run 3000+ or the 3200, upgrade the CPU. The 5600 and 5700X are cheap now.

Thank you

[jasondxe]

2 hours ago, Applefreak said:

Your memory should run 3200 with XMP by default. Why are messing around with voltages and DOCP?

There is no XMP setting or am I being silly

[Beerzerker]

1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

There are two newer Bios versions.

 

Do not run 1.8V, that was ddr2 voltage! 

 

Zen+ (similar to Zen) has a weak memory controller. Those often can't run more than 2933 stable and 2666 is just fine for those.

If you want your RAM to run 3000+ or the 3200, upgrade the CPU. The 5600 and 5700X are cheap now.

The "3" series probrably can because both of mine (3600x and 3950x) can do 3200 with ease.
 

 

2 hours ago, jasondxe said:

Thanks Berserker, I think I will settle for maybe selling this setup and buying a bit more of better setup, as all I am doing is emulation, some gaming and virtual machines whilst doing my CCNA and Power shell Scripting courses and I am not knowledgable enough in this area to be messing about. 

If wanting to rebuild the setup, I would suggest at least a B550 or x570 board and one of the "3" series or higher chips to get 3200 or more reliably.
Stay away from ASRock boards, those (For some reason-??) do not want to clock RAM up as well as others will.