5900x vs 5800x3D for the same price

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

I have a 5800x but it has the Ryzen usb dropout issue. Literally tried every fix pretty sure it's just a CPU io die issue. I want to give am4 one more shot here.

 

I think the 5800x3D is a little overblown I mean you only see gains with a 3090 at 1080p in certain games. CSGO takes a huge hit even. At 1440p the difference is more like 80fps instead of 75. I think in the real world it just makes more sense to get the 5900x. I'm more worried about going form a single ccx to a dual ccx. What are your thoughts?

[GuiltySpark_]

I think spending money on a new 5900x or any high end non-X3D AM4 chip in 2023 makes little to no sense. If you're going to upgrade, the 5800x3D is not going to be huge from a 5800x but if you're just trying to get away from that specific CPU.. well there you go. Frankly I'd save your money, update your BIOS and wait till you can jump on Zen4. 

[Tan3l6]

I'd not swap. The difference is just tad larger than marginal. 7800X3D with a motherboard and RAM change would be more worth it, but obviously more work and money.

[PDifolco]

5800X3D is the one that will give you some more perf at 1080p, a 5900X performs identically to a 5800X in gaming (with 2% margin...)

Why would dual CCX be an issue ?? To the contrary it makes the chip easier to cool

Really the only advantage of a 5900X would be in productivity software

 

 

[YoungBlade]

Ryzen 5000 is pretty rock solid when it comes to the dual CCD chips. The 5900X and 5950X basically never lose to the 5800X.

 

That said, a 5900X isn't really a meaningful upgrade from a 5800X. You'd either need to go all the way to the 5950X to double your cores or jump ship to AM5 or LGA 1700 IMO. And if you are just gaming, jumping ship to a new platform is pretty much the only option - the 5950X is no better for gaming than the 5800X. The 5800X3D is a side-grade in some ways, as while it is generally 20% faster for gaming, it does lose to the 5800X in a couple of titles.

[freeagent]

Everyone loves X3D for 1080p.. but who plays at 1080p?

[Tan3l6]

15 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Everyone loves X3D for 1080p.. but who plays at 1080p?

General public. They know nothing.

True that at 1440p and higher the performance numbers rely on GPU.

[YoungBlade]

Just now, freeagent said:

Everyone loves X3D for 1080p.. but who plays at 1080p?

Most gamers play at 1080p - it still has 4x the usage compared to 1440p and 4K on the Steam Hardware Survey.

 

The real question is "who plays at 1080p with a GPU powerful enough for an X3D chip to show a meaningful difference in performance?" and the answer there is "very few gamers."

[steelfoxy]

27 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

General public. They know nothing.

True that at 1440p and higher the performance numbers rely on GPU.

Maybe we can't afford 1440p screens  just saying

[tkitch]

going from a 5800x to an x3d is a very small upgrade, and not worth the $$$.

 

save it for zen 4 or something newer.

[freeagent]

I have a 5600X, 5900X, and 58X3D.. I prefer my 5900X.

 

Edit:

 

To be fair, they are all highly tuned

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, freeagent said:

Everyone loves X3D for 1080p.. but who plays at 1080p?

Even at 1440p the frametime benefit is still there, and its still quite IPC and cache bounded in certain titles. But yeah when it is above 1080p you can do a coin toss.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

To clarify this isn't even about upgrading performance wise it's to fix my USB issues I mentioned. I'm well aware the 5800x performance and how small gains will be but if I can snag a SLIGHT upgrading and fix my usb ports it's a win win. I see no reason to ditch AM4 so soon.

 

I mentioned ccx because the 5800x is single and the dual 5900x ccx results in slower performance in some games.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

1 hour ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I think spending money on a new 5900x or any high end non-X3D AM4 chip in 2023 makes little to no sense. If you're going to upgrade, the 5800x3D is not going to be huge from a 5800x but if you're just trying to get away from that specific CPU.. well there you go. Frankly I'd save your money, update your BIOS and wait till you can jump on Zen4. 

 

40 minutes ago, tkitch said:

going from a 5800x to an x3d is a very small upgrade, and not worth the $$$.

 

save it for zen 4 or something newer.

 

1 hour ago, YoungBlade said:

Ryzen 5000 is pretty rock solid when it comes to the dual CCD chips. The 5900X and 5950X basically never lose to the 5800X.

 

That said, a 5900X isn't really a meaningful upgrade from a 5800X. You'd either need to go all the way to the 5950X to double your cores or jump ship to AM5 or LGA 1700 IMO. And if you are just gaming, jumping ship to a new platform is pretty much the only option - the 5950X is no better for gaming than the 5800X. The 5800X3D is a side-grade in some ways, as while it is generally 20% faster for gaming, it does lose to the 5800X in a couple of titles.

I literally can't even use a flash drive most days with this cpu

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

To clarify this isn't even about upgrading performance wise it's to fix my USB issues I mentioned. I'm well aware the 5800x performance and how small gains will be but if I can snag a SLIGHT upgrading and fix my usb ports it's a win win. I see no reason to ditch AM4 so soon.

Have you done any troubleshooting? Latest BIOS? This is more than likely a motherboard issue, not a CPU issue. 

2 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

 

I mentioned ccx because the 5800x is single and the dual 5900x ccx results in slower performance in some games.

As explained above, that "slower performance in games" is extremely relative. You'd be unlikely to ever notice. At the time of release, 5900x (the one that would be slower, theoretically) was slightly faster than 5800x in game benchmarks. Regardless its so close that it doesn't matter. 

[tkitch]

1 minute ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

 

 

I literally can't even use a flash drive most days with this cpu

That's not a normal issue, so you've either got a super-hosed windows install, or have other hardware problems to troubleshoot.  

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

Just now, GuiltySpark_ said:

Have you done any troubleshooting? Latest BIOS? This is more than likely a motherboard issue, not a CPU issue. 

Trust me I wrote the book on this. It's a cpu i/o issue that was attempted to be software patched with bios. I know more about this issue that 99% of people. When AMD addressed it they refused to say what it was even when asked. I seen countless people fix the issue with new year 5000 cpus with same board.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

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[YoungBlade]

7 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

Trust me I wrote the book on this. It's a cpu i/o issue that was attempted to be software patched with bios. I know more about this issue that 99% of people. When AMD addressed it they refused to say what it was even when asked. I seen countless people fix the issue with new year 5000 cpus with same board.

If you just want a newer Ryzen 5000 series CPU, then why not just get a 5700X for $175 and use PBO to turn it into a 5800X. That'll give you the same gaming performance as a 5900X for half the price.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

1 minute ago, YoungBlade said:

If you just want a newer Ryzen 5000 series CPU, then why not just get a 5700X for $175 and use PBO to turn it into a 5800X. That'll give you the same gaming performance as a 5900X for half the price.

Definitely sounds like a good choice too. My 5800x is already running pbo so if the 5700x ends up being a dud overclocker I'll probably take a small hit guess it depends on how much I want to save $100

[cmndr]

5800x3D for Stellaris, Cities Skylines and Factorio
5900x for MT heavy workloads. 

Also be aware that in a decent chunk of cases you can find 12700k + motherboard combos on sale for a similar price to the 5900x and it'll get more or less the best of both worlds. 

Here's a slickdeal search: 
https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?q=12700k&searcharea=deals&searchin=first&isUserSearch=1

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

7 hours ago, freeagent said:

I have a 5600X, 5900X, and 58X3D.. I prefer my 5900X.

 

Edit:

 

To be fair, they are all highly tuned

Why do you like the 5900x the most? 

[freeagent]

9 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

Why do you like the 5900x the most? 

I am not a hardcore gamer, but I do like to play games. But my 5900X boosts to 5150, much better than 4450 for daily stuff.. and I fold and run WCG, so the cores are good for that. 

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

9 hours ago, cmndr said:

5800x3D for Stellaris, Cities Skylines and Factorio
5900x for MT heavy workloads. 

Also be aware that in a decent chunk of cases you can find 12700k + motherboard combos on sale for a similar price to the 5900x and it'll get more or less the best of both worlds. 

Here's a slickdeal search: 
https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?q=12700k&searcharea=deals&searchin=first&isUserSearch=1

Hmm I wish microcenter had a 13th gen i5 combo out. Rumors do show that 14th gen will use LGA 1700 which is nice, could pick up a discounted flagship 14th gen in a couple years if that is true. Only con is Microcenters combo boards are poo poo this time which hurts potential of snagging a used i9 or something. 

[starsmine]

5 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

Hmm I wish microcenter had a 13th gen i5 combo out. Rumors do show that 14th gen will use LGA 1700 which is nice, could pick up a discounted flagship 14th gen in a couple years if that is true. Only con is Microcenters combo boards are poo poo this time which hurts potential of snagging a used i9 or something. 

Yup, 14th gen dekstop is a raptor-lake refresh, not a new gen, so yea turns out 1700 isn't a dead platform after all. Meteor lake for consumer desktop got pushed and or canceled which would have been on a new socket.  Should see silicon quality improvements, so more efficient chips, but dont expect IPC improvements.