m.2 or hdd or ssd

[Joker-_-Glitch]

what is better : hdd ssd m.2 for files games win etc (1tb or more)

[Fasauceome]

M.2 SSDs are good for the convenience, they are nice and small. But, for the general gaming experience, NVMe doesn't make a huge difference. I still have lots of games on SATA SSDs, and also old hard drives because they are very cheap. 

 

I recommend a high quality SSD for your windows boot and important programs, and cheap bulk storage for everything else. A 3TB hard drive is easy to come by, and a 1TB SATA SSD makes for good game storage for more modern games.

 

Extra note: M.2 SSDs come in two kinds, SATA and NVMe. NVMe is faster but usually more expensive, and SATA M.2 drives are pretty much the same as SATA 2.5" drives, just a lot smaller. For the average gamer, I would not sweat the difference too much.

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

what is better : hdd ssd m.2 for files games win etc (1tb or more)

M.2 is an SSD.  So you're really wanting to know if an HDD, SATA or NVMe drive is better.

 

@Fasauceome explained it well.

 

 

[leclod]

I'd go with a cheap 2TB M.2 NVMe drive (around 80USD)

[Joker-_-Glitch]

4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

M.2 SSDs are good for the convenience, they are nice and small. But, for the general gaming experience, NVMe doesn't make a huge difference. I still have lots of games on SATA SSDs, and also old hard drives because they are very cheap. 

 

I recommend a high quality SSD for your windows boot and important programs, and cheap bulk storage for everything else. A 3TB hard drive is easy to come by, and a 1TB SATA SSD makes for good game storage for more modern games.

 

Extra note: M.2 SSDs come in two kinds, SATA and NVMe. NVMe is faster but usually more expensive, and SATA M.2 drives are pretty much the same as SATA 2.5" drives, just a lot smaller. For the average gamer, I would not sweat the difference too much.

I was thinking of getting these two, one for games etc and the other for WIN. so I wonder if they are good ?

 

SSD 1TB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/1000G, M.2 NVME PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s os 

 

SSD 250GB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/250G, M.2/NVMe PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Gold_Glitch said:

I was thinking of getting these two, one for games etc and the other for WIN. so I wonder if they are good ?

 

SSD 1TB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/1000G, M.2 NVME PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s os 

 

SSD 250GB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/250G, M.2/NVMe PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s

Just get a 2TB Team Group MP34 for ~$103 and call it a day. Or two 1TBs for ~$50 each if you want your games on a separate drive for organization's sake. PCIe 3.0 drive, about as fast as those kingstons are or slightly faster, great TBW endurance rating and 5 year warranty. 

[Joker-_-Glitch]

8 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

M.2 is an SSD.  So you're really wanting to know if an HDD, SATA or NVMe drive is better.

 

@Fasauceome explained it well.

 

 

that I am interested in which is better to take from those three

[Joker-_-Glitch]

1 minute ago, Zando_ said:

Just get a 2TB Team Group MP34 for ~$103 and call it a day. Or two 1TBs for ~$50 each if you want your games on a separate drive for organization's sake. PCIe 3.0 drive, about as fast as those kingstons are or slightly faster, great TBW endurance rating and 5 year warranty. 

can I connect the gen 4 m.2 to the gen 3 slot, will it work and how will it behave?

 

5 year in US but im not from US sady

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Gold_Glitch said:

can I connect the gen 4 m.2 to the gen 3 slot, will it work and how will it behave?

PCIe is back and forwards compatible so they should just work. You might need to manually set speed in the BIOS though. If you don't have Gen 4 slots there's 0 point to getting Gen 4 drives to begin with though, it's just added expense for no reason (unless you are about to upgrade to a 4.0 capable platform). 

[Joker-_-Glitch]

3 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

PCIe is back and forwards compatible so they should just work. You might need to manually set speed in the BIOS though. If you don't have Gen 4 slots there's 0 point to getting Gen 4 drives to begin with though, it's just added expense for no reason (unless you are about to upgrade to a 4.0 capable platform). 

I plan to upgrade my pc from i5 4690k 1070ti to 12400f, b660, and with that m.2 (of course everything new except gpu)

(that's why I'm wondering what's better hdd or m.2)

[Fasauceome]

13 minutes ago, Gold_Glitch said:

I was thinking of getting these two, one for games etc and the other for WIN. so I wonder if they are good ?

 

SSD 1TB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/1000G, M.2 NVME PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s os 

 

SSD 250GB KINGSTON NV2 SNV2S/250G, M.2/NVMe PCIe 4.0, 2280, maks do 3500/2100 MB/s

Getting two different NVMe drives isn't a great idea, one NVMe drive and one cheap and large SATA SSD is preferable. That way you get a lot more storage space.

[Zando_]

Just now, Gold_Glitch said:

I plan to upgrade my pc from i5 4690k 1070ti to 12400f, b660, and with that m.2 (of course everything new except gpu)

(that's why I'm wondering what's better hdd or m.2)

In that case, as far as speeds/being a decent drive goes: good PCIe 4.0 NVMe > good PCIe 3.0 NVMe > meh 4.0 NVMe > meh 3.0 NVMe > good SATA SSD > meh SATA SSD > HDD. 

 

If you can only afford meh 4.0s, just get a good 3.0 for the same price, they'll have more consistent performance. Cheap drives tend to drop off a cliff after the cache fills up. 

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

Getting two different NVMe drives isn't a great idea, one NVMe drive and one cheap and large SATA SSD is preferable. That way you get a lot more storage space.

Not always. The 1TB and 2TB TeamGroup MP34 is as cheap or cheaper on the US market than the MX500 (my go-to well priced, high quality SATA SSD) with better specs and much better performance. The only real reason for a SATA SSD is if you don't have the M.2 slots free, or in your market they are still significantly cheaper. 

[Joker-_-Glitch]

4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Getting two different NVMe drives isn't a great idea, one NVMe drive and one cheap and large SATA SSD is preferable. That way you get a lot more storage space.

nvme 1tb and ssd (sata ssd) 1tb cost the same, so isn't it maybe better to take nvme for games and ssd (sata ssd) for Win or should I go the other way around

[Joker-_-Glitch]

11 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Getting two different NVMe drives isn't a great idea, one NVMe drive and one cheap and large SATA SSD is preferable. That way you get a lot more storage space.

but both are from the same manufacturer, only one is 1TB and the other is 250GB(kingston pcle gen 4.0)

[Brando212]

some good points in this thread but for me personally I'd say if you have the extra m.2 slots on your mobo then go that route; just for the fact that you won't have to manage extra cables. Plus it futureproofs you better for DirectStorage advancements and such.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

8 minutes ago, Brando212 said:

some good points in this thread but for me personally I'd say if you have the extra m.2 slots on your mobo then go that route; just for the fact that you won't have to manage extra cables. Plus it futureproofs you better for DirectStorage advancements and such.

true

[flibberdipper]

5 hours ago, Zando_ said:

Just get a 2TB Team Group MP34 for ~$103 and call it a day. Or two 1TBs for ~$50 each if you want your games on a separate drive for organization's sake. PCIe 3.0 drive, about as fast as those kingstons are or slightly faster, great TBW endurance rating and 5 year warranty. 

As someone with a 4TB MP34, a 256GB MP33, and a 128GB MP33 they are fantastic little drives, especially for the money, and I will simp for them at any available chance.

[Lurking]

6 hours ago, Gold_Glitch said:

nvme 1tb and ssd (sata ssd) 1tb cost the same, so isn't it maybe better to take nvme for games and ssd (sata ssd) for Win or should I go the other way around

Price out a good 2TB NVME and you see it will be cheaper than 2 smaller SSD. And large SSD tend to be faster and last longer. And you don't run out of m.2 ports if you use fewer larger drives.

 

You can create partitions for OS and data etc 

 

In 2023 and 2 TB, HDD really makes no sense. SATA SSD also seems pointless since they cost as much And cables = aarrgh.

 

If your MB doesn't have m 2, get a PCIe bracket with m.2

[sodapone]

I'd personally go for an M.2 NVMe SSD in case DirectStorage shapes up to actually be worth a damn in the coming years. You generally won't be replacing storage drives as often as other parts in your PC, so a little futureproofing can actually be valid in this situation.

 

That said, the current situation is that pretty much all games will run about as fast off a SATA SSD as they would an M.2 NVMe SSD, and the only DirectStorage game on the market right now is Forspoken, which doesn't see noticeably faster loading times from it. So as of right now, M.2 doesn't make all that much sense.

 

HDDs are just fine for smaller games--they're also good if you wanna store other things on your PC that don't need to load so quickly, like pictures, videos, or music files.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

6 hours ago, sodapone said:

I'd personally go for an M.2 NVMe SSD in case DirectStorage shapes up to actually be worth a damn in the coming years. You generally won't be replacing storage drives as often as other parts in your PC, so a little futureproofing can actually be valid in this situation.

 

That said, the current situation is that pretty much all games will run about as fast off a SATA SSD as they would an M.2 NVMe SSD, and the only DirectStorage game on the market right now is Forspoken, which doesn't see noticeably faster loading times from it. So as of right now, M.2 doesn't make all that much sense.

 

HDDs are just fine for smaller games--they're also good if you wanna store other things on your PC that don't need to load so quickly, like pictures, videos, or music files.

 

truth. but I think that for the future it is more worthwhile to go for M.2 and SATA SD because of direct storage. and I put together a build with M.2 and a SATA SSD, and the M.2 build turns out to be cheaper than with a SATA SSD

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Lurking said:

Price out a good 2TB NVME and you see it will be cheaper than 2 smaller SSD. And large SSD tend to be faster and last longer. And you don't run out of m.2 ports if you use fewer larger drives.

 

You can create partitions for OS and data etc 

 

In 2023 and 2 TB, HDD really makes no sense. SATA SSD also seems pointless since they cost as much And cables = aarrgh.

 

If your MB doesn't have m 2, get a PCIe bracket with m.2

I researched and in my country M.2 is cheaper than SATA SSD.
and i know i can create partitions and "separate a few gb".
and I think it is more worthwhile to go for M.2 and SATA SSD than hdd.
I can get a 2xM.2 to begin with, so when I have the money, I'll get a SATA SSD if he needs it