7600X Build for RX 6700XT

[Jenko32]

I mostly play on my computer, my monitor is 1080p 120Hz, so I bought a RX6700XT but I have an i7-4790 therefore I have a little bit of bottleneck as expected. In the coming months, or before I feel like it, I would like to upgrade my CPU, what do you think of this build I came up with?

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/8Cg9Vw

 

 

Reason for these choices:

CPU: I don't want to spend 100€ more for the 7700X and the 7600 is only 2.51€ less

RAM: 1x16GB to get 32GB in the future if it's really going to be needed for games. I choose this RAM only because it has EXPO profile 6000MHz CL36 and it's cheap. I don't think I'll need to be chasing the lowest timings or higher frequency for my use

MB: This is the most difficult decison for me because I wanted PCIe 5.0 for the M.2 SSD speeds but I don't want a 50 second boot time like some MSI or Asus B650 seem to have. They might solve this with BIOS updates in the future but If I'm going to stick with this motherboard for another 10 years I'd like not to be stuck with that problem. I choose ATX because I need to plug something in a PCIe slot and with the μATX one it seems like too close to the GPU so it could block the airflow

[PDifolco]

7 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

I mostly play on my computer, my monitor is 1080p 120Hz, so I bought a RX6700XT but I have an i7-4790 therefore I have a little bit of bottleneck as expected. In the coming months, or before I feel like it, I would like to upgrade my CPU, what do you think of this build I came up with?

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/8Cg9Vw

 

 

Reason for these choices:

CPU: I don't want to spend 100€ more for the 7700X and the 7600 is only 2.51€ less

RAM: 1x16GB to get 32GB in the future if it's really going to be needed for games. I choose this RAM only because it has EXPO profile 6000MHz CL36 and it's cheap. I don't think I'll need to be chasing the lowest timings or higher frequency for my use

MB: This is the most difficult decison for me because I wanted PCIe 5.0 for the M.2 SSD speeds but I don't want a 50 second boot time like some MSI or Asus B650 seem to have. They might solve this with BIOS updates in the future but If I'm going to stick with this motherboard for another 10 years I'd like not to be stuck with that problem. I choose ATX because I need to plug something in a PCIe slot and with the μATX one it seems like too close to the GPU so it could block the airflow

Weird choices imo : you want Gen5 for useless "superfast" SSD (that offer no real gain irl) but cheap out on 1 stick of RAM that'll give you horrible performance ?

You could get 2x16GB decent 5600CL36 for 110-120EUR

[Jenko32]

9 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Weird choices imo : you want Gen5 for useless "superfast" SSD (that offer no real gain irl) but cheap out on 1 stick of RAM that'll give you horrible performance ?

You could get 2x16GB decent 5600CL36 for 110-120EUR

Fast ssd = fast copy and paste. Simple as that

The RAM choice was because 90% of the games I play don't even commit more than 12gb of ram (and that means it's not even using close to 12gb of ram) and seems strange that I needed 32gb for 1080p gaming now but I've seen more on the topic and seem that pc games are going that direction so I think I'll get two. Do you think 5600 vs 6000 is going to matter?

[Agall]

42 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

I mostly play on my computer, my monitor is 1080p 120Hz, so I bought a RX6700XT but I have an i7-4790 therefore I have a little bit of bottleneck as expected. In the coming months, or before I feel like it, I would like to upgrade my CPU, what do you think of this build I came up with?

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/8Cg9Vw

 

 

Reason for these choices:

CPU: I don't want to spend 100€ more for the 7700X and the 7600 is only 2.51€ less

RAM: 1x16GB to get 32GB in the future if it's really going to be needed for games. I choose this RAM only because it has EXPO profile 6000MHz CL36 and it's cheap. I don't think I'll need to be chasing the lowest timings or higher frequency for my use

MB: This is the most difficult decison for me because I wanted PCIe 5.0 for the M.2 SSD speeds but I don't want a 50 second boot time like some MSI or Asus B650 seem to have. They might solve this with BIOS updates in the future but If I'm going to stick with this motherboard for another 10 years I'd like not to be stuck with that problem. I choose ATX because I need to plug something in a PCIe slot and with the μATX one it seems like too close to the GPU so it could block the airflow

I'd go with the 7600 instead, ditch the cooler for now and run stock cooler so that you can budget in a proper 2x16GB kit of RAM. The stock cooler on a 7600 will run the CPU at +5GHz even in a restrictive mITX build, so anything else will be fine to start. The 7600x doesn't come with a stock cooler which is why, and the 7600 can sometimes be cheaper. Can always replace it later for a proper cooler.

 

Yes there's some binning involved in a 7600x versus 7600, but that's going to be the case anyways with any down configured CCD CPU like a 6c/12t. +5GHz on a $220 USD low wattage chip is still amazing.

[Jenko32]

2 minutes ago, Agall said:

I'd go with the 7600 instead, ditch the cooler for now and run stock cooler so that you can budget in a proper 2x16GB kit of RAM. The stock cooler on a 7600 will run the CPU at +5GHz even in a restrictive mITX build, so anything else will be fine to start. The 7600x doesn't come with a stock cooler which is why, and the 7600 can sometimes be cheaper. Can always replace it later for a proper cooler.

The 7600 is 2€ less than the 7600X but I know that the non-X one comes with the stock cooler but I thought I could run it at less than 95°C but I just discovered that the 7000 series is made to run at that temperature so the cooler won't matter, I would have liked my pc to not become an heater during the summer. Personal experience that it really rises the temperature of the room 

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, Jenko32 said:

Fast ssd = fast copy and paste. Simple as that

The RAM choice was because 90% of the games I play don't even commit more than 12gb of ram (and that means it's not even using close to 12gb of ram) and seems strange that I needed 32gb for 1080p gaming now but I've seen more on the topic and seem that pc games are going that direction so I think I'll get two. Do you think 5600 vs 6000 is going to matter?

I doubt there's a noticeable difference between copy times on Gen4 and 5... When you already have 5GB/sec in seq r/w but none to very few files of those sizes , and mostly much smaller files, 10GB/sec seq r/w don't change anything

 

And you don't need 32GB, what you need is dual sticks else you gimp memory bandwidth! And iirc difference in gaming between 5600CL36 and 600CL30 is a 3-4% tops

[Jenko32]

Alright, I'll see what I can come up with

[Agall]

53 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

The 7600 is 2€ less than the 7600X but I know that the non-X one comes with the stock cooler but I thought I could run it at less than 95°C but I just discovered that the 7000 series is made to run at that temperature so the cooler won't matter, I would have liked my pc to not become an heater during the summer. Personal experience that it really rises the temperature of the room 

The heat output is proportional to the wattage draw, where the X SKU CPUs for Ryzen 7000 are the ones designed to reach 95C. The non-X like the R5 7600 come default in 'eco mode' which doesn't try to push the thermal envelope, therefore going well above base wattage draw.

 

So unless you're planning to default ECO mode your 7600x, then its going to draw more heat than a 7600. Temperature in this scenario doesn't matter. A little bit of math to explain why:

 

Simplified equation to represent the scenario: Q = (mc) |T-T| 

 

(mc) in this scenario would represent the air flow and material properties of the cooler, some equations represent this by (UA) being a ma

|T-T| is the absolute difference between the heatsink and heat source

 

A less effective cooler like the stock cooler is limited by surface area, the heat transfer coefficient, and air flow (which is apart of the surface area discussions as well), all variables that lower the (mc) in this equation. Mathemetically, that just means getting the same heat transfer (Q) requires a higher |T-T| since the (mc) is lower.

[Agall]

45 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

I doubt there's a noticeable difference between copy times on Gen4 and 5... When you already have 5GB/sec in seq r/w but none to very few files of those sizes , and mostly much smaller files, 10GB/sec seq r/w don't change anything

 

And you don't need 32GB, what you need is dual sticks else you gimp memory bandwidth! And iirc difference in gaming between 5600CL36 and 600CL30 is a 3-4% tops

I disagree on the RAM, I've seen more examples in the last year of a standard gaming PC with its usual background applications wanting more than 16GB. Buying DDR5 with 2x8GB is possible, but suboptimal if comparable options are cheaper to upgrade in the future like an air cooler. When it comes to Ryzen 7000 RAM choices, I generally stick to 6000 CL36 but tight, so like 36-36-36-76. A tight CL30 kit is better, but I'd rather not edge that close to the sun and rely on the motherboard to have reliable subtimings. 

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, Agall said:

I disagree on the RAM, I've seen more examples in the last year of a standard gaming PC with its usual background applications wanting more than 16GB. Buying DDR5 with 2x8GB is possible, but suboptimal if comparable options are cheaper to upgrade in the future like an air cooler. When it comes to Ryzen 7000 RAM choices, I generally stick to 6000 CL36 but tight, so like 36-36-36-76. A tight CL30 kit is better, but I'd rather not edge that close to the sun and rely on the motherboard to have reliable subtimings. 

Agreed, 32GB is "nice", but not "needed"

I answered to the 1x16GB proposal, and 2x8GB DDR5 are not good with not much price difference with 2x16 indeed

About RAM speed, 5600CL36 is to me the "entry level" for decent performance