Ryzen 5 7600x VS Intel i5 13500

[Matias Mizrahi]

Hello people, i am wondering witch of these CPU's would be better for me, I will be primarilly gaming with some 3d modeling on the side

[Hinjima]

3 minutes ago, Matias Mizrahi said:

Hello people, i am wondering witch of these CPU's would be better for me, I will be primarilly gaming with some 3d modeling on the side

I jumped on the AM5 platform ( first time AMD! ). And I really do like my 7700x.  I think going 7600x would be a good idea as you can upgrade to later AMD CPU's as they will support the AM5 platform for a few more years, being able to put in a 7800X3D ( Or maybe a 8800X3D if they release that in 2024/5 )  and a high end GPU in a couple of years will breathe new life into the system without changing a lot of parts. You can obviously put a 13900k into the motherboard the 13500 would be but you are locked to that generation.  

[GuiltySpark_]

12 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

 You can obviously put a 13900k into the motherboard the 13500 would be but you are locked to that generation.  

Well, maybe. It's certainly looking like Raptor Lake Refresh will use the same socket/chipset. Could change, however. Still won't be the probably longevity of AM5 though. 

[Mister Woof]

9 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Well, maybe. It's certainly looking like Raptor Lake Refresh will use the same socket/chipset. Could change, however. Still won't be the probably longevity of AM5 though. 

I wouldn't bet on it.

 

6th gen and 7th gen used 100/200 series boards, and even though 8th and 9th used the same socket they locked them out and needed 300/400 series.

[GuiltySpark_]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I wouldn't bet on it.

 

6th gen and 7th gen used 100/200 series boards, and even though 8th and 9th used the same socket they locked them out and needed 300/400 series.

Yeah we'll see. We just don't have anything to confirm other than the roadmaps released a month or two ago. Raptor Lake-S Refresh on Z790. Might just end up with Meteor Lake for mobile and RPL-Refresh being a 13950k type deal. 

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 hour ago, Matias Mizrahi said:

Hello people, i am wondering witch of these CPU's would be better for me, I will be primarilly gaming with some 3d modeling on the side

It's kind of a weird time to build. Technically the best price/performance is on AM4, but that's a dead end. AM5 is future proof but expensive. LGA 1700 is dead end/sort of expensive.

 

AM5 is probably the best option if you have to build now.

 

With an AM5 board, you'll be able to slot in a Zen 5 cpu in 2024. The issue is, Arrow lake from Intel is looking to be the better product if the leaks are halfway true. I think Zen 5 is DOA if they don't increase the core counts on every sku. I hope they do, as I have an Am5 board myself.

 

If your current build is fine, I'd wait until 24' with Arrow Lake/Zen 5 and see which one ends up being better. Raptor lake refresh is snoozeville, and all the other options currently are either EOL or expensive.

[YoungBlade]

2 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Yeah we'll see. We just don't have anything to confirm other than the roadmaps released a month or two ago. Raptor Lake-S Refresh on Z790. Might just end up with Meteor Lake for mobile and RPL-Refresh being a 13950k type deal. 

 

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That's pretty crazy if that roadmap is accurate. It would be the first time since LGA 775 that Intel gave us more than just 2 generations per socket. That would be huge - I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this.

[Mister Woof]

53 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

That's pretty crazy if that roadmap is accurate. It would be the first time since LGA 775 that Intel gave us more than just 2 generations per socket. That would be huge - I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this.

Probably because the chip lineup won't be huge.  I think @GuiltySpark_is right, it will be some minor release

[porina]

3 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Well, maybe. It's certainly looking like Raptor Lake Refresh will use the same socket/chipset. Could change, however. Still won't be the probably longevity of AM5 though. 

We kinda had 3 generations in one socket compatibility from Intel before: Haswell, Haswell Refresh (Devil's Canyon), Broadwell. If my understanding is still there, 8x chipsets supported the two Haswell generations, and later 9x chipsets added Broadwell Support. Note the two Haswell generations didn't get different generational numbers.

 

The other example I can think of is Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh as 8/9th generation. This is only two generations and they did differ in generational number here.

 

My guess, if Raptor Refresh happens it would retain socket compatibility with existing Raptor Lake, because it will be largely unchanged. Bios update and go. I'm less sure if they'll give it a generational number increment, but there is precedent for multiple architectures existing under a generational number, and AMD is going hard in too.

[YoungBlade]

1 minute ago, porina said:

We kinda had 3 generations in one socket compatibility from Intel before: Haswell, Haswell Refresh (Devil's Canyon), Broadwell. If my understanding is still there, 8x chipsets supported the two Haswell generations, and later 9x chipsets added Broadwell Support. Note the two Haswell generations didn't get different generational numbers.

Calling desktop Broadwell a "generation" is being rather generous. It was 2 chips that even today are somewhat hard to find - it was a paper launch that quickly saw a replacement in Skylake.

 

I'll give you Devil's Canyon, though, so the socket still got 2 generations, even if they share a series number.

[porina]

5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Calling desktop Broadwell a "generation" is being rather generous. It was 2 chips that even today are somewhat hard to find - it was a paper launch that quickly saw a replacement in Skylake.

It's more of a generation than a refresh, in terms of hardware at least. I get it, Intel released it to say they released it, and it was essentially a mobile CPU in a desktop package. I owned both models at one point, 5675C and 5775C. Now I only have the latter in my file server. Another technology ahead of its time. They had the most cache on a mainstream tier desktop CPU until the 7900X3D parts eventually beat it. Now you got me wondering how it would do in modern games? I feel older ones scaled differently.

[YoungBlade]

42 minutes ago, porina said:

It's more of a generation than a refresh, in terms of hardware at least. I get it, Intel released it to say they released it, and it was essentially a mobile CPU in a desktop package. I owned both models at one point, 5675C and 5775C. Now I only have the latter in my file server. Another technology ahead of its time. They had the most cache on a mainstream tier desktop CPU until the 7900X3D parts eventually beat it. Now you got me wondering how it would do in modern games? I feel older ones scaled differently.

It doesn't really help. I think the cache and/or cores aren't fast enough to give a meaningful advantage.