RTX 3070 vs RX6700XT

[Jenko32]

I wanted to upgrade my CPU (i7-4970) but I decided that GPU was better immediate upgrade for games from GTX 1060. I play at 1080p 120Hz (haven't been able with newer games for a while of course) and was looking at the RTX3070 and the RX6700XT. I'm in Italy so prices and availability is often odd. The RTX I've seen for around 580€ new and 420-450€ used locally. The RX is only available new at 420-450€. 

I think that it's unreasonable to compare new RX to new RTX because the price difference isn't worth it but every GPU I've bought was used so I guess it the best choice? What do you think?

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Jenko32 said:

I wanted to upgrade my CPU (i7-4970) but I decided that GPU was better immediate upgrade for games from GTX 1060. I play at 1080p 120Hz (haven't been able with newer games for a while of course) and was looking at the RTX3070 and the RX6700XT. I'm in Italy so prices and availability is often odd. The RTX I've seen for around 580€ new and 420-450€ used locally. The RX is only available new at 420-450€. 

I think that it's unreasonable to compare new RX to new RTX because the price difference isn't worth it but every GPU I've bought was used so I guess it the best choice? What do you think?

you can get a 6800 xt or 6800 for that price. if so then go for those

[_Omega_]

if you cant go for a 6800, id go for the 6700XT if not for anything else them for the bit more VRAM 8Gigs is not enough for all future games 

[TyrantDagda]

Bbetween 3070 and a 6700 xt. I would go for the 6700 xt. i personally just upgraded this week from a GTX 1060 6 gb to a 6700 xt and i love it.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

19 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

I wanted to upgrade my CPU (i7-4970) but I decided that GPU was better immediate upgrade for games from GTX 1060. I play at 1080p 120Hz (haven't been able with newer games for a while of course) and was looking at the RTX3070 and the RX6700XT. I'm in Italy so prices and availability is often odd. The RTX I've seen for around 580€ new and 420-450€ used locally. The RX is only available new at 420-450€. 

I think that it's unreasonable to compare new RX to new RTX because the price difference isn't worth it but every GPU I've bought was used so I guess it the best choice? What do you think?

Neither.

 

Either used 6800xt or new 4070

[Jenko32]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

you can get a 6800 xt or 6800 for that price. if so then go for those

1 hour ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Neither.

 

Either used 6800xt or new 4070

6800/6800XT are both at 600€ on Amazon, 500/550€ on shadier online shops I wouldn't trust
4070 is at 660€. Really going out of budget. I didn't want to spend more than 400€ Initially

 

1 hour ago, _Omega_ said:

if you cant go for a 6800, id go for the 6700XT if not for anything else them for the bit more VRAM 8Gigs is not enough for all future games 

I've thought about 8GB not being enough but some people said to me that when I was getting the 6gb gtx 1060 in 2017 and I still think in the same way. Right now I'll play almost maxed out but in 3 years I probably won't max out anything so I think that 8gb will be enough for low-mid settings then

[SteveGrabowski0]

7 hours ago, Jenko32 said:

6800/6800XT are both at 600€ on Amazon, 500/550€ on shadier online shops I wouldn't trust
4070 is at 660€. Really going out of budget. I didn't want to spend more than 400€ Initially

 

I've thought about 8GB not being enough but some people said to me that when I was getting the 6gb gtx 1060 in 2017 and I still think in the same way. Right now I'll play almost maxed out but in 3 years I probably won't max out anything so I think that 8gb will be enough for low-mid settings then

Why play mid low settings instead of just buying the 12GB card that you won't have to take a hatchet to texture quality for? The 6700 XT fits your budget. Why are you trying to talk yourself into a more expensive 3070 that's going to age worse? Especially when you're going to have to save money up to do a platform upgrade from your Haswell chip.

[Jenko32]

10 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

The 6700 XT fits your budget. Why are you trying to talk yourself into a more expensive 3070 that's going to age worse?

Because in benchmark it seems more powerful in the games I would like to play right now and it costs the same if I trust the used ones (I only ever bought used computer components but that was before mining for GPUs). Maybe I'm just a Nvidia fanboy in denial, I'm so used to Nvidia GameStream and Shadowplay but I guess there are alternatives

[SteveGrabowski0]

2 hours ago, Jenko32 said:

Because in benchmark it seems more powerful in the games I would like to play right now and it costs the same if I trust the used ones (I only ever bought used computer components but that was before mining for GPUs). Maybe I'm just a Nvidia fanboy in denial, I'm so used to Nvidia GameStream and Shadowplay but I guess there are alternatives

What games and is the 3070 way above the 6700 XT in them? 8GB is already proving to be a problem today at 1440p in AAA releases without even turning on raytracing and the trend will only get worse as games no longer have to target the weak last gen PS4 and XBox One consoles and instead target XBox Series X and PS5 where they'll have 10GB minimum of fast VRAM.

[Jenko32]

Just now, SteveGrabowski0 said:

8GB is already proving to be a problem today at 1440p in AAA releases

1080p forever for me

 

6 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

What games and is the 3070 way above the 6700 XT in them?

https://youtu.be/f0yo2Sc-DyI?t=592 at 9:52 he shows percentage difference but upon individual inspection this is a bit unfair considering he enabled ray tracing on for every game and I don't think I'm going to take a loss of 20-30fps for reflections if I take the AMD

On another note, I found someone on eBay selling a RX6800 for 465€ and now I'm really tempted to throw some more money at it, if it means that I'm going to be good for another 6 years it would be nice. No matter what I get I'll never see those fps in the video with the i7 4790 tho

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

  

16 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

1080p forever for me

Today's problems at 1440p will be tomorrow's at 1080p. In 2021 and 2022 the 8GB on the 3060 Ti / 3070 / 3070 Ti only showed its ass in games with RT turned on, eg where an RX 6700 XT could play Doom Eternal ultra nightmare with RT at 1440p 70fps, an RTX 3060 12GB could do it at 80 fps, while the RTX 3070 lagged behind at 60 fps.

 

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/doom-eternal-test-rtx

 

Or in Resident Evil 8 where the 6700 XT could play 4k 65 fps maxed with RT while the RTX 3070 fell down to 43 fps at 4k in their tesing.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/resident_evil_village_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

 

Most of the other results where the 8GB would cause the 3060 Ti / 3070 / 3070 Ti to tank from those two years would be running RT at 4k in settings you wouldn't run any of those cards at. But that's not the case in 2023 any more. For instance while this is comparing 3060 Ti to 6700 XT and not 3070 to 6700 XT, you can see how the 8GB of VRAM leads to awful framerate osciallations in Hogwarts Legacy here at 1440p without RT on.

 

 

It's a genuine trend with 2023 releases that has been repeating itself in games like Forspoken, The Last of Us Part 1, and Resident Evil 4 Remake also. You could say bad ports, but PC ports are in general bad. It's just the games released in 2023 aren't having to target last gen consoles anymore so seem optimized for systems with more VRAM. It'll get worse as graphical upgrades will cause games to target 1080p60 on the consoles instead of 1440p60.

 

16 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

On another note, I found someone on eBay selling a RX6800 for 465€ and now I'm really tempted to throw some more money at it, if it means that I'm going to be good for another 6 years it would be nice. No matter what I get I'll never see those fps in the video with the i7 4790 tho

Yeah 6800 should age pretty well, though I doubt we'll ever see another gpu like the 1080Ti which legitimately was outstanding for 6 years without being insanely expensive (except during cryptomining booms). Honestly though if you're going to stick with an i7-4790 I wouldn't buy any of those cards. Until last June I ran a cpu virtually identical to the i7-4790, namely the Xeon E3-1231v3 which is a 4790 minus 200 MHz and marketed as a low end server processor instead of as the highish end desktop processor the 4790 was marketed as. And it could bottleneck my old GTX 1660 Super pretty hard at 1080p in games like Elden Ring and I think even Control had problems running full gpu usage even though it's not usually thought of as a cpu heavy game. Haswell i7 was amazing for its time and lasted forever as a high quality gaming cpu but it's going to hold back any gpu in the classes you're talking about buying in a lot of AAA games nowadays.

[Jenko32]

7 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Honestly though if you're going to stick with an i7-4790 I wouldn't buy any of those cards. Until last June I ran a cpu virtually identical to the i7-4790, namely the Xeon E3-1231v3 which is a 4790 minus 200 MHz and marketed as a low end server processor instead of as the highish end desktop processor the 4790 was marketed as. And it could bottleneck my old GTX 1660 Super pretty hard at 1080p in games like Elden Ring and I think even Control had problems running full gpu usage even though it's not usually thought of as a cpu heavy game. Haswell i7 was amazing for its time and lasted forever as a high quality gaming cpu but it's going to hold back any gpu in the classes you're talking about buying in a lot of AAA games nowadays.

I don't want to keep the i7, probably will get ryzen 5 7600x in the future, it's just that if I upgrade my CPU now I'm going to be bummed because I won't gain too much in games, GPU is easier for now

[SteveGrabowski0]

23 minutes ago, Jenko32 said:

I don't want to keep the i7, probably will get ryzen 5 7600x in the future, it's just that if I upgrade my CPU now I'm going to be bummed because I won't gain too much in games, GPU is easier for now

Definitely makes sense.