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So I just recently got some upgrades for my PC. I got a new CPU and GPU. I installed them both along with a brand new clean SSD today. it seems that the CPU AND the GPU are not working correctly as when I put the old ones back In I can get to bios but if either of them are installed I cant even get an image to look at the bios at all. Ram, mother bard and power supply are all still the same. it boots up with the new parts but no display at all

 

specs of old pc

 

Gtx1060 

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 

X370 GAMING PLUS

16 GB Ram

725 watt power supply

 

 

New CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

New GPU RTX 3070

Don't Judge my spelling I'm dyslexic 

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9 minutes ago, Teradore said:

So I just recently got some upgrades for my PC. I got a new CPU and GPU. I installed them both along with a brand new clean SSD today. it seems that the CPU AND the GPU are not working correctly as when I put the old ones back In I can get to bios but if either of them are installed I cant even get an image to look at the bios at all. Ram, mother bard and power supply are all still the same. it boots up with the new parts but no display at all

 

specs of old pc

 

Gtx1060 

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 

X370 GAMING PLUS

16 GB Ram

725 watt power supply

 

 

New CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

New GPU RTX 3070

You need to Update your BIOS to the latest version, then your CPU may work. 
You also might need to set your BIOS PCIe setting to 3.0 manually, as the RTX3070 is a PCIe Gen4 GPU. 

Always check compatibility before buying new parts. 
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PLUS/support#cpu

Also read release notes for your BIOS before updating:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PLUS/support

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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3 minutes ago, VioDuskar said:

You need to Update your BIOS to the latest version, then your CPU may work. 
You also might need to set your BIOS PCIe setting to 3.0 manually, as the RTX3070 is a PCIe Gen4 GPU. 

Thank you! I will try both of these things!

 

3 minutes ago, VioDuskar said:

Always check compatibility before buying new parts. 
 

I made a thread here before I bought them as I didn't know how bets to check compatibility. kinda figured someone would say something but I guess not... thank you!

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3 minutes ago, Teradore said:

Thank you! I will try both of these things!

 

I made a thread here before I bought them as I didn't know how bets to check compatibility. kinda figured someone would say something but I guess not... thank you!

Can you link that thread? I haven't seen it.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

Can you link that thread? I haven't seen it.

Here you go. also it looks like my PCIE is alredy set to 3.0 so im not sure what needs to be done paste that? 

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6 minutes ago, Teradore said:

Thank you! I will try both of these things!

 

I made a thread here before I bought them as I didn't know how bets to check compatibility. kinda figured someone would say something but I guess not... thank you!

sometimes the folks on the forums get exhausted by requests they feel are too basic. They just don't reply. 
I know most folks just don't know what they don't know though. 

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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2 minutes ago, Teradore said:

Here you go. also it looks like my PCIE is alredy set to 3.0 so im not sure what needs to be done paste that? 

oh, also get your new GOU working with the old CPU before putting the new CPU in.

old CPU, new GPU - test and verify, update BIOS, retest same combo. 

New CPU, old GPU, test and verify. 

New CPU, New GPU, test and verify. 

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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10 minutes ago, Teradore said:

Here you go. also it looks like my PCIE is alredy set to 3.0 so im not sure what needs to be done paste that? 

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M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

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my bad I thought I pasted the link 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Teradore said:

my bad I thought I pasted the link 

 

 

Well, many people here assume users update their bios(es) as they should, no one there thought of the possibility you did not.

I usually mention upgrading the bios prior to upgrades because I know people who do not flash the latest bios, use the latest drivers, update windows/programs do exist even amongst gamers or even tech enthusiasts. But, as I've already stated, I missed your thread, maybe even because of the typo in the name...

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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1 hour ago, VioDuskar said:

You need to Update your BIOS to the latest version, then your CPU may work. 
Always check compatibility before buying new parts. 
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PLUS/support#cpu

Also read release notes for your BIOS before updating:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PLUS/support

THIS. Site indicates beta BIOS support for this CPU with this board, so I'm not sure I would trust it. MSI has goofed on at least a couple beta BIOS revisions lately, and they told me my B450M Bazooka would support a 5900X with a BIOS update, only to double-back and say the update would fry my board after I bought said CPU. Within weeks, any mention of 5900X support for said board was gone from the site.

 

Greg Salazar, a tech YouTuber, saw similar with a 3600X / B450 Tomahawk setup that refused to POST or even power on. Turned out the board had a beta BIOS from which Zen 2 support had been removed. Of course, all mention of this BIOS revision by then had been removed from the site as well. I've seen nothing to show that MSI knows what they're doing in this regard.

 

With VRMs and CPU power requirements, I'm not sure I would even run a Zen 3 on a B450, let alone an older board. An X-series chipset might be okay with it, but still dicey IMO. Might want to think about a B550.

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The beta BIOS should work, if you wanna wait for a full release go for it, that beta is revision of the original beta that some isers have reported to work with zen 3.  That’s the first time I’ve seen an x379 not have official support.  Odd, the 1700 when OC’d (which x370 fully supports) would use a lot more power than a 5700x using PBO, so I wouldn’t worry at all about any physical damage.  A 5900x or 5950x is a different story, but your going feom a less efficient 8-core to a more efficient 8-core.

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34 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

The beta BIOS should work, if you wanna wait for a full release go for it, that beta is revision of the original beta that some isers have reported to work with zen 3.  That’s the first time I’ve seen an x379 not have official support.  Odd, the 1700 when OC’d (which x370 fully supports) would use a lot more power than a 5700x using PBO, so I wouldn’t worry at all about any physical damage.  A 5900x or 5950x is a different story, but your going feom a less efficient 8-core to a more efficient 8-core.

I guess its risky but tbh Im willing to take the risk. however I cant seem to find the beta bios virsions to download. I am an idiot for sure, but could some one point out whare to download the beta bios? (on the bright side I did get the gpu to work finally, idk what I did tho) 

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3 minutes ago, Teradore said:

I guess its risky but tbh Im willing to take the risk. however I cant seem to find the beta bios virsions to download. I am an idiot for sure, but could some one point out whare to download the beta bios? (on the bright side I did get the gpu to work finally, idk what I did tho) 

I take this back I did flash the beta version and it did not work

 

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1 hour ago, An0maly_76 said:

THIS. Site indicates beta BIOS support for this CPU with this board, so I'm not sure I would trust it. MSI has goofed on at least a couple beta BIOS revisions lately, and they told me my B450M Bazooka would support a 5900X with a BIOS update, only to double-back and say the update would fry my board after I bought said CPU. Within weeks, any mention of 5900X support for said board was gone from the site.

 

Greg Salazar, a tech YouTuber, saw similar with a 3600X / B450 Tomahawk setup that refused to POST or even power on. Turned out the board had a beta BIOS from which Zen 2 support had been removed. Of course, all mention of this BIOS revision by then had been removed from the site as well. I've seen nothing to show that MSI knows what they're doing in this regard.

 

With VRMs and CPU power requirements, I'm not sure I would even run a Zen 3 on a B450, let alone an older board. An X-series chipset might be okay with it, but still dicey IMO. Might want to think about a B550.

sounds like im getting a new motherboard. any recemendation thats compatable with my new cpu? 

 

preferably not super pricy

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2 hours ago, Teradore said:

sounds like im getting a new motherboard. any recemendation thats compatable with my new cpu? 

 

preferably not super pricy

I run the Asus Tuf B550 Plus. The Pro adds a USB 3.2 header. The ASRock B450M-HDV is a cheap alternative that might be okay for a G variant, but for future upgrades, I would go with a B550.

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8 hours ago, Teradore said:

Thank you! I will try both of these things!

 

I made a thread here before I bought them as I didn't know how bets to check compatibility. kinda figured someone would say something but I guess not... thank you!

That may or may not be enough.  I don’t know if the x370 gaming plus got an update or not.  Might do to find out.  Or you could just try it.  All of the 4xx boards got ryzen3 updates, but not all the 3xx did. Some though.  You got a decent shot.  The standard move is to just update the bios with your regular old ryzen1 (generally a good idea anyway with more-or-less all ryzen) but if your board didn’t get an update it won’t work.  If worse comes to worse you may need a new motherboard.  The issue is the bios chips are only so big.  That’s what the “max” thing was about.  Bigger bios chips.  They got away with it anyway by removing a bunch of the older chips. So after the update your machine won’t run an am4 athalon any more.  I don’t know if ryzen1 was affected or not.

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