Questions about a build

[Laynord]

A friend of mine is planning on making himself a new build and i have concerns about something :
He plans on buying a 4090 ( 4 slot wide gpu )
and a elgato 4k60

and a wifi card
but on most motherboards

the slots are configured so that if he puts the 4090 in the top slot he cant put both elgato and wifi pcie
is it a big loss to put it in bottom slot ( for exemple this MB :  )

 

I could see everything fit but is there perf concerns or anything ( bottom slot is 16x pcie4  but is marked as fucntioning in x4 )
Is there any workarounds ?or bigger motherboard standards ?

[Laynord]

Or does he just need to take a MB wiht wifi like this one ?
https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00519417.html#58d2c15714e15

[podkall]

@ShawtyT30beTHICCC @PDifolco

Any of you familiar with 4090 clearance? Not just case clearance. ^

[DEADPOOLSMOM]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

@ShawtyT30beTHICCC @PDifolco

Any of you familiar with 4090 clearance? Not just case clearance. ^

I don't see how it's relevant. No one should be buying 4090s. They just melt and they cost a bazillion dollars. No point.

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

I don't see how it's relevant. No one should be buying 4090s. They just melt and they cost a bazillion dollars. No point.

I heared of 4090s melting, do they also melt with a high quality PSU?

[Middcore]

Just now, podkall said:

I heared of 4090s melting, do they also melt with a high quality PSU?

 

The problem isn't with the PSU, it's the cable/connector. 

[DEADPOOLSMOM]

Just now, Middcore said:

 

The problem isn't with the PSU, it's the cable/connector. 

Exactly. And it seems to be only AIB cards, which means it is likely cut corners with a cheaper connector on the card itself. 

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Middcore said:

 

The problem isn't with the PSU, it's the cable/connector. 

But cable is also from PSU,

 

1 minute ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

AIB cards

what's AIB?

[DEADPOOLSMOM]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

what's AIB?

Add in Board

[podkall]

5 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Add in Board

That doesn't explain, is AIB when MSI buys Nvidia board/chip and slaps their own cooler and stuff on it?

[Middcore]

9 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Exactly. And it seems to be only AIB cards, which means it is likely cut corners with a cheaper connector on the card itself. 

Reserve judgment on that.

 

https://hothardware.com/news/some-geforce-rtx-4090-owners-claim-their-native-16-pin-power-plugs-are-melting-too

 

 

[PDifolco]

8 minutes ago, podkall said:

That doesn't explain, is AIB when MSI buys Nvidia board/chip and slaps their own cooler and stuff on it?

Yes that's it

4090s are around 30-35cm long and 4 slots thick ...

[podkall]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Yes that's it

4090s are around 30-35cm long and 4 slots thick ...

op knows how thick 4090 is, they are unsure of clearance on motherboard since most motherboards weren't built around 4slot GPU existence

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

op knows how thick 4090 is, they are unsure of clearance on motherboard since most motherboards weren't built around 4slot GPU existence

Didn't see any complaint about that, mobos are normally flat there as you're supposed to slot stuff anyway..

[Laynord]

6 minutes ago, podkall said:

op knows how thick 4090 is, they are unsure of clearance on motherboard since most motherboards weren't built around 4slot GPU existence

Yep just wondering about expension slots and conpatibilit0y / fit with both elgato 4k60 and wifi Pcie stuff
 

[Laynord]

Just now, PDifolco said:

Didn't see any complaint about that, mobos are normally flat there as you're supposed to slot stuff anyway..

The whole message is about that

[Laynord]

9 minutes ago, podkall said:

op knows how thick 4090 is, they are unsure of clearance on motherboard since most motherboards weren't built around 4slot GPU existence

For the melting problem i saw in this video

that it was mostly caused by side to side bending so just avoid that and everything should be  ok

[Laynord]

5 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Didn't see any complaint about that, mobos are normally flat there as you're supposed to slot stuff anyway..

Never posted beforehand ( last reply ) that i had concerns on melting stuff
Just performance and fitting complains / doubts

[Heliian]

Is a capture card even necessary?  

 

Built in wifi/BT, as suggested would be the best course. 

 

Maybe an eatx mobo if you really want all the cards. 

[Middcore]

13 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Didn't see any complaint about that, mobos are normally flat there as you're supposed to slot stuff anyway..

He's talking about the number of PCIe "slots" the card takes up. As a 4-slot card, if he puts it in the top x16 slot it will also cover the lower x16 slot.

[Laynord]

5 minutes ago, Heliian said:

Is a capture card even necessary?  

 

Built in wifi/BT, as suggested would be the best course. 

 

Maybe an eatx mobo if you really want all the cards. 

As i understood he wants a capture card for his switch

[Laynord]

But yeah just built in wifi seems to be the best option

[dizmo]

Welcome to the forum! There are many ways around the problem your friend has, he just has to be smarter with his component selection. 

• Buy a 4090 with a build in pump. You won't have any clearance issues whatsoever 
• Buy a motherboard with built in WiFi, so you don't need the add in card

Either one of these should provide the solution you need. You can also see if you can find an eATX motherboard with better spacing, but they're incredibly expensive for little to no real gain. 

1 hour ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

I don't see how it's relevant. No one should be buying 4090s. They just melt and they cost a bazillion dollars. No point.

Wrong. 4090s are excellent performing cards, and $1,600 isn't a lot of money to everyone. It's definitely worth it to a decent number of enthusiasts. 

1 hour ago, podkall said:

I heared of 4090s melting, do they also melt with a high quality PSU?

It's not really that big of an issue as long as you follow the appropriate installation steps. Personally with a budget like your friend has, I'd pay the extra and get some Cablemod cables with the 90 degree GPU connection. 

1 hour ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

Exactly. And it seems to be only AIB cards, which means it is likely cut corners with a cheaper connector on the card itself. 

The adapters IIRC are provided by Nvidia. Its not the actual connector mounted to the motherboard, they're standard. 

[Laynord]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Welcome to the forum! There are many ways around the problem your friend has, he just has to be smarter with his component selection. 

• Buy a 4090 with a build in pump. You won't have any clearance issues whatsoever 
• Buy a motherboard with built in WiFi, so you don't need the add in card

Either one of these should provide the solution you need. You can also see if you can find an eATX motherboard with better spacing, but they're incredibly expensive for little to no real gain. 

Wrong. 4090s are excellent performing cards, and $1,600 isn't a lot of money to everyone. It's definitely worth it to a decent number of enthusiasts. 

It's not really that big of an issue as long as you follow the appropriate installation steps. Personally with a budget like your friend has, I'd pay the extra and get some Cablemod cables with the 90 degree GPU connection. 

The adapters IIRC are provided by Nvidia. Its not the actual connector mounted to the motherboard, they're standard. 

True forgor the gablemod thing they already have the new standard in 90 ° ?
Cause it dont see them here https://eustore.cablemod.com/12vhpwr-kit-picker/
Thanks i guess for the info

[Laynord]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Welcome to the forum! There are many ways around the problem your friend has, he just has to be smarter with his component selection. 

• Buy a 4090 with a build in pump. You won't have any clearance issues whatsoever 
• Buy a motherboard with built in WiFi, so you don't need the add in card

Either one of these should provide the solution you need. You can also see if you can find an eATX motherboard with better spacing, but they're incredibly expensive for little to no real gain. 

Wrong. 4090s are excellent performing cards, and $1,600 isn't a lot of money to everyone. It's definitely worth it to a decent number of enthusiasts. 

It's not really that big of an issue as long as you follow the appropriate installation steps. Personally with a budget like your friend has, I'd pay the extra and get some Cablemod cables with the 90 degree GPU connection. 

The adapters IIRC are provided by Nvidia. Its not the actual connector mounted to the motherboard, they're standard. 

and i might be blind but i dont see the 12vhpwr stuff in here