Upgrade for a Ryzen 1700

[CardinalHunter]

So I built my machine back in 2017 when the Ryzen 1700 first launched and I was wondering what the optimal CPU upgrade pathing is. I have a 1080ti that I built it with and I can feel the frames getting bottlenecked by my CPU. This wasn't a problem initially as I used to play on 4k but decided to switch to 1440p recently. I don't yet feel I need to upgrade my GPU as it still serves me well enough.

 

I am also using 32Gbs of g.skill tridentz ddr4 3000mhz ram(upgraded from 16gb a year ago, didn't feel like replacing old ram so just bought more 3000mhz) ram. I am considering making the switch to intel as the 7000 series would require me to get ddr5 memory which is just too expensive for me. I know Ryzen takes advantage on fast ram, maybe more so than intel so I was also wondering if I switched to intel, would the performance gain be greater than upgrading to AMD given I don't change the ram.(kind of a cheapskate cuz I just don't feel like shelling out for new ram, didn't want to when I got more ram a year ago, don't feel like it now)

 

I know this might sound stupid but what are the chances I could just stick to the same ram and maybe overclock them to get more clock speed out of my ram instead of just buying new ones? I know I can try to update my bios to accommodate for the 5th gen chips but I also kinda want out of this motherboard (Asus Prime B350 Plus) cuz of I've needed to re-overclock it a few times cuz of boot looping issues and other problems and I'm running the ram at like 2133mhz because I just can't get the ram speeds to work on this board which is also missing some features I wanted on my new case. Given that I'd be probably be running at 2133mhz if I stayed on this board even if I upgrade to a 5000 series CPU, is it worth it for me to just spring for an older generation of intel motherboard which would be compatible with 13th gen intel CPU's but still give me the most out of my existing ram?

 

I am currently in the UK (international studnets) and things are just getting too expensive so I just don't have too much leeway to spend on upgrades which offer diminishing returns. Any advice would be much appreciated

[Dutch_Master]

See if you can find budget for an Intel 12600 and B660 DDR4 mainboard. This allows you to reuse your existing RAM sticks at the 3GHz speed. But it'll also expose your 1080TI as a bottleneck, perhaps consider adding a Intel Arc A380 for its modern features (it's not faster/better then the 1080, but does have newer stuff onboard your system may utilize)

[PDifolco]

11 minutes ago, CardinalHunter said:

So I built my machine back in 2017 when the Ryzen 1700 first launched and I was wondering what the optimal CPU upgrade pathing is. I have a 1080ti that I built it with and I can feel the frames getting bottlenecked by my CPU. This wasn't a problem initially as I used to play on 4k but decided to switch to 1440p recently. I don't yet feel I need to upgrade my GPU as it still serves me well enough.

 

I am also using 32Gbs of g.skill tridentz ddr4 3000mhz ram(upgraded from 16gb a year ago, didn't feel like replacing old ram so just bought more 3000mhz) ram. I am considering making the switch to intel as the 7000 series would require me to get ddr5 memory which is just too expensive for me. I know Ryzen takes advantage on fast ram, maybe more so than intel so I was also wondering if I switched to intel, would the performance gain be greater than upgrading to AMD given I don't change the ram.(kind of a cheapskate cuz I just don't feel like shelling out for new ram, didn't want to when I got more ram a year ago, don't feel like it now)

 

I know this might sound stupid but what are the chances I could just stick to the same ram and maybe overclock them to get more clock speed out of my ram instead of just buying new ones? I know I can try to update my bios to accommodate for the 5th gen chips but I also kinda want out of this motherboard (Asus Prime B350 Plus) cuz of I've needed to re-overclock it a few times cuz of boot looping issues and other problems and I'm running the ram at like 2133mhz because I just can't get the ram speeds to work on this board which is also missing some features I wanted on my new case. Given that I'd be probably be running at 2133mhz if I stayed on this board even if I upgrade to a 5000 series CPU, is it worth it for me to just spring for an older generation of intel motherboard which would be compatible with 13th gen intel CPU's but still give me the most out of my existing ram?

 

I am currently in the UK (international studnets) and things are just getting too expensive so I just don't have too much leeway to spend on upgrades which offer diminishing returns. Any advice would be much appreciated

Get a 5600 for a cheap effective upgrade, or a 5800x3d if you can afford it

Your RAM is on the slow side but I don't think upgrading it would be really worth it given that DDR4 is on eol

[solado]

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I am considering making the switch to intel as the 7000 series would require me to get ddr5 memory which is just too expensive for me.

 

If money is a barrier you would be much better off going for a 3000 series or a 5000 series Ryzen. You wouldn't need to change your motherboard. You can pick up a 3700x used on eBay for £140 from reputable seller, I have seen it lower on occations too.

 

If you wanted too you could also look at a 5600x which would be even better for gaming and will easily last a good few years. They can be had used for about £160.

[CardinalHunter]

4 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Get a 5600 for a cheap effective upgrade, or a 5800x3d if you can afford it

Your RAM is on the slow side but I don't think upgrading it would be really worth it given that DDR4 is on eol

Would this be worth even if I still won't be able to use my ram at 3000mhz or would I be able to actually use my ram at full 3000mhz even if I use the same board? I don't think I'd pick up an x3d since I don't particularly need it now.

 

4 hours ago, solado said:

 

If money is a barrier you would be much better off going for a 3000 series or a 5000 series Ryzen. You wouldn't need to change your motherboard. You can pick up a 3700x used on eBay for £140 from reputable seller, I have seen it lower on occations too.

 

If you wanted too you could also look at a 5600x which would be even better for gaming and will easily last a good few years. They can be had used for about £160.

Money is not exactly the problem right now I just want the best value proposition if that makes sense, I don't really want to upgrade everything until after I graduate in about 2 years and I just want to keep most of what I have right now. Is a 5600X worth the extra 30 pounds over a 5600 on amazon right now?

[solado]

1 minute ago, CardinalHunter said:

Money is not exactly the problem right now I just want the best value proposition if that makes sense, I don't really want to upgrade everything until after I graduate in about 2 years and I just want to keep most of what I have right now. Is a 5600X worth the extra 30 pounds over a 5600 on amazon right now?

Nope. The 5600 is perfectly fine. The difference is the 5600x is like 2% faster out of the box, you can easily add a small over clock to the 5600 and match the x. Save the £30

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, CardinalHunter said:

Would this be worth even if I still won't be able to use my ram at 3000mhz or would I be able to actually use my ram at full 3000mhz even if I use the same board? I don't think I'd pick up an x3d since I don't particularly need it now.

 

Money is not exactly the problem right now I just want the best value proposition if that makes sense, I don't really want to upgrade everything until after I graduate in about 2 years and I just want to keep most of what I have right now. Is a 5600X worth the extra 30 pounds over a 5600 on amazon right now?

Well the problem seems to be your mobo, doesn't support more than 2400MHz

If you want to use 3000MT XMP you need to upgrade it to a good B550 board, but then getting an Intel CPU would make more sense now (13600K is a bomb)

Not sure what's your budget and your usage, thought you were into gaming where the 5800X3D rocks

 

[CardinalHunter]

9 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Well the problem seems to be your mobo, doesn't support more than 2400MHz

If you want to use 3000MT XMP you need to upgrade it to a good B550 board, but then getting an Intel CPU would make more sense now (13600K is a bomb)

Not sure what's your budget and your usage, thought you were into gaming where the 5800X3D rocks

 

I am into gaming but I feel like getting the 5800X3D is overkill with this motherboard and GPU, the 5800X3D is at least 150% more expensive than a 5600 which just feels like way too much for an old system and motherboard like this, I wouldn't mind paying more I just need like the best value proposition if that makes sense and of course if I just need to pay up to ~£40 more for more modern features I wouldn't really mind which is why I'm considering a move to an intel board to just breathe new life into the system

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, CardinalHunter said:

I am into gaming but I feel like getting the 5800X3D is overkill with this motherboard and GPU, the 5800X3D is at least 150% more expensive than a 5600 which just feels like way too much for an old system and motherboard like this, I wouldn't mind paying more I just need like the best value proposition if that makes sense and of course if I just need to pay up to ~£40 more for more modern features I wouldn't really mind which is why I'm considering a move to an intel board to just breathe new life into the system

Really if you can afford it and given you have a 5 year+ old system you could refresh everything and get a 13600K and B660 or Z690 board, you could even keep your RAM and even try to OC it a bit.

This will give you a whole new performance level for $500  to $600 !

Cheap option is a 5600, less than $200, but it'll be non upgradable and your RAM will stay slow

[toasty99]

all you need is a Ryzen 5600 non x or a Ryzen 5700x. Do a bios update, drop in the new cpu, enjoy. 

 

Your ram will probably run fine at 3000mhz with a newer processor. 

[Dedayog]

15 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Get a 5600 for a cheap effective upgrade, or a 5800x3d if you can afford it

Your RAM is on the slow side but I don't think upgrading it would be really worth it given that DDR4 is on eol

This.  5600 is like $129?   Done.

[QuantumSingularity]

If you are budget tight - BIOS update then 5600X and done for the next 2-3 years. No additional PSU or RAM needed. Just drop in an RTX 3070 once they get to reasonable prices and that's it. The 5600X i run on this machine is fast enough out of the box with no need to manually OC. Precision Boost in Ryzen Master and forget about anything else.

[Guest]

On 10/22/2022 at 3:00 PM, PDifolco said:

Well the problem seems to be your mobo, doesn't support more than 2400MHz

If you want to use 3000MT XMP you need to upgrade it to a good B550 board, but then getting an Intel CPU would make more sense now (13600K is a bomb)

Not sure what's your budget and your usage, thought you were into gaming where the 5800X3D rocks

 

The board supports 3200MHz. The 2400MHz limit is with an Athlon X4 and A-Series cpu. His kit might run at 2933MHz on that board though.

[Pasi123]

On 10/22/2022 at 5:00 PM, PDifolco said:

Well the problem seems to be your mobo, doesn't support more than 2400MHz

If you want to use 3000MT XMP you need to upgrade it to a good B550 board, but then getting an Intel CPU would make more sense now (13600K is a bomb)

Not sure what's your budget and your usage, thought you were into gaming where the 5800X3D rocks

 

That's not true, my sister's PC has the same motherboard and it can do 2933MT/s without any problems. Though I haven't tried setting it higher because it only has a Ryzen 3 1200 but with a newer CPU it should be fine at 3000MT/s or higher

[QuantumSingularity]

The board officially supports 3200MHz. But will the memory be able to achieve it through manually adjusting timings and voltage depends entirely on the stick themselves. I've seen before stick reaching above their rated clocks with the same timings and just voltage control, but it's basically down to luck.

[CardinalHunter]

On 10/22/2022 at 3:24 PM, PDifolco said:

Really if you can afford it and given you have a 5 year+ old system you could refresh everything and get a 13600K and B660 or Z690 board, you could even keep your RAM and even try to OC it a bit.

This will give you a whole new performance level for $500  to $600 !

Cheap option is a 5600, less than $200, but it'll be non upgradable and your RAM will stay slow

Just took a look at it on amazon and it looks like I'll need at least £500 and probably more to upgrade which definitely feels overkill for now since I'm still using a 1080Ti

 

On 10/23/2022 at 10:57 AM, QuantumSingularity said:

If you are budget tight - BIOS update then 5600X and done for the next 2-3 years. No additional PSU or RAM needed. Just drop in an RTX 3070 once they get to reasonable prices and that's it. The 5600X i run on this machine is fast enough out of the box with no need to manually OC. Precision Boost in Ryzen Master and forget about anything else.

5600 just looks more worth it compared to 5600X for me since I'd be paying 20% additional cost just to get the non x variant, btw what's the difference between these 2 and a 5600G?

[Slizzo]

1 hour ago, CardinalHunter said:

Just took a look at it on amazon and it looks like I'll need at least £500 and probably more to upgrade which definitely feels overkill for now since I'm still using a 1080Ti

 

5600 just looks more worth it compared to 5600X for me since I'd be paying 20% additional cost just to get the non x variant, btw what's the difference between these 2 and a 5600G?

5600G has an integrated GPU. I would get the standard 5600 as well, not the 5600G. Makes more sense in your case since you already have the AM4 motherboard + 1080Ti and all that, and can just drop in the CPU

[Sarra]

5600 will be a massive performance increase over a 1700. You could get more performance from your machine with a used 2060, RX 5700, 3060, or a RX 6600. Add in super/TI/XT on those, and it will be even betterer. A 5600 with a RX 6600 and 3200 memory would be a beast of a system compared to a 1700 and GTX 1080TI.

 

The AM4 platform is just as EOL as the 13'th gen platform. The last of the last. Get a 13'th gen system, and there's no upgrade path.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

On 10/22/2022 at 4:51 AM, solado said:

 

If money is a barrier you would be much better off going for a 3000 series or a 5000 series Ryzen. You wouldn't need to change your motherboard. You can pick up a 3700x used on eBay for £140 from reputable seller, I have seen it lower on occations too.

 

If you wanted too you could also look at a 5600x which would be even better for gaming and will easily last a good few years. They can be had used for about £160.

This is garbage advise. Zen 2 is slow as dirt compared to zen 3 and not even much cheaper. 

 

OP, DO NOT get a 3700x.

 

Get a 5600 for $129 and be done

 

That MOBO/GPU of yours isn't really 5800x3d worthy imo, the extra would be better spent just getting a better gpu

 

Just grab the 5600 for $129 and be done

[solado]

10 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

This is garbage advise. Zen 2 is slow as dirt compared to zen 3 and not even much cheaper. 

 

OP, DO NOT get a 3700x.

 

Get a 5600 for $129 and be done

 

That MOBO/GPU of yours isn't really 5800x3d worthy imo, the extra would be better spent just getting a better gpu

 

Just grab the 5600 for $129 and be done

Love how you barge in here with Ameribucks when we're in the UK and our pricing is completly different.

[Dedayog]

8 minutes ago, solado said:

Love how you barge in here with Ameribucks when we're in the UK and our pricing is completly different.

Then grab this

 

https://neocomputers.co.uk/shop-now/192-amd-ryzen-5-5600-cpu-with-wraith-stealth-cooler-am4-35ghz-44-turbo-6-core-65w-35mb-cache-7nm-5th-gen-no-graphics.html?tagrid=54064290

 

it's in those funky currency symbols that you guys like. 

 

[solado]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

Then grab this

 

https://neocomputers.co.uk/shop-now/192-amd-ryzen-5-5600-cpu-with-wraith-stealth-cooler-am4-35ghz-44-turbo-6-core-65w-35mb-cache-7nm-5th-gen-no-graphics.html?tagrid=54064290

 

it's in those funky currency symbols that you guys like. 

 

And yet the 5600x is cheaper.

As I said in the original post I made

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, solado said:

And yet the 5600x is cheaper.

As I said in the original post I made

Used.  Some don't like used, some do.  Doesn't make your post the end all be all.

 

OP's call.  If he goes used, I won't be salty.  Isn't a big deal.

[PDifolco]

23 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Used.  Some don't like used, some do.  Doesn't make your post the end all be all.

 

OP's call.  If he goes used, I won't be salty.  Isn't a big deal.

PCP tells the 5600 is £25 cheaper than the 5600X, the other way round makes no sense and cazn only be a special discount

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/g94BD3,PgcG3C/

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

PCP tells the 5600 is £25 cheaper than the 5600X, the other way round makes no sense and cazn only be a special discount

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/g94BD3,PgcG3C/

Correct, I linked the cheaper 5600.  The 5600x is only cheaper in the UK used, from what I can see.