Ryzen 5800x or ryzen 5900x for gaming?

[KyroEX]

Saw that the fps performance was pretty similar for both processors in a few videos I watched which got me a little confused to which I should buy seeing the 100 dollar price gap.

Its gonna be paired with an msi ventus 3x plus 12gig 3080 on a 1080p display (Ik it's overkill but I'll be upgrading down the road.)

Gonna be playing games like cod, fortnite, rust, minecraft, and basically any other generic fps games that come out in the future.

I do use blender in my free time but it's nothing like professional work and I mostly just mess around, I wouldn't put its performance as a necessity in my decision.

[Kid.Lazer]

1 minute ago, KyroEX said:

fps performance was pretty similar

1 minute ago, KyroEX said:

100 dollar price gap.

I think you know the answer.

[KyroEX]

Just now, Kid.Lazer said:

I think you know the answer.

Do you have a video or something that clearly explains things like core count, thread count, clock speed, etc. So I can get a better understanding for future stuff? 

It just seems weird to me that the 5900x has 50% more cores and threads but has a very miniscule performance increase

[tkitch]

for gaming:  The 5800x3D is the king of AMD AM4 Gaming chips.

 

(The extra cores from a 5900 or 5950 don't relaly do much for gaming, so not helpful.)

 

Basically:

 

Games can use a certain number of cores to run, mostly dependent on what the game engine is written in.  

IE:  Minecraft is almost entirely on 1 core, same for CS:GO and a number of other e-sports titles.

 

Some other games can use a few, such as valorant, or fortnite, I believe use ~4 Cores.  

 

Some high-end titles can utilize more, but they're much fewer and farther between.  Cyberpunk and a few other titles are examples here.  

 

Cores beyond what the engine can utilize don't increase performance in game, other than tangentially.  

[Kid.Lazer]

7 minutes ago, KyroEX said:

Do you have a video or something that clearly explains things like core count, thread count, clock speed, etc. So I can get a better understanding for future stuff?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any, sorry. I'm sure someone can chime in on that regard.

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It just seems weird to me that the 5900x has 50% more cores and threads but has a very miniscule performance increase

As a general explanation though, games usually can only properly utilize so many threads. We're at a point now where, for most tasks, we have far more cores than we need. The bigger reason the 59x0 CPUs perform even a little better than their smaller brothers in these cases is because they are better silicon, allowing higher clock speeds with less voltage/heat.

[jaslion]

Unless you are already on am4 a 12600k is the better gaming cpu. Of the 2 doesn't matter they perform the same.

[Tan3l6]

5 minutes ago, tkitch said:

for gaming:  The 5800x3D is the king of AMD AM4 Gaming chips.

 

(The extra cores from a 5900 or 5950 don't relaly do much for gaming, so not helpful.)

IMO not really worth $150-200€ difference with regular 5800X. Especially at 1440p and above, where GPU is the limiting factor in most cases.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2451-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-ryzen-5800x/

 

Also a reminder - AMD Zen 4 is releasing very soon.

[KyroEX]

9 minutes ago, Kid.Lazer said:

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any, sorry. I'm sure someone can chime in on that regard.

As a general explanation though, games usually can only properly utilize so many threads. We're at a point now where, for most tasks, we have far more cores than we need. The bigger reason the 59x0 CPUs perform even a little better than their smaller brothers in these cases is because they are better silicon, allowing higher clock speeds with less voltage/heat.

Oh,OK. Thank you!

[KyroEX]

8 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

IMO not really worth $150-200€ difference with regular 5800X. Especially at 1440p and above, where GPU is the limiting factor in most cases.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2451-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-ryzen-5800x/

 

Also a reminder - AMD Zen 4 is releasing very soon.

I didn't wanna have to buy a mobo+ddr5  AND a new cpu though

[KyroEX]

13 minutes ago, tkitch said:

for gaming:  The 5800x3D is the king of AMD AM4 Gaming chips.

 

(The extra cores from a 5900 or 5950 don't relaly do much for gaming, so not helpful.)

 

Basically:

 

Games can use a certain number of cores to run, mostly dependent on what the game engine is written in.  

IE:  Minecraft is almost entirely on 1 core, same for CS:GO and a number of other e-sports titles.

 

Some other games can use a few, such as valorant, or fortnite, I believe use ~4 Cores.  

 

Some high-end titles can utilize more, but they're much fewer and farther between.  Cyberpunk and a few other titles are examples here.  

 

Cores beyond what the engine can utilize don't increase performance in game, other than tangentially.  

There's actually shaders for minecraft that have a toggle which allows you to utilize multiple cores on your cpu which is pretty neat

[MLConian]

13 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Unless you are already on am4 a 12600k is the better gaming cpu. Of the 2 doesn't matter they perform the same.

Not at the same pricepoint though. A 12600K was way more expensive than a 5900X when I got my CPU - 3 weeks ago.

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, MLConian said:

Not at the same pricepoint though. A 12600K was way more expensive than a 5900X when I got my CPU - 3 weeks ago.

In the US, 12600k is $110 cheaper. How on earth did you pay more?

[jaslion]

6 minutes ago, MLConian said:

Not at the same pricepoint though. A 12600K was way more expensive than a 5900X when I got my CPU - 3 weeks ago.

Thats very unusual.

[MLConian]

8 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Thats very unusual.

12600K was €430, 5900X €380. Just did a quick Google search for prices around the world, seems I was just out of luck. 

[MonkeyBomb]

I went from a 5800x to a 5900x and noticed no difference except the 5900x ran a bit cooler.

If it wasn't free for me, I wouldn't have done it.

[GuiltySpark_]

Just now, MonkeyBomb said:

I went from a 5800x to a 5900x and noticed no difference except the 5900x ran a bit cooler.

If it wasn't free for me, I wouldn't have done it.

Not surprising, 8 cores enabled in a single CCD vs. 6 and 6. 

[jones177]

I have used both.

 

The 5900x is a lot more manageable. 

My 5800x was always ramping up the fans and I found it very annoying. The 5900x doesn't. It is always cool and quiet.

 

At 1080p with games that are CPU bound the 5900x wins.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider is CPU bound at 1080p.

With FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti    1080p    1440p

5800x                                198fps    163fps

5900x                                211fps     175fps

 

With games that are not CPU bound at 1080p they do about the same.

Horizon Zero Dawn on Ultra with a FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti 

                                            1080p    1440p

5800x                                  156fps    138fps    
5900x                                  156fps    138fps   

 

In an older hard to run games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey the 5900x wins but not by much.

 FRT3 Ultra 3080 ti             1080p    1440p

5800x                                  99fps       93fps    
5900x                                 104fps      93fps   

 

At 4k they both do the same.

 

I sold the 5800x because I did not like it compered to my i9 10900k and 5900x became my main gaming PC.

[TexasBulldog74]

FPS count isn't going to be very different, probably not noticeable but the extra cores of the 5900x is when your using it for almost everything outside of gaming. 5800x3d is $384 on amazing sold and shipped by Amazon and the 5900x is $387 sold and shipped by Amazon.  Id get the 5900x hands down with those extra 4 cores