3570k higher temps with custom-loop

[AdequateShrimp]

I've recently decided to upgrade from an H100i to a new custom-loop cooling solution, and since then I've seen my temps actually go up! My hottest core @100% load using prime95 before when using the h100i, was about 67-69C @4.7ghz with 1.240 v-core (EDIT: 1.225-1.256ish) and llc set to high. After fitting my new loop, my temps @100% have increased to somewhere in between 71-73 with the same v-core and llc. I've tried reseating cpu block and getting all of the air out of the loop( to my knowledge). I'm currently using Zalman's stg-2 thermal compound. I'm also currently thinking of delidding using the vice method if needed to replace Intel's terrible TIM (not concerned/scared about it).

 

Specs:

3570k @4.7ghz

Asus P8-z77 le plus

8Gb corsair vengeance

ocz 850W 80+gold semi-modular psu

2x gtx 660

 

watercooling:

xspc raystorm lga 1155

xspc photon 170 (410ml)

swiftech d5 pump with speed adj. (set to speed 5)

swiftech mcr320-xp rad (push/pull)

3/8id, 5/8od tubing (primochill clear)

 

and yes if any are wondering I painted my gpus to match my build colour of an nzxt switch 810.

[rhyseyness]

Magic?

That's very confusing, your temps should be better than with the H100i.

Try a different thermal compound? Although that's shouldn't make that much difference.

How much compound did you put on?

[DavidTheWin]

Is your pump speed set correctly? Fans all working?

[bbqsauce]

Did your ambient temp change?

 

ie. H100i in winter temps new loop during summer temps

[AdequateShrimp]

Magic?

That's very confusing, your temps should be better than with the H100i.

Try a different thermal compound? Although that's shouldn't make that much difference.

How much compound did you put on?

Enough to cover the entire IHS. I'm too cheap too, lol, Its just leftover from my buddy's old cooler since i just gave him the h100i for free, cause I'm nice eh.

 

Is your pump speed set correctly? Fans all working?

all fans set in between 1400-1600rpm push/pull

 

Did your ambient temp change?

 

ie. H100i in winter temps new loop during summer temps

just finished installing 4 days ago. So no seasonal change there. all quoted temps were mid day, rainy BC,canada so around 18-20ish in my room.

[MrYuriy]

 

I've recently decided to upgrade from an H100i to a new custom-loop cooling solution, and since then I've seen my temps actually go up! My hottest core @100% load using prime95 before when using the h100i, was about 67-69C @4.7ghz with 1.240 v-core and llc set to high. After fitting my new loop, my temps @100% have increased to somewhere in between 71-73 with the same v-core and llc. I've tried reseating cpu block and getting all of the air out of the loop( to my knowledge). I'm currently using Zalman's stg-2 thermal compound. I'm also currently thinking of delidding using the vice method if needed to replace Intel's terrible TIM (not concerned/scared about it).

 

Specs:

3570k @4.7ghz

Asus P8-z77 le plus

8Gb corsair vengeance

ocz 850W 80+gold semi-modular psu

2x gtx 660

 

watercooling:

xspc raystorm lga 1155

xspc photon 170 (410ml)

swiftech d5 pump with speed adj. (set to speed 5)

swiftech mcr320-xp rad (push/pull)

3/8id, 5/8od tubing (primochill clear)

 

and yes if any are wondering I painted my gpus to match my build colour of an nzxt switch 810.

 

You sure you didn't boil your water before filling your loop??  :blink:

Because that's just really odd.. I personally haven't bumped into this or heard about it but a few rare times (1-2 times).

The only things I can recommend is a.) re-do your thermal compound with a smaller amount (you mentioned you covered the IHS.. Try doing a pea-size and see if that changes it by even 1-2 degrees. If it does, then you'll have an idea of what your problem is/was. And b.) re-fill your loop, just in case, maybe something (even more odd than your problem) occurred such as air bubbles.

 

I'm interested in learning about what your problem may be..

As far as delidding, as long as you know what you're doing or have done it even 1 other time, you should be fine. It's not quite as scary as others make it out to be.

 

Now, as far as that picture, 2 things:

1) Is that an NZXT Phantom?

2) Why so much light?! A little too much..No? Mainly because I can see nearly all the light sources. 

[bbqsauce]

@AdequateShrimp well i'm stumped, this is a really strange issue

[AdequateShrimp]

You sure you didn't boil your water before filling your loop??  :blink:

Because that's just really odd.. I personally haven't bumped into this or heard about it but a few rare times (1-3 times) in 5+ years.. But that's just me.

 

I'm interested in learning about what your problem may be..

As far as delidding, as long as you know what you're doing or have done it even 1 other time, you should be fine. It's not quite as scary as others make it out to be.

 

Now, as far as that picture, 2 things:

1) Is that an NZXT Phantom?

2) Why so much light?! A little too much..No? Mainly because I can see nearly all the light sources. 

if you want i'll run a quick burn test and post results... its currently night here and i have the window open.. my best guess would be 14C current room temp though. lighting is provided by cold cathodes, and sleeved leds.(dont create much heat compared to old conventional lights) so that aint a problem... case is an NZXT switch 810... i also delidded an old pentium about 6 months ago, just fine. its seems bright because its night and well im using a phone camera

[rhyseyness]

Enough to cover the entire IHS. I'm too cheap too, lol, Its just leftover from my buddy's old cooler since i just gave him the h100i for free, cause I'm nice eh.

I'd reapply some shiney new thermal paste.

You only want to put a "strip" the size of an uncooked grain of rice down the middle of the IHS.

Then when you put the block on, it'll spread to cover enough of the IHS.

Sounds like you might have put too much on, and it's old too which isn't gonna help matter.

Use IC diamond or arctic silver.

Hope this helps!

[TheNinjaNextDor]

How long has it been running?

[AdequateShrimp]

room temp is about 14-16C

[AdequateShrimp]

How long has it been running?

about 8 mins but after running for about 2 hours i didnt see any changes in temperatures after those.

[TheNinjaNextDor]

about 8 mins but after running for about 2 hours i didnt see any changes in temperatures after those.

I bet it's bubbles.

[AdequateShrimp]

I bet it's bubbles.

possibly, i know ive removed all from pump and res, not sure if any in the cpu block or rad, will check tomorrow thanks for advice

 

I'd reapply some shiney new thermal paste.

You only want to put a "strip" the size of an uncooked grain of rice down the middle of the IHS.

Then when you put the block on, it'll spread to cover enough of the IHS.

Sounds like you might have put too much on, and it's old too which isn't gonna help matter.

Use IC diamond or arctic silver.

Hope this helps!

first time I put to little (temps where about 2-3C higher) 2nd time was just right, so i reseated again... but maybe im wrong thanks for help though .. For those above the TIM has been properly sealed and is rougly only 5 months old with the same consistency as when it was first opened.

[topsu]

Shake the case around, if you hear the water moving there are large airbubles somewhere.

[paulstung]

Did you say, enough tim to cover the entire IHS ? if so that's way too much, you only need a small pea sized amount in the centre, the block will spread it.

[AdequateShrimp]

Did you say, enough tim to cover the entire IHS ? if so that's way too much, you only need a small pea sized amount in the centre, the block will spread it.

As in enough to cover the ihs when the block is seated...so in otherwords the size of a piece of rice was what i used... sorry for confusion to all.

[AdequateShrimp]

i can now say that air bubbles were a minor factor in my dilemma.. thanks to "Theninjanextdor" for the tip. However I'm still seeing temps that are now on par with my old h100i from between 68C to 70ish, which to me still seems quite high considering custom loops are meant to outperform AIO coolers. I am considering driving to the closest ncix quickly and picking up some mx-4, other than that, anybody else have other possible suggestions.

[Bagmup]

i can now say that air bubbles were a minor factor in my dilemma.. thanks to "Theninjanextdor" for the tip. However I'm still seeing temps that are now on par with my old h100i from between 68C to 70ish, which to me still seems quite high considering custom loops are meant to outperform AIO coolers. I am considering driving to the closest ncix quickly and picking up some mx-4, other than that, anybody else have other possible suggestions.

 

Are you running the pump at full speed? If you are, try turning it down to 3.

[magecrafts]

Things that could affect temperature that I can think off..

1. Bad mount.

2. Thermal Paste

3. Fans (maybe for some silly reason you had pull/pull on two of your fans?)

4. Ambient temps

5. Blocked radiator fins

[AdequateShrimp]

Are you running the pump at full speed? If you are, try turning it down to 3.

turned down to speed 3/5 negligible difference. rougly 1C difference

 

Things that could affect temperature that I can think off..

1. Bad mount.

2. Thermal Paste

3. Fans (maybe for some silly reason you had pull/pull on two of your fans?)

4. Ambient temps

5. Blocked radiator fins

1)Nope I've remounted 4 times each time twisting the screws equal amounts and evenly.

2)possibly, I've tried 2 types now the xspc k2 and zalman stg-2, they're not the best but they shouldnt bet making a huge difference.

3)nope, 3 pushers, 3 pullers

4)ambients are about 21-24 currently, previous night I tested and got the same results except had an ambient of about 14-16C (maybe a degree or 2 lower)

5)The pump is pushing a reasonable amount of fluid through the rad (when i was cleaning the loop out with distilled water)

[Leonard]

Things that could affect temperature that I can think off..

1. Bad mount.

2. Thermal Paste

3. Fans (maybe for some silly reason you had pull/pull on two of your fans?)

4. Ambient temps

5. Blocked radiator fins

^^^has some good tips for you to check out @AdequateShrimp and also, do you have you inlets and outlets connected properly.

[AdequateShrimp]

^^^has some good tips for you to check out @AdequateShrimp and also, do you have you inlets and outlets connected properly.

Yes, the inlets and outlets are setup correctly, dont know if you can see that though in the attached photo on the first post.

[Leonard]

Yes, the inlets and outlets are setup correctly, dont know if you can see that though in the attached photo on the first post.

i saw a tube attached to the inlet and outlet of the CPU block but what i meant was are you sure that the flow through out the whole loop is like the outlet of the CPU to the inlet of another part and that part's outlet to the inlet of another part and so on and so on......follow. The custom loop should give much better temperatures that the H100. Maybe an air bubble is lodged some where in the pump or radiator, have you given your system a little shake to dislodge any air bubbles?

[AdequateShrimp]

i saw a tube attached to the inlet and outlet of the CPU block but what i meant was are you sure that the flow through out the whole loop is like the outlet of the CPU to the inlet of another part and that part's outlet to the inlet of another part and so on and so on......follow. The custom loop should give much better temperatures that the H100. Maybe an air bubble is lodged some where in the pump or radiator, have you given your system a little shake to dislodge any air bubbles?

Im 99% positive that the loop is properly set up (res to pump in, pump outlet to block in , block out to rad (no specified inlet or outlet) then from rad to res. Rinse, repeat... I've shaken the loop like theres no tomorrow (figuratively), Ive tipped and leaned my case also being careful to not let bubbles form in res... I honestly cant think of anything else. Can the cpu VRM have anything to do with this, or perhaps is the TIM under the ihs at its maximum thermal conductivty and cant dissipate the heat fast enough,... idk just throughing things out, i really have no idea