New Build - Please Advice

[Oli515]

Hey everyone,

 

I am helping a friend with his new gaming computer. 

 

Budget (including currency): up to about 2000 Euro - doesn't hurt if it costs less

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly Gaming: War Thunder, Warzone, Ark Survival Evolved, Minecraft, Crusader Kings, Total War Warhammer (basicly all of them), Hell let lose

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Primary Display: Asus MG28U (As far as I know 4k 60Hz), Case (Enermax Thormax Giant) and Power Supply (CP-750W Plus - its called CombatPower and seems to be more on the low end, it doesn't have a 80+ Rating)

 

So far I planned the following build: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RhwXMb
Intel Core i7 - 12700K

Noctua NH-D15

Asus Prime Z690-P Wifi D4

Cosair Vengeance PFB PRO SL 32 GB (3600MHz CL18)

Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB 

Inno3D GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB

Cost: Around 1500 Euro

 

A few background informations:

Right now he is using an i7 6700K and a GTX 1080. 

 

He recently bought the new GPU which didn't arrive so he got the money back. I only added the card because he wanted to get it. I just realized that the RTX 3060 seems to be worse (at least according to userbenchmark.com) then the GTX 1080. I think he should at least get a RTX 3070 if he wants a upgrade and use the 12700K better. I am just wondering: The RTX 3060 has 50% more memory then the RTX 3070, which could come in handy in games like Warzone.  If he goes for a 3070 he would for sure need a besser PSU (well, I would advise one even with the 3060).

 

Right now I am a bit clueless if an upgrade will be any good and if a RTX 3060 would be worth spending money.

 

What do you think? Can somebody advise me what the best build for this budget would be?

[Ryuikko]

A 3060 will struggle with 4k Gaming, you'd probably have to get a 3080 12gb or 6900xt equivalent like this 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/D3LBFg

12400f since that's really all thats needed for gaming

Cheap cooler to keep the cpu cool

Good board for the price

Same kit of ram but 3200 cl16

Cheaper 2tb storage and a 3080 instead of a 3060

 

Edit* get as psu as well. I've never heard of a combat power psu and is most likely a fire hazard ( you could probably post and ask about it in the psu section of the fourms)

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8ZJgXL/fractal-design-ion-gold-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-fd-p-ia2g-850

This is a good replacement 

[PDifolco]

A 3060 to run TWW3 at 4K ? Haha that's asking for trouble !  Don't wanna try CP2077 too ? 

Get a 3080...

[RONOTHAN##]

58 minutes ago, Oli515 said:

I just realized that the RTX 3060 seems to be worse (at least according to userbenchmark.com) then the GTX 1080

User benchmark is worthless for GPU comparisons, a 3060 is the undeniably better GPU. It's not up to the task of those games at 4K like you want, but it is still a better card. 

 

If you're building today, go i5 12400F and a B660 board so you can fit a 3080 class GPU in there. The i5 is still a really solid CPU, and for what you're doing you don't need that much CPU, and that money really should be put into the GPU instead. 

 

That said, I'd wait for AM5 to launch before getting anything. Even if you don't go AM5, it'll push AM4 gear to go on clearance and you can get a really good deal on something like a 5700X or maybe 5800X3D if you're lucky. AM5 will be announced by the end of the month, so it's not like you've got to wait long. 

[Oli515]

Yeah I guess that makes sense - do you guys think its worth to just upgrade to a new PSU (I don't trust the old one, I am thinking seasonic focus 850W?) and a 3080? Or can the 6700K just not keep up?

[Ryuikko]

24 minutes ago, Oli515 said:

Yeah I guess that makes sense - do you guys think its worth to just upgrade to a new PSU (I don't trust the old one, I am thinking seasonic focus 850W?) and a 3080? Or can the 6700K just not keep up?

I've personally never heard of that psu, but someone else might be able to help with that, I'd go with another one personally. You'd probably see some perfromance loss at 4k with the 6700k, so an upgrade might be ideal, but it can still be used for plex server or a Nas array if wanted.

There are some problems with seasonics focus lineup and noise on their 12v rail, the one  I linked appears to be the cheapest 850 that's good quality on pcpartpicker

[Jeppes]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€189.00 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: SilentiumPC Fera 5 CPU Cooler  (€30.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€126.99 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€57.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€169.90 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Palit GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GamingPro Video Card  (€849.00 @ Mindfactory)
Case: SilentiumPC Ventum VT4V EVO TG ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€95.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€5.69 @ Alza)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€5.69 @ Alza)
Total: €1585.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-20 01:22 CEST+0200

[NF-A12x25]

1 hour ago, Jeppes said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€189.00 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: SilentiumPC Fera 5 CPU Cooler  (€30.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€126.99 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€57.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€169.90 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Palit GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GamingPro Video Card  (€849.00 @ Mindfactory)
Case: SilentiumPC Ventum VT4V EVO TG ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€95.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€5.69 @ Alza)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€5.69 @ Alza)
Total: €1585.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-20 01:22 CEST+0200

I wouldn’t go with AMD on this one unless it’s built after the release of AM5 when AM4 prices plummet, I’d go 12400F and B660 mobo