Windows 10 hates me?

[Stan Dad]

My current pc is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz, Asus Sabertooth x79 LGA2011, ram is DDR3-1866....it's 10 years old.

 

I run windows 10 on an ssd...and it hates me.  I get blue screens of death at least twice a month (usually right after a windows update).  Today was the second time the boot files were lost....overnight....while the computer was off.  I have had to utilize the windows disk to fix things far more times since I installed win10 than any other windows I have ever used (my first windows was 3.1).

 

This past time the boot files were lost, I had to reinstall and this time it is SOOO SLOW.  I will admit this ssd is 10 years old and may be the problem, but the other ssd that I was using for win10 was only about 3 years old and having all those problems.

 

I plan to buy a new ssd and install windows on that....but I have to ask....is this because I have a 10 year old rig?  I have run into issues before where this or that wouldn't run because my cpu was too old.  I know windows 11 won't run with my cpu (or at least that's what I read).

 

Thoughts?

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, Stan Dad said:

Today was the second time the boot files were lost....overnight....while the computer was off.

since the computer was turned off, I would suspect a failure in the storage device, or the power supply is damaging your SSD

[An0maly_76]

Age is not out of the realm of possibility, but full specs would help us to help you. You could simply have an SSD that is dying of old age. They only can write so much data before they become useless.

[-rascal-]

This sounds like a failing or heavily degraded SSD -- the NAND flash memory chips are no longer able to hold a proper bit.

Can you run a quick health check on the SSD?

I.E. CrystalDiskInfo: https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

[Queen Chrysalis]

Another possibility, what kind of cables do you use for your display?  If you have old or crappy DP cables there is something I dealt with last winter that may be of interest.

[Stan Dad]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskInfo 8.16.4 (C) 2008-2022 hiyohiyo
                                Crystal Dew World: https://crystalmark.info/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    OS : Windows 10  [10.0 Build 19042] (x64)
  Date : 2022/05/04 18:52:50

-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
 - Standard SATA AHCI Controller [ATA]
 + Standard SATA AHCI Controller [ATA]
   - Samsung SSD 840 Series
   - Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB
   - SanDisk SSD PLUS 1000GB
   - ST2000DM001-1CH164
   - HL-DT-ST BD-RE  BH14NS40
 + Standard SATA AHCI Controller [ATA]
   - Marvell 91xx Config
 - Microsoft Storage Spaces Controller [SCSI]

-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
 (01) Samsung SSD 840 Series : 250.0 GB [0/2/0, pd1] - sg
 (02) Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB : 250.0 GB [1/2/0, pd1] - sg
 (03) SanDisk SSD PLUS 1000GB : 1000.2 GB [2/2/0, pd1] - sd
 (04) ST2000DM001-1CH164 : 2000.3 GB [3/2/0, pd1]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (01) Samsung SSD 840 Series
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Model : Samsung SSD 840 Series
        Firmware : DXT06B0Q
   Serial Number : S14GNEACA41030T
       Disk Size : 250.0 GB (8.4/137.4/250.0/250.0)
     Buffer Size : Unknown
     Queue Depth : 32
    # of Sectors : 488397168
   Rotation Rate : ---- (SSD)
       Interface : Serial ATA
   Major Version : ACS-2
   Minor Version : ATA8-ACS version 4c
   Transfer Mode : SATA/600 | SATA/600
  Power On Hours : 31551 hours
  Power On Count : 3897 count
     Host Writes : 2041 GB
Wear Level Count : 132
     Temperature : 31 C (87 F)
   Health Status : Good (86 %)
        Features : S.M.A.R.T., NCQ, TRIM, DevSleep
       APM Level : ----
       AAM Level : ----
    Drive Letter : C: D:

 

 

 

=========================================

 

86% was the 10 year old drive.  The newer one was at 97%

[Stan Dad]

1 minute ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Another possibility, what kind of cables do you use for your display?  If you have old or crappy DP cables there is something I dealt with last winter that may be of interest.

I use hdmi for my main monitor.  I use DP rarely for my pen display, and I got that display about 6 months ago.

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Stan Dad said:

I use hdmi for my main monitor.  I use DP rarely for my pen display, and I got that display about 6 months ago.

Ok probably not then.  long story short, bad DP connections CAN  send innapropriate voltage back through PCIe bus via DP comms, and that can cause instability with the seating of NVMe drives.  But this doesn't seem to be the case.

[-rascal-]

CrystalDiskInfo should give you additional information....such as:

• Error rate
• Error count
• Reallocated NAND blocks
• etc

 

[Stan Dad]

[Bitter]

I had a Mushkin Chronos 500GB SSD fail on me after about 2TBW with a good drive health rating, started getting really slow to write then during an update it died and wouldn't boot anymore, kept throwing errors for different files needed for boot. I was able to clone it then repair the damaged installation and was OK on a new Samsung SSD. I wouldn't rule out that as possible, nor would I rule out a SATA cable or connection issue. SSD's are fairly cheap and always useful, try cloning to a new drive then running some Windows repair tools like SFC and DISM to make sure the install is healthy. Another possibility is that the CPU or RAM aren't stable. You have an i7 K but you're not overclocked? Is 1866 the memories native frequency? What voltage is the memory running? What timings?

[Stan Dad]

I didn't overclock anything.  That was a project I had in the works before I had kids.  If there is a way for me to check that info, I don't know it.  So I'll just say standard.

[Bitter]

CPU-Z should show memory information.

[xAcid9]

I have an OCZ150 that gave me bunch of BSOD and eventually corrupted my OS even after multiple format and reinstall. The drive health is Good.

I suspect the SSD controller was throwing bunch of data error or something. 

 

1) can you share us the BSOD log file?

2) you totally can install Windows 11 with a little help. 

[Stan Dad]

1 hour ago, Bitter said:

I had a Mushkin Chronos 500GB SSD fail on me after about 2TBW with a good drive health rating, started getting really slow to write then during an update it died and wouldn't boot anymore, kept throwing errors for different files needed for boot. I was able to clone it then repair the damaged installation and was OK on a new Samsung SSD. I wouldn't rule out that as possible, nor would I rule out a SATA cable or connection issue. SSD's are fairly cheap and always useful, try cloning to a new drive then running some Windows repair tools like SFC and DISM to make sure the install is healthy. Another possibility is that the CPU or RAM aren't stable. You have an i7 K but you're not overclocked? Is 1866 the memories native frequency? What voltage is the memory running? What timings?

Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #				1
	SMBus address		0x50
	Memory type		DDR3
	Module format		UDIMM
	Module Manufacturer(ID)	G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000000000)
	SDRAM Manufacturer (ID)	G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000000000)
	Size			4096 MBytes
	Max bandwidth		PC3-14900 (933 MHz)
	Max JEDEC		PC3-12800 (800 MHz)
	Part number		F3-14900CL9-4GBSR
	Number of banks		8
	Nominal Voltage		1.50 Volts
	EPP			no
	XMP			yes, rev. 1.3
	AMP			no
JEDEC timings table		CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
	JEDEC #1		6.0-6-6-16-22 @ 457 MHz
	JEDEC #2		7.0-7-7-19-26 @ 533 MHz
	JEDEC #3		8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
	JEDEC #4		9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 685 MHz
	JEDEC #5		10.0-10-10-27-37 @ 761 MHz
	JEDEC #6		11.0-11-11-28-39 @ 800 MHz
XMP profile			XMP-1866
	Specification		PC3-14900
	VDD Voltage		1.500 Volts
	Min Cycle time		1.071 ns (933 MHz)
	Max CL			9.0
	Min tRP			9.24 ns
	Min tRCD		10.16 ns
	Min tWR			14.88 ns
	Min tRAS		29.50 ns
	Min tRC			39.25 ns
	Min tRFC		160.00 ns
	Min tRTP		7.50 ns
	Min tRRD		5.00 ns
	Command Rate		2T
XMP timings table		CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
	XMP #1			9.0-10-9-28-37-2T @ 933 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP profile			XMP-1866
	Specification		PC3-14900
	VDD Voltage		1.500 Volts
	Min Cycle time		1.071 ns (933 MHz)
	Max CL			9.0
	Min tRP			9.32 ns
	Min tRCD		10.39 ns
	Min tWR			15.00 ns
	Min tRAS		29.68 ns
	Min tRC			39.32 ns
	Min tRFC		160.18 ns
	Min tRTP		7.50 ns
	Min tRRD		4.93 ns
	Command Rate		1T
XMP timings table		CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
	XMP #1			9.0-10-9-28-37-1T @ 933 MHz (1.500 Volts)

 

[RollyShed]

3 hours ago, Stan Dad said:

I run windows 10 on an ssd...and it hates me.  I get blue screens of death at least twice a month (usually right after a windows update).  Today was the second time the boot files were lost....overnight....while the computer was off.

So what's new? October 2018 MS totally wiped about a million computers with their update. The computers went back to Win7 and no data. Every update before that in 2018 wiped drivers, printer and screen. It has since then, happened again, and again, and again.

Fortunately, since 2018, none here run Windows.

[Stan Dad]

22 minutes ago, RollyShed said:

So what's new? October 2018 MS totally wiped about a million computers with their update. The computers went back to Win7 and no data. Every update before that in 2018 wiped drivers, printer and screen. It has since then, happened again, and again, and again.

Fortunately, since 2018, none here run Windows.

This is why I still remember win98se with fond memories.  That thing never gave me problems.....unless I did something I shouldn't have, usually with DOS (sorry dad, he used to get so angry).

[Bitter]

1.5 volts seems a little low for 1866 and those timings but if it's especially well binned memory it's possible. I assume it's currently running one of the two XMP profiles? Should be a tab that tells what it's doing right now, not just what it's possible to be running.

[Stan Dad]

9 minutes ago, Bitter said:

1.5 volts seems a little low for 1866 and those timings but if it's especially well binned memory it's possible. I assume it's currently running one of the two XMP profiles? Should be a tab that tells what it's doing right now, not just what it's possible to be running.

The only thing I can see (that might differentiate the two profiles) is that the memory tab says it's running command rate 1T.  It might be there and my chronic lack of sleep might doesn't see it.