i need help

[yo i like pugs]

guys i need help i dont know what power supply or cpu i can upgrade to bcs i want to upgrade to a i7 and 500watt powersupply here is the pc specs 

 

Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz   3.10 GHz
Installed RAM    12.0 GB (11.9 GB usable)
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
and 320watt power supply 

 

 

so yeah can yall help me

 

[Tech87]

4 minutes ago, yo i like pugs said:

guys i need help i dont know what power supply or cpu i can upgrade to bcs i want to upgrade to a i7 and 500watt powersupply here is the pc specs 

 

Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz   3.10 GHz
Installed RAM    12.0 GB (11.9 GB usable)
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
and 320watt power supply 

 

 

so yeah can yall help me

 

What kind of mobo do you have, what will you be using the computer for, and how much is your upgrade budget?

[svmlegacy]

5 minutes ago, yo i like pugs said:

guys i need help i dont know what power supply or cpu i can upgrade to bcs i want to upgrade to a i7 and 500watt powersupply here is the pc specs 

 

Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz   3.10 GHz
Installed RAM    12.0 GB (11.9 GB usable)
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
and 320watt power supply 

 

 

so yeah can yall help me

 

Drop in a Core i7-2600 and call it a day.

[PlaybyEar]

CPU for a i7 would be the i7 2600. Decent enough chip for an older guy, I am running one myself for the moment. 

 

Power supply, anything from Corsair or Seasonic with a gold rating should be solid.

[Middcore]

Make your thread titles descriptive of the issue so people with relevant knowledge notice it. Every week there are dozens of threads just called "pls help" or something like that, there have been 2-3 just this evening. Nobody can tell them apart or know what the issue is.

 

The best CPU that's likely compatible with your motherboard is an i7-2600. However, this system is so old it's questionable whether it's worth putting any money into upgrading it. How did you determine you want a 500W PSU? What do you want to do with the PC that you can't currently do?

 

In general, never buy a PSU based on brand or 80+ rating; all the major brands sell good and bad units, and 80+ is a measure of efficiency, not quality.

[yo i like pugs]

19 minutes ago, Tech87 said:

What kind of mobo do you have, what will you be using the computer for, and how much is your upgrade budget?

what is a mobo and 500$

[Middcore]

1 minute ago, yo i like pugs said:

what is a mobo

 

Motherboard.

 

You ignored his question about what you're using the computer for. What is the goal of this upgrade? Depending on what it is, it may or may not be feasible to spend money on. 

[PlaybyEar]

11 minutes ago, Middcore said:

In general, never buy a PSU based on brand or 80+ rating; all the major brands sell good and bad units, and 80+ is a measure of efficiency, not quality.

Never buy something based on efficiency ratings or historical brand reliability? 

In what market or industry does that advice remotely hold water?

[Middcore]

9 minutes ago, PlaybyEar said:

Never buy something based on efficiency ratings or historical brand reliability? 

In what market or industry does that advice remotely hold water?

 

Most of the big-name PSU brands don't even manufacture the units they sell. They either contract out to an OEM to build a design, or just buy an "off the shelf" unit and relabel it. The result is that all of them are all over the map in quality from model to model. 

 

"Historical brand reliability" is meaningless. You can find someone who swears by every major brand, and someone with an "I'll never buy from them again" horror story for every major brand. 

 

Efficiency ratings are just that, a measure of how efficiently the unit can operate under controlled conditions. For most people the difference between, say, an 80+ Gold PSU and an 80+ Bronze PSU won't even be noticeable on their monthly electricity bill. It says nothing about whether the unit's design is modern, or whether it was made with quality components and will last - all it says is how many wasted watts get pulled from the wall. 

[yo i like pugs]

3 minutes ago, Caroline said:

a motherboard

For a power supply you could get a Corsair CX450m, you don't really need more than that unless you're adding a graphics card.

 

 

 

The amount of times I've said this is just too much, yet comments like

keep popping up in threads, it's... sad.

 

I'll refrain from using massive red text and flashing arrows and just say: 

 

An energy efficiency rating is NOT (under NO circumstances) a synonym of quality. The same applies for brand, Corsair has TERRIBLE units (to pair with high end builds) like the orange label VS or the new CS, Seasonic has them as well *cough* S12-II *cough*, every brand has bad and good units so saying heh just buy a Corsair is simply being blatant ignorant and misinforming users asking for help that are not always tech-savvy.

yeah i am going to add a gt 750

[PlaybyEar]

My deepest apologies for the offensive thing I did trying to offer a suggestion. Please allow me to rectify my blatant ignorance and willful misinformation of the less tech-savvy. 

"There is no help for you with this question, please select a series of random objects from the internet and throw them into your computer. Best of luck." 

[Middcore]

Just now, PlaybyEar said:

My deepest apologies for the offensive thing I did trying to offer a suggestion.

Offering a poor suggestion isn't offensive. Getting huffy when better-informed people tell you why it's a poor suggestion won't make you popular, though. 

 

Just now, PlaybyEar said:

"There is no help for you with this question, please select a serious of random objects from the internet and throw them into your computer. Best of luck." 

 

Or, you could take advantage of the freely and readily available information out there on which PSU's are better and which are worse as determined by experts who actually understand how they're designed and built, some of whom (not including me) actually post on this forum.

 

There are options in between "Blind loyalty to a logo" and "Pick at random in despair." 

[PlaybyEar]

2 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Offering a poor suggestion isn't offensive. Getting huffy when better-informed people tell you why it's a poor suggestion won't make you popular, though. 

 

 

Or, you could take advantage of the freely and readily available information out there on which PSU's are better and which are worse as determined by experts who actually understand how they're designed and built, some of whom (not including me) actually post on this forum.

 

There are options in between "Blind loyalty to a logo" and "Pick at random in despair." 

Wow, you are absolutely right, I did come off huffy in my previous, I am really sorry about that, was definitely not my intention there. 

I was really just trying to say that track records and standards DO matter. They are not a guarantee, the only guarantee in life is death, but to completely discount those two factors seems a little foolish, ESPECIALLY if someone is completely new to the tech world. 

Again, very sorry I came off in a bad way there, was not at all my intention and thanks for calling me on it. 

[Middcore]

2 minutes ago, PlaybyEar said:

Wow, you are absolutely right, I did come off huffy in my previous, I am really sorry about that, was definitely not my intention there. 

I was really just trying to say that track records and standards DO matter. They are not a guarantee, the only guarantee in life is death, but to completely discount those two factors seems a little foolish, ESPECIALLY if someone is completely new to the tech world. 

Again, very sorry I came off in a bad way there, was not at all my intention and thanks for calling me on it. 

 

Don't worry about it.

 

The thing is that people who are new to the PC world tend to overestimate the importance of brand already because, let's face it, the number of options and things to consider is confusing and overwhelming and so they hope there's a shortcut heuristic like "Brand A is good, Brand B is bad." But it just doesn't work like that, and it especially doesn't work like that for PSU's, and if there's one part of your build you really don't want to make a bad pick, it's the PSU. So if we reacted a little harshly, it's a combination of frustration at seeing things like "Just buy EVGA (or Corsair or SeaSonic)" too many times despite the best efforts to debunk it, and wanting to make sure that a newbie who is already susceptible to buying based on brand doesn't get the wrong idea. I certainly don't think you were trying to misinform anybody on purpose. 

[yo i like pugs]

bruh the went south and off topic

[PlaybyEar]

5 minutes ago, yo i like pugs said:

bruh the went south and off topic

Sorry about that, entirely my fault. The i7 2600 is your answer for your CPU question though. I wouldn't spend much money on it though, I've been happy with mine, and it had treated me well for a long time... The operative thought in 2022 though is the long time part. 

[Middcore]

4 minutes ago, yo i like pugs said:

bruh the went south and off topic

 

It's a valuable discussion.

 

Since you refuse to provide information about what your goals are with this upgrade despite people asking repeatedly, there's a limited amount of "on topic" advice anybody can give you. 

[PlaybyEar]

18 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

Don't worry about it.

 

The thing is that people who are new to the PC world tend to overestimate the importance of brand already because, let's face it, the number of options and things to consider is confusing and overwhelming and so they hope there's a shortcut heuristic like "Brand A is good, Brand B is bad." But it just doesn't work like that, and it especially doesn't work like that for PSU's, and if there's one part of your build you really don't want to make a bad pick, it's the PSU. So if we reacted a little harshly, it's a combination of frustration at seeing things like "Just buy EVGA (or Corsair or SeaSonic)" too many times despite the best efforts to debunk it, and wanting to make sure that a newbie who is already susceptible to buying based on brand doesn't get the wrong idea. I certainly don't think you were trying to misinform anybody on purpose. 

This absolutely makes sense here, and while I understand the importance of PSU, I might be guilty of "shortcutting" that decision in the past. If I may ask for my own edification, is there some form of checklist or thought process that you use when selecting something like a PSU other than "These brands have generally treated me well and this particular unit seems to be well received"?