is i5 3570k still good?

[PLSHELPME123]

planning to upgrade from a8 6600k to i5 3570k i play valorant,cs and some very light games is it still good? and when upgrading pc is the motherboard and cpu the only one i need to upgrade? ram in some cases but its still ddr3 so its still fine but how about the others? my cpu cooler is compatible with lga1155 too so is those two the only one i need to buy? this is the mobo im planning to buy btw https://shopee.ph/ASUS-P8B75-M-bm6635-3RD-GEN-Motherboard-Socket-LGA-1155-i3-i5-i7-DDR3-USED-Mainboard-i.202863055.5957142573 around 95$ for B75 Mobo and i5 3570k

[AlvinHoxha]

yes its kinda good but for 1-2 years.

[PLSHELPME123]

Just now, AlvinHoxha said:

yes its kinda good but for 1-2 years.

but wdym by 1-2 years? because playing valorant with my a8 6600k 2x4gb ram 1600mhz without gpu gives me stable 60fps even when in deathmatch and im gonna pair it up with something like gtx 460 because gpu prices are high rn and i found a 460 for 35$ which is a good deal in my country im from philippines btw

[SupaKomputa]

go to aliexpress and search "xeon x79 motherboard combo".

for $100 you can get a 6 core xeon cpu with motherboard, and memory if you're lucky.

[AlvinHoxha]

Just now, SupaKomputa said:

go to aliexpress and search "xeon x79 motherboard combo".

for $100 you can get a 6 core xeon cpu with motherboard, and memory if you're lucky.

he is right. go get a xeon from aliexpress

[AlvinHoxha]

1 minute ago, PLSHELPME123 said:

but wdym by 1-2 years? because playing valorant with my a8 6600k 2x4gb ram 1600mhz without gpu gives me stable 60fps even when in deathmatch and im gonna pair it up with something like gtx 460 because gpu prices are high rn and i found a 460 for 35$ which is a good deal in my country im from philippines btw

after 2 years this cpu is old

[ki8aras]

bro im gaming on an i7 920 and i don't have any problems, you'll be fine 

[KaitouX]

4 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

bro im gaming on an i7 920 and i don't have any problems, you'll be fine 

You're underestimating the difference hyperthreading makes. While the average framerate will be fine CPUs without HT and low(er) core count suffer from horrible 1% lows in many games.

[Alex Atkin UK]

29 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

bro im gaming on an i7 920 and i don't have any problems, you'll be fine 

Yet.  The 1-2 years claim is because by that time games should be focusing on the current consoles as minimum specs which will push up CPU requirements.

[PLSHELPME123]

2 hours ago, SupaKomputa said:

go to aliexpress and search "xeon x79 motherboard combo".

for $100 you can get a 6 core xeon cpu with motherboard, and memory if you're lucky.

is this mobo compatible https://shopee.ph/X79-Motherboard-mATX-INTEL-LGA-2011-Mainboard-i.482399746.12612719456 with e5 1650 v3?

[freeagent]

I have a 3770K running at 4600MHz for my kids to play their games on. I mean, it’s no 5900X, but it still works

 

Just need a board and my kids are instantly upgraded to a 5600X. 3770K is begging to be retired..

[PLSHELPME123]

Just now, freeagent said:

I have a 3770K running at 4600MHz for my kids to play their games on. I mean, it’s no 5900X, but it still works

 

Just need a board and my kids are instantly upgraded to a 5600X. 3770K is begging to be retired..

my cousins pc have a i7 3770 and rx 570 and it still games fine so im wondering if its still good or not since im not rich 

[freeagent]

Just now, PLSHELPME123 said:

my cousins pc have a i7 3770 and rx 570 and it still games fine so im wondering if its still good or not since im not rich 

I don’t know about the i5, but the i7 is still ok. Surprising for being 10 years old. But I am just a boring user, not a power user.. sometimes.. but not with that machine

[SupaKomputa]

57 minutes ago, PLSHELPME123 said:

is this mobo compatible https://shopee.ph/X79-Motherboard-mATX-INTEL-LGA-2011-Mainboard-i.482399746.12612719456 with e5 1650 v3?

No. You can use xeon v1 (usually not written), or v2 for X79 (LGA 2011) motherboard.

If you want to use v3, you need to use x99 (LGA 2011-v3).

I say v2 is good enough, x99 is a little bit more expensive not worth it for these old system.

[KaitouX]

For reference on the 4C/4T and 4C/8T:

The i3 10100/Ryzen 3 3100 are 4C/8T CPUs similar to the mentioned i7 920 and 3770K, while the 9100F is a 4C/4T CPU similar to the 3570K

The image above showing the difference on average, with the worst cases being the difference between a smooth experience and a bad one.

[YoungBlade]

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

For reference on the 4C/4T and 4C/8T:

The i3 10100/Ryzen 3 3100 are 4C/8T CPUs similar to the mentioned i7 920 and 3770K, while the 9100F is a 4C/4T CPU similar to the 3570K

The image above showing the difference on average, with the worst cases being the difference between a smooth experience and a bad one.

Core and thread count can only be truly compared in the context of the same architecture. 9th and 10th gen are both basically the same in that regard, so fair enough, but the i7 920 and i5 3570K are fundamentally different CPUs. If you could find charts comparing the two, I'd wager that the i5 would have better averages and 1% lows both. Ivy Bridge is a way better architecture than Bloomfield, with a massive IPC improvement and ability to clock higher that combined easily overcomes the advantages of HyperThreading.

 

Comparing the 3770K and 3570K is fair enough - the 3770K is going to be much better. The difference you are showing there will be the case. However, the i7 920 is nowhere near the performance of the 3770K.

[BahnStormer]

9 hours ago, PLSHELPME123 said:

planning to upgrade from a8 6600k to i5 3570k i play valorant,cs and some very light games is it still good? and when upgrading pc is the motherboard and cpu the only one i need to upgrade? ram in some cases but its still ddr3 so its still fine but how about the others? my cpu cooler is compatible with lga1155 too so is those two the only one i need to buy? this is the mobo im planning to buy btw https://shopee.ph/ASUS-P8B75-M-bm6635-3RD-GEN-Motherboard-Socket-LGA-1155-i3-i5-i7-DDR3-USED-Mainboard-i.202863055.5957142573 around 95$ for B75 Mobo and i5 3570k

 

The i5 3570K is a solid CPU - it's runs a little warm and is starting to struggle with some modern multi-threaded titles, but it is still VERY capable.

 

I've not used that exact board, but I like my ASUS boards and a B75 is a good choice of motherboard: it only has a pair of SATA connectors, unless ASUS added more of their own (they often do), but the important things are that it has native PCIe 3.0 x16 support and and USB3, so it is still reasonably modern.

 

As a CPU, I found a handful of benchmarks that indicate it will be 30-50% faster than the A8 6600K - TBH, I think those benchmarks was unkind - I would expect the gap to be a lot bigger on anything FPU intensive (like games)... my personal experiences with A8's left me VERY unimpressed, while I still have several 3rd gen Intel systems in my house (and least 4 active right now!). 

 

The important question is: what GPU are you using on that?

 

If you're using onboard graphics, then aim pretty low and prepare for disappointment!!

 

A8 6600K = Radeon HD 8570D

vs

i5 3570k =  Intel HD 4000

The problem is that the GPU will be 30-50% FASTER ON THE OLDER AMD! Please do your own checks on those two GPU's above, but the initial findings were NOT promising.

 

Even something like a GT1030 will be a significant step up (>300% increase over iGPU/APU) or if you look around for something like an AMD HD4870 (>200% increase, but a LOT less driver support)... the GT1030's will set you back @$100, but I expect a HD4870 would be ~$25 due to the age, no driver support and zero mining value.

[KaitouX]

4 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

Core and thread count can only be truly compared in the context of the same architecture. 9th and 10th gen are both basically the same in that regard, so fair enough, but the i7 920 and i5 3570K are fundamentally different CPUs. If you could find charts comparing the two, I'd wager that the i5 would have better averages and 1% lows both. Ivy Bridge is a way better architecture than Bloomfield, with a massive IPC improvement and ability to clock higher that combined easily overcomes the advantages of HyperThreading.

 

Comparing the 3770K and 3570K is fair enough - the 3770K is going to be much better. The difference you are showing there will be the case. However, the i7 920 is nowhere near the performance of the 3770K.

On GTA the result is what you said, but on Shadow of the Tomb Raider the i7 is ahead by a bit. Unfortunately there are not that many games in the test, but I would still guess that games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, R6S and similar the i7 would still have better 1% lows, games like that punish CPUs with low thread counts really hard.

 

I understand that you can't really compare the core count across architectures, but the my point was that the CPUs without HT aged a lot worse than the one with it, and that the lack of threads will affect the performance, mainly the 1% lows. 

Also looking now I get it looks like I was directly comparing the i7 920 to the 3570K, but I just forgot to add the i5 750 there, the intention was to compare how CPUs with and without HT with similar per core performance, perform in some modern games. 

[PLSHELPME123]

7 hours ago, BahnStormer said:

 

The i5 3570K is a solid CPU - it's runs a little warm and is starting to struggle with some modern multi-threaded titles, but it is still VERY capable.

 

I've not used that exact board, but I like my ASUS boards and a B75 is a good choice of motherboard: it only has a pair of SATA connectors, unless ASUS added more of their own (they often do), but the important things are that it has native PCIe 3.0 x16 support and and USB3, so it is still reasonably modern.

 

As a CPU, I found a handful of benchmarks that indicate it will be 30-50% faster than the A8 6600K - TBH, I think those benchmarks was unkind - I would expect the gap to be a lot bigger on anything FPU intensive (like games)... my personal experiences with A8's left me VERY unimpressed, while I still have several 3rd gen Intel systems in my house (and least 4 active right now!). 

 

The important question is: what GPU are you using on that?

 

If you're using onboard graphics, then aim pretty low and prepare for disappointment!!

 

A8 6600K = Radeon HD 8570D

vs

i5 3570k =  Intel HD 4000

The problem is that the GPU will be 30-50% FASTER ON THE OLDER AMD! Please do your own checks on those two GPU's above, but the initial findings were NOT promising.

 

Even something like a GT1030 will be a significant step up (>300% increase over iGPU/APU) or if you look around for something like an AMD HD4870 (>200% increase, but a LOT less driver support)... the GT1030's will set you back @$100, but I expect a HD4870 would be ~$25 due to the age, no driver support and zero mining value.

im buying a discrete gpu soon so its not going to be a problem im planning on buying gtx 460 for around 35$ since the gpu prices here in philippines are a lot higher than other countries because ive seen a youtuber bought a rx 480 LAST YEAR for 40$ which is around 100$ here but he bought it locally so ofcourse its cheaper

[BahnStormer]

9 hours ago, PLSHELPME123 said:

im buying a discrete gpu soon so its not going to be a problem im planning on buying gtx 460 for around 35$ since the gpu prices here in philippines are a lot higher than other countries because ive seen a youtuber bought a rx 480 LAST YEAR for 40$ which is around 100$ here but he bought it locally so ofcourse its cheaper

Don't worry about missing out on the RX480... I know it will probably be a bit more, but don't rule out a GT1030:

1. 2Gb GDDR5 (although half the speed )
2. much more advanced GPU
3. slightly faster overall
4. FIVE TIMES lower power (30W vs 160W!)
5. therefore less heat (less aircon / warming up the room!)
6. driver support is still very current and expected to last another 2-3 years MINIMUM, probably ~5yrs!

This isn't an anti-AMD dig - I used to be a MASSIVE AMD fan: just to name a few, but over the years I've had an ATI "Mach32", Radeon 9700PRO, X800XT, HD4870 and HD7970 and lots of lower end cards in HTPC (R5's etc)... I still really rate their memory and rasterisation performance and now seriously consider a 6800XT for my next build...... BUT but I'm a little wary of them in legacy hardware builds now that they've cut their driver support short. Not even the 3Gb HD7970 is still supported (4 digital display outs!) and that has 3x the memory, 3x the memory speed and over 3x the performance as the RX480.... albeit at nearly 3x the TDP!

[GamerDude]

On 1/7/2022 at 4:54 PM, ki8aras said:

bro im gaming on an i7 920 and i don't have any problems, you'll be fine 

You seem to be forgetting that the i7 920 is a 4C/8T CPU, while the 3570K, while 'newer', has only 4C/4T, and this is a severe bottleneck in many newer games. For eSport title, perhaps the 3570K is sufficient, but should a game require more threads, the 3570K would suffer.

 

I have an i7 3960X (SBe CPU) which is a 6C/12T CPU, even now, I can play the latest titles without a problem, sure it's not as fast as newer multi-core multi-threaded CPU, that it has 6C/12T makes it relevant even by today's standard.

[freeagent]

1 hour ago, GamerDude said:

You seem to be forgetting that the i7 920 is a 4C/8T CPU, while the 3570K, while 'newer', has only 4C/4T,

My 3770K rocked my old X5690 at similar clocks while using waay less power.

[Pasi123]

19 hours ago, freeagent said:

My 3770K rocked my old X5690 at similar clocks while using waay less power.

With similar clocks on both the 3770K would be faster in single core but slower in multi core.

Spoiler

On Cinebench R15 multi my i7-3770 at 4.22GHz all core is as fast as a stock X5675 (3.33GHz all core), both get around 765 cb. At 4.2GHz the X5675 gets around 995 cb

I can't get the multiplier locked 3770 to 4.4GHz all core but looking at hwbot results of 3770K it seems to require around 5.6GHz to match a 4.4GHz X5675 which scores 1033 cb.

In single core the 3770 at 4.43GHz scores 157 and the X5675 at 4.4GHz scores 134

 

4.2GHz multi core: X5675 wins by 30%

4.4GHz single core: 3770 wins by 17%

 

But comparing 4c/8t and 6c/12t CPUs isn't really the same as comparing 4c/4t and 4c/8t CPUs

 

But back to the topic I'd recommend going for an i7-3770K instead of the i5-3570K, at least where I live Z77 motherboard + 3770K + 16GB RAM bundles are usually 100€ or under which isn't far from what Z77 + 3570K + 16GB bundles go for. But if the 3570K is a lot cheaper then it wouldn't be bad either.