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Twistedinc
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Budget (including currency): No real cap

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Every day office usage during the day. Gaming wise, mostly survival games (tried playing Ghost Recon breakpoint recently and could only run it on LOW :|)

Other details Current part list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7bq7cT

 

Hi Guys, been a good number of years since I built this rig now. Only real upgrade I've made in that time is the addition of an m.2 drive to run windows from. Conscious the memory/GPU specifically are probably starting to feel their age. I tried futureproofing the rest of the rig (massive power supply, massive case etc...) but the main components could do with swapping out. I wouldn't even rule out a new CPU.

 

Problem is, I haven't kept up with all of the tech in the last...7 years since I built this rig, so I'm at a total loss. 

 

Upgrade suggestions welcome please! Thanks in advance :)

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That's still a very capable system, but the main thing that's probably holding you back is the 980ti, I'd recommend a GeForce RTX 3070 or Radeon RX 6700xt (about 2x as powerful). 

You could sell the 980ti if it's in good condition for ~$250-$350 on eBay to recoup a bit of cost as well.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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Just now, MasteredDelta said:

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I wouldn't recommend this. 

You'll see almost no performance increases between a 980ti and 1660 - heck, my non-TI EVGA GTX 980 SC at its stock factory OC beats the 1660 stock. 

I'd recommend just a newer GPU for current system.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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If there really is no real budget cap, I'd say fuck it, and just go for a 6700XT or something.

 

A 5600X doesn't need an X570 board, a B550 Tomahawk, or an Aorus Pro would be fine. Alternativly, the 11400f is still great for almost half the price, stick it in a B560 board, and it'll be just fine.

 

The CPU cooler probably needs to go, I doubt it has support for AM4, and liquid coolers do fail at some point. You could go with a liquid cooler again, but it's not neccessary as Ryzen is very easy to cool. A Noctua NH-D15S, NH-U12A, or even NH-U12S would be fine. Chromax if you hate the color.

 

I'm not a huge fan of the case, but it looks like does have some airflow, so it doesn't need to be replaced.

 

The power supply should probably be replaced though. I'm guessing the warranty is either already expired, or is about to anyway. With a 6700XT, a 600W PSU would be enough, you don't really need to overspend on a power supply.

 

Your use case wasn't very specific, so it's a bit hard to recommend anything in particular, but this should be pretty reasonable.

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5 minutes ago, Revioli said:

The CPU cooler probably needs to go, I doubt it has support for AM4, and liquid coolers do fail at some point. You could go with a liquid cooler again, but it's not neccessary as Ryzen is very easy to cool. A Noctua NH-D15S, NH-U12A, or even NH-U12S would be fine. Chromax if you hate the color.

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A bracket is cheaper than a whole cooler.

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I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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Great suggestions, thanks guys. 

 

I really hadn't considered that the CPU cooler might be causing issues. I use speccy regularly, and I've never had a temp issue. Could it be causing lag on the overall system even if there are no warning signs? 

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22 hours ago, Mel0nMan said:

I wouldn't recommend this. 

You'll see almost no performance increases between a 980ti and 1660 - heck, my non-TI EVGA GTX 980 SC at its stock factory OC beats the 1660 stock. 

I'd recommend just a newer GPU for current system.

Also, considering your advise was that I still have a fairly capable system, this suggestion was an entirely new build haha.

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I would recommend going more than 6 cores for your next upgrade. This way you will get more of a "wow" experience. Going from 6 to 6 would probably not feel that different (yes I know current 6 cores are faster than the one he has). I feel like 8 would be ah that's nice upgrade, I would recommend going 12. I feel like that would be more of a wow upgrade.

 

If you want something stable, Ryzen 5000. The best would be 12th gen intel. GPU wise I would go with 6900xt, seems like it's been on good sales recently. 3090 if you really want the best current gpu.

 

Most of your components are actually still really good. You can keep ram, storage, PSU and case if you'd like. You only really need to change out CPU, mobo, and GPU.

 

Intel option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£319.68 @ Newegg UK) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£92.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (£189.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL15 Memory 
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£59.25 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial BX100 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£265.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£121.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£121.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB OC Formula Video Card  (£1219.20 @ Newegg UK) 
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II ATX Full Tower Case 
Power Supply: Corsair HXi 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply 
Monitor: Asus TUF GAMING VG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  (£349.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £2739.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-11-26 16:28 GMT+0000

 

AMD Option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£395.52 @ Newegg UK) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£92.96 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£235.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL15 Memory 
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£59.25 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial BX100 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£265.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£121.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£121.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB OC Formula Video Card  (£1219.20 @ Newegg UK) 
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II ATX Full Tower Case 
Power Supply: Corsair HXi 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply 
Monitor: Asus TUF GAMING VG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  (£349.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £2860.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-11-26 16:32 GMT+0000

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23 hours ago, Twistedinc said:

Budget (including currency): No real cap

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Every day office usage during the day. Gaming wise, mostly survival games (tried playing Ghost Recon breakpoint recently and could only run it on LOW :|)

Other details Current part list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7bq7cT

 

Hi Guys, been a good number of years since I built this rig now. Only real upgrade I've made in that time is the addition of an m.2 drive to run windows from. Conscious the memory/GPU specifically are probably starting to feel their age. I tried futureproofing the rest of the rig (massive power supply, massive case etc...) but the main components could do with swapping out. I wouldn't even rule out a new CPU.

 

Problem is, I haven't kept up with all of the tech in the last...7 years since I built this rig, so I'm at a total loss. 

 

Upgrade suggestions welcome please! Thanks in advance 🙂

Stick a new gpu into your current build and see what performance is like. You can always change the cpu/board later if you are still not happy. 

 

As for the cooler, if it isn't broken then don't fix it. There is no time limit that says you have to buy a new one after 'x' number of years.

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You can basically reuse everything other than the cpu, gpu, cooler, and board

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/w7ZDp2

Gpu wise since its uncapped you could prob get a 3090 but thats useless unless you game on 8k or whatever workloads that need 24gb vram, also top end tends to go obselete real fast anyways so id suggest a high end like the 3080 so it doesnt go obselete the next generation

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