There is specific RAM for AMD/Intel?

[oi you]

https://www.umart.com.au/Corsair-32GB--2x16GB--CMW32GX4M2Z3600C18-Vengeance-RGB-Pro-3600MHz-DDR4-RAM-Black-for-AMD-Ryzen_55567G.html

 

Just wondering if that was yet another thing I had to check on the RAM I plan to get, as this was for some reason labelled "for AMD Ryzen" and if I needed to revise my component list. I had the impression that if my board supported DDR4 any DDR4 within the speed range should work. I am committed to Intel now for my build, does this make this RAM unusable for me?

 

[SlashedM]

2 minutes ago, oi you said:

https://www.umart.com.au/Corsair-32GB--2x16GB--CMW32GX4M2Z3600C18-Vengeance-RGB-Pro-3600MHz-DDR4-RAM-Black-for-AMD-Ryzen_55567G.html

 

Just wondering if that was yet another thing I had to check on the RAM I plan to get, as this was for some reason labelled "for AMD Ryzen" and if I needed to revise my component list. I am committed to Intel now for my build, does this make this RAM unusable for me?

 

No, its not specific, the description says "Compatibility: Intel 300 Series,Intel 400 Series,Intel 400 Series,AMD X570" as well. It will work fine, it just says "for AMD Ryzen" mostly just to catch eyes of consumers who don't know much. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, oi you said:

https://www.umart.com.au/Corsair-32GB--2x16GB--CMW32GX4M2Z3600C18-Vengeance-RGB-Pro-3600MHz-DDR4-RAM-Black-for-AMD-Ryzen_55567G.html

 

Just wondering if that was yet another thing I had to check on the RAM I plan to get, as this was for some reason labelled "for AMD Ryzen" and if I needed to revise my component list. I am committed to Intel now for my build, does this make this RAM unusable for me?

 

You'd be better off with this kit here, from the same website you've used.

 

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-16GB--2x8GB--F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC-Trident-Z-Neo-C-3600MHz-AMD-RGB-DDR4-RAM_51996G.html

[aisle9]

Back in the DDR2 days, there were kits that would only work with AMD CPUs. I think it had to do with an instruction set, but could be horribly wrong. Needless to say, those days are long past us.

 

Any RAM kit that says "Ryzen ready" or "Ryzen compatible" probably dates back to 2017-2018, when early Ryzen CPUs had a hate boner for many different RAM kits, even screwing over QVL listed RAM for big board manufacturers. MSI was hit harder than most, IIRC. The only truly safe way to get RAM that would definitely not have issues was to pony up for Samsung B-Die or get a kit that was marked Ryzen compatible.

 

Those early DDR4 teething issues are a thing of the distant past, and any supported RAM will work with any compatible AMD or Intel processor.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

Back in the DDR2 days, there were kits that would only work with AMD CPUs. I think it had to do with an instruction set, but could be horribly wrong. Needless to say, those days are long past us.

I think amd cpus supported 4gb dimms but initially intel didnt support 4gb dimms, but anything after g31 has support for 4gb dimms, issue is they are garbage at overclocking, not an issue with a g31 thats handicapped by nb voltage but for a p45 that can do 500+ fsb yea no you do not want 4gb dimms unless you got a c2q cause those things have a hard time with high fsb

 

Yea those days have long since passed, if you see a for amd marketing on a ram stick it usually means that its optimized for amd, itll work with intel but its optimized for amd

[PwnyTheTiger]

34 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

You'd be better off with this kit here, from the same website you've used.

 

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-16GB--2x8GB--F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC-Trident-Z-Neo-C-3600MHz-AMD-RGB-DDR4-RAM_51996G.html

Why would he be better off with that kit exactly? We don't know his use case for his PC and the kit you suggested is also half the capacity from the one he posted. More info when you make suggestions would be better in the future.

 

As far as the initial question goes, the posts above are pretty much spot on as to why memory kits are marketed a certain way or towards a certain platform but memory compatibility has since gotten infinitely better on AMD and in your case, as you intend to use Intel, the kit you posted would be perfectly fine. I also run 32GB of the same memory, minus the speed being slower. The RGB is pretty gorgeous on these things and I even managed to OC my kit a little bit, overall I'm totally satisfied with my purchase.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, PwnyTheTiger said:

Why would he be better off with that kit exactly? We don't know his use case for his PC and the kit you suggested is also half the capacity from the one he posted. More info when you make suggestions would be better in the future.

 

As far as the initial question goes, the posts above are pretty much spot on as to why memory kits are marketed a certain way or towards a certain platform but memory compatibility has since gotten infinitely better on AMD and in your case, as you intend to use Intel, the kit you posted would be perfectly fine. I also run 32GB of the same memory, minus the speed being slower. The RGB is pretty gorgeous on these things and I even managed to OC my kit a little bit, overall I'm totally satisfied with my purchase.

 

I see that now, sorry for the capacity discrepancy. You're right, I don't really know his use case.

 

But what I do know is what the timings are and what die resides on particular memory model numbers, mostly familiar with Trident Z kits. 

 

Basically the quality of the memory is where people should learn to spend their money instead of gimmicks and marketing schemes. That way when suggesting memory, you know there's less compatibility issues. The user will have a good experience as well. 

 

The bummer about the 32GB of that same quality of Die, it's more like 340$ AU. But these kits I'm suggesting on an Intel platform will likely do 4000mhz on an overclock. 

 

As an example, I'll take a quick screen shot. 

[oi you]

14 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I see that now, sorry for the capacity discrepancy. You're right, I don't really know his use case.

 

But what I do know is what the timings are and what die resides on particular memory model numbers, mostly familiar with Trident Z kits. 

 

Basically the quality of the memory is where people should learn to spend their money instead of gimmicks and marketing schemes. That way when suggesting memory, you know there's less compatibility issues. The user will have a good experience as well. 

 

The bummer about the 32GB of that same quality of Die, it's more like 340$ AU. But these kits I'm suggesting on an Intel platform will likely do 4000mhz on an overclock. 

 

As an example, I'll take a quick screen shot. 

So how would you check the die in a particular RAM, and what kind of die should one be looking for? I'm running a z590 board if it helps, this is my first build and I'm not quite familiar with things beyond the recommendations of some of my friends. I do want a 2x16 though, it's more for having an option for easier upgrades in the future in case I do decide for it (so that I wouldn't have to replace the 8gb cards and just add on more 16's instead)

[aisle9]

11 minutes ago, oi you said:

So how would you check the die in a particular RAM, and what kind of die should one be looking for?

Thaiphoon Burner will tell you what kind of die you have. But that's an after the fact thing. A more proactive method would be to buy one of these kits:

 

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

[PwnyTheTiger]

26 minutes ago, oi you said:

So how would you check the die in a particular RAM, and what kind of die should one be looking for? I'm running a z590 board if it helps, this is my first build and I'm not quite familiar with things beyond the recommendations of some of my friends. I do want a 2x16 though, it's more for having an option for easier upgrades in the future in case I do decide for it (so that I wouldn't have to replace the 8gb cards and just add on more 16's instead)

It's sometimes listed in the item description somewhere, for example my kit is using Samsung E-Die, which isn't considered the absolute best but still sufficient. But most of the time you'll need to go find lists online to find which die.. The general ranking goes; Samsung B > E > D > S; Hynix AFR > MFR. Between Hynix and Samsung it goes B > E > AFR > D > MFR > S. This is all from a 4 year old Reddit post, but I'd still assume most of this is the same. 

 

14 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

Thaiphoon Burner will tell you what kind of die you have. But that's an after the fact thing. A more proactive method would be to buy one of these kits:

 

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

This is how I figured out what my kits had inside them but there are (as seen) many comphrensive lists of B-Die kits to purchase. 

 

It should also be said again, you will generally pay significantly more for B-Die kits and that's an entire dragon you're gonna chase itself. Unless you're chasing the absolute best of the best, going that far into it isn't really necessary. Just buying a memory kit from a reputable brand will get you good or high quality memory either way. You just might not be able to push it harder on an OC or when tightening latencies.

[oi you]

18 minutes ago, PwnyTheTiger said:

It's usually listed in the item description somewhere, for example my kit is using Samsung E-Die, which isn't considered the absolute best but still sufficient. The general ranking goes; Samsung B > E > D > S; Hynix AFR > MFR. Between Hynix and Samsung it goes B > E > AFR > D > MFR > S. This is all from a 4 year old Reddit post, but I'd still assume most of this is the same. 

 

This is how I figured out what my kits had inside them but there are (as seen) many comphrensive lists of B-Die kits to purchase. 

 

It should also be said again, you will generally pay significantly more for B-Die kits and that's an entire dragon you're gonna chase itself. Unless you're chasing the absolute best of the best, going that far into it isn't really necessary. Just buying a memory kit from a reputable brand will get you good or high quality memory either way. You just might not be able to push it harder on an OC or when tightening latencies.

Jesus, it's so complicated. There are so many codes even for one kind of ram. Well, I don't see myself pushing it to the limit so I guess I'll just settle for one like you said. There doesn't seem to be any other die finder apart from the B so I can't even sort them out myself, so I guess i'll just roll the dice for a random die (pun totally intended)

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, oi you said:

So how would you check the die in a particular RAM, and what kind of die should one be looking for? I'm running a z590 board if it helps, this is my first build and I'm not quite familiar with things beyond the recommendations of some of my friends. I do want a 2x16 though, it's more for having an option for easier upgrades in the future in case I do decide for it (so that I wouldn't have to replace the 8gb cards and just add on more 16's instead)

3600mhz B-Die memory 32GB 359$AU

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-32GB--2x16GB--F4-3600C16D-32GTZN-Trident-Z-Neo-3600MHz-AMD-RGB-DDR4-RAM_51990G.html

 

3200Mhz B-Die memory 32GB 229$AU

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-32GB--2x16GB--F4-3200C16D-32GTZR-Trident-Z-3200MHz-RGB-DDR4-RAM_56242G.html

 

The 3200mhz kit will probably OC to 3600mhz if you wanted to save the coin. Performance will be the same on either kit, they have the same die set, but the PCB may be different. One kit may be A2 PCB and the other maybe A1 or A0. That you won't know until after you purchase the kit and run TaiphoonBurner.

[oi you]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

3600mhz B-Die memory 32GB 359$AU

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-32GB--2x16GB--F4-3600C16D-32GTZN-Trident-Z-Neo-3600MHz-AMD-RGB-DDR4-RAM_51990G.html

 

3200Mhz B-Die memory 32GB 229$AU

https://www.umart.com.au/G-Skill-32GB--2x16GB--F4-3200C16D-32GTZR-Trident-Z-3200MHz-RGB-DDR4-RAM_56242G.html

 

The 3200mhz kit will probably OC to 3600mhz if you wanted to save the coin. Performance will be the same on either kit, they have the same die set, put the PCB may be different. One kit may be A2 PCB and the other maybe A1 or A0. That you won't know until after you purchase the kit and run TaiphoonBurner.

Oh nice. I think I'll probably go for the 3200 one since I intended to mess around with a bit of overclocking that my old broken computer couldn't do. Thanks for the recommendation!

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, oi you said:

Oh nice. I think I'll probably go for the 3200 one since I intended to mess around with a bit of overclocking that my old broken computer couldn't do. Thanks for the recommendation!

You're welcome. Another recommendation I have is to be sure your OC'ed memory has lots of good air flow. Stability comes with low temps. This kit will have temp sensors on it, so you can watch them with HWInfo64 sensors. I like to keep mine 45c or less especially when running 1.45v or more. 

[BetteBalterZen]

In terms of specific RAM kits for AMD and Intel. You could argue that some RAM kits are made for AMD and some are made for Intel, in terms on the onboard profile for either XMP or DOCP, though both RAM kits should work on either platform. The motherboard might not just be able to read the memory profile, so you'd have to set the RAM settings manually. Some motherboard can read both DOCP and XMP profiles though. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, BetteBalterZen said:

In terms of specific RAM kits for AMD and Intel. You could argue that some RAM kits are made for AMD and some are made for Intel, in terms on the onboard profile for either XMP or DOCP, though both RAM kits should work on either platform. The motherboard might not just be able to read the memory profile, so you'd have to set the RAM settings manually. 

A lot of Intel extreme memory profile kits are listed on AMD AM4 motherboard's QVL lists. This a lot of times needs to be understood that in a lot of cases, these are tested in single sticks single channel, dual channel with dual sticks and even a few kits with all four slots populated in dual channel. 

 

The vastness of the DDR4 chips is pretty appalling. I mean look at this list off my head.

 

Die make year, does have differences. But leaving a lot out of it....

 

Micron

SK Hynix

Samsung 

THE BIG THREE

 

Each have made pretty much batch or batches of the following... 

A Die All three makers

B Die Micron and Samsung

C Die All the makers

D Die All the makers 

E Die Micron

F Die Micron (Z10B)

H Die Samsung

 

That should be fairly accurate. Some makes may have made models I did not list above.

 

Then DDR4 PCB layouts

A0

A1

A2

A3

B0

B1

B2 

B3

....... I believe it goes all the way down to K.....

 

Is there a lot to knowing memory? You betcha. Tons and tons and tons. 

 

Will some of it be NOT compatible??? Yes, most certainly.

Will some OC better than others?? Yes, most certainly!!

 

All I know is that the set I'm using is B-Die 19-19-19-39 4267mhz 1.40v on A2 PCB and it's pretty fast sh*t. I really like it a lot.  

 

[BetteBalterZen]

28 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

A lot of Intel extreme memory profile kits are listed on AMD AM4 motherboard's QVL lists. This a lot of times needs to be understood that in a lot of cases, these are tested in single sticks single channel, dual channel with dual sticks and even a few kits with all four slots populated in dual channel. 

 

The vastness of the DDR4 chips is pretty appalling. I mean look at this list off my head.

 

Die make year, does have differences. But leaving a lot out of it....

 

Micron

SK Hynix

Samsung 

THE BIG THREE

 

Each have made pretty much batch or batches of the following... 

A Die All three makers

B Die Micron and Samsung

C Die All the makers

D Die All the makers 

E Die Micron

F Die Micron (Z10B)

H Die Samsung

 

That should be fairly accurate. Some makes may have made models I did not list above.

 

Then DDR4 PCB layouts

A0

A1

A2

A3

B0

B1

B2 

B3

....... I believe it goes all the way down to K.....

 

Is there a lot to knowing memory? You betcha. Tons and tons and tons. 

 

Will some of it be NOT compatible??? Yes, most certainly.

Will some OC better than others?? Yes, most certainly!!

 

All I know is that the set I'm using is B-Die 19-19-19-39 4267mhz 1.40v on A2 PCB and it's pretty fast sh*t. I really like it a lot.  

 

You seem to know a lot about RAM and so on. 

Is it true that B-Die is good to have? I think I have seen a lot of folks talk about B-Die being good and that it overclocks well. If this is true, then A-Die must be fantastic? 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, BetteBalterZen said:

You seem to know a lot about RAM and so on. 

Is it true that B-Die is good to have? I think I have seen a lot of folks talk about B-Die being good and that it overclocks well. If this is true, then A-Die must be fantastic? 

I think B-Die Samsung and E-Die Micron would be the top 2 for best performance. If you know competitive overclockers really enjoy using it, there's good reasons for it. This statement would hold true through all past generations of Double data rate memory as I had mentioned earlier as an example Micron D9.

 

Now, A-Die, probably overclocks ok. This die replaced Samsung's B-Die kits. But just won't scale like B-Die.

As far as I know, they stopped manufacturing B-Die in 2019. So what's out there for sale is it. 

[TheeShadowStorm]

micron e-die is good stuff, arguably better than Samsung b-die for pure frequency overckocking but the Samsung b-die is arguably better for timings at high frequency.

Micron (Crucial) bin all their ballistix ram at the wafer so it should all be gooood shit