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Budget (including currency):  $2500-$3000

Country: AUS

 

Hi All,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC that I can mainly use for AutoCAD 3d design work, with a bit of casual gaming. I've had some help in regards to the parts from a friend however the parts/cost seems excessive and has pushed it past my budget. 

 

any recommendation to be able to reduce the cost will be appreciative.

 

Thank you.

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YL3T68

 

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1 hour ago, ts2t said:

Budget (including currency):  $2500-$3000

Country: AUS

 

Hi All,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC that I can mainly use for AutoCAD 3d design work, with a bit of casual gaming. I've had some help in regards to the parts from a friend however the parts/cost seems excessive and has pushed it past my budget. 

 

any recommendation to be able to reduce the cost will be appreciative.

 

Thank you.

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YL3T68

 

Is PCpartpicker down or it is just my PC not opening it?

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55 minutes ago, ts2t said:

I'm not sure, I checked the address again and the list is opening for me.

It opens now, Seems site was down for little while.

As far as my knowledge goes, autocad doesn't require high end GPU, But it does require good CPU, So considering prices, saving some money on GPU could be better idea, Especially prices as it is right now. 3060 ti is too expensive. You can have look at 6600 XT, usually it's cheaper and gives good enough performance.

There is no need for this motherboard, Get MSI B550 tomahawk or Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING.

Cooler is on little expensive side as well, If you are okey with air cooler, You'll be pretty much set with be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, Deepcool ASSASSIN III, But if you still want AIO, You'll be pretty much set with ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280, MSI MAG CORE LIQUID 360R, NZXT Kraken X63 RGB.

Also, You can get better deal on SSD.

 

I also looked at your new build, So for your work use, Better get good CPU and not that expensive GPU, So what I said above, Save some money on parts as I suggested, Still get 5800X, and get GPU such as 3060 ti (But if u find cheaper than that) 6600 XT or even 6700XT. Whatever u can get cheaper. Don't cheap out too much on cooler and board on that second list. If you don't want RGB might as well get case without it.

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4 hours ago, ts2t said:

Budget (including currency):  $2500-$3000

Country: AUS

 

Hi All,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC that I can mainly use for AutoCAD 3d design work, with a bit of casual gaming. I've had some help in regards to the parts from a friend however the parts/cost seems excessive and has pushed it past my budget. 

 

any recommendation to be able to reduce the cost will be appreciative.

 

Thank you.

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YL3T68

 

I made 2 lists for you, One Intel, One AMD for better choices.

 

1. INTEL

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-11600K 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($416.94 @ Amazon Australia)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Loop 360 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z590 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($173.66 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PLE Computers)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($126.90 @ Device Deal)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($190.00 @ PLE Computers)
Total: $2269.50

 

2. AMD

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($419.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Loop 360 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($239.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($173.66 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PLE Computers)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($126.90 @ Device Deal)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($190.00 @ PLE Computers)
Total: $2301.56

I have been building PCs for over 30 years so if you have any questions please ask. For Future Communication I use Discord for much Faster Response Times as I have it open 24/7. I am also available if you need help before, during, or after the Build Process on Discord through Text,Voice, or Video Chat. I can be with you while you build your new PC if you need me to be. Here is my Discord: Wizardsnapper#2772

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, PC MD Doctors said:

I made 2 lists for you, One Intel, One AMD for better choices.

 

1. INTEL

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-11600K 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($416.94 @ Amazon Australia)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Loop 360 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z590 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($173.66 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PLE Computers)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($126.90 @ Device Deal)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($190.00 @ PLE Computers)
Total: $2269.50

 

2. AMD

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($419.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Loop 360 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($239.00 @ Centre Com)
Memory: Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($173.66 @ Amazon Australia)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PLE Computers)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($126.90 @ Device Deal)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($190.00 @ PLE Computers)
Total: $2301.56

As always, Dropped by and made something unreasonable... 

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I'm not sure why people are recommending consumer GPUs to a guy that needs an AutoCAD rig, but consumer GPUs don't accelerate AutoCAD at all as they have no way to function in OpenGL

 

I guess it depends how serious you are about the 3D software stuff vs the "casual gaming" stuff... but they are two opposite spectrum use-cases when it comes to the most expensive component.... the GPU... the main benefit here, however, is there isn't a world-wide scalper market for workstation GPUs... so the prices are still relatively normal and you can order them through normal venders... 

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1 hour ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

It opens now, Seems site was down for little while.

As far as my knowledge goes, autocad doesn't require high end GPU, But it does require good CPU, So considering prices, saving some money on GPU could be better idea, Especially prices as it is right now. 3060 ti is too expensive. You can have look at 6600 XT, usually it's cheaper and gives good enough performance.

There is no need for this motherboard, Get MSI B550 tomahawk or Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING.

Cooler is on little expensive side as well, If you are okey with air cooler, You'll be pretty much set with be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, Deepcool ASSASSIN III, But if you still want AIO, You'll be pretty much set with ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280, MSI MAG CORE LIQUID 360R, NZXT Kraken X63 RGB.

Also, You can get better deal on SSD.

 

I also looked at your new build, So for your work use, Better get good CPU and not that expensive GPU, So what I said above, Save some money on parts as I suggested, Still get 5800X, and get GPU such as 3060 ti (But if u find cheaper than that) 6600 XT or even 6700XT. Whatever u can get cheaper. Don't cheap out too much on cooler and board on that second list. If you don't want RGB might as well get case without it.

I disagree in premise... but if it matters is entirely dependent on the size and complexity of what he's working on... AutoCAD/Inventor assemblies can very quickly get sizes that you need a workstation card to function... like... a pretty good one... just to function... I'm a design engineer by trade and have working in manufacturing for 10+ years... about 8 years ago I tried to build an engineering rig for myself through the company with a R9 290X, thinking I'd just brute force through it because professional GPUs were so high and those were so cheap... It was fine till it wasn't... once I got into 20+ part assemblies, the computer would just crash.... we got a mid-level quadro soon after and it completely resolved the issue...

 

so... if he's like... doing a 2D floorplan of his house.... sure... he's fine with a consumer grade GPU.... if he's 3D modeling his house and all the objects in it into an assembly file... he needs the workstation card...

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26 minutes ago, DrunkenPanda said:

I disagree in premise... but if it matters is entirely dependent on the size and complexity of what he's working on... AutoCAD/Inventor assemblies can very quickly get sizes that you need a workstation card to function... like... a pretty good one... just to function... I'm a design engineer by trade and have working in manufacturing for 10+ years... about 8 years ago I tried to build an engineering rig for myself through the company with a R9 290X, thinking I'd just brute force through it because professional GPUs were so high and those were so cheap... It was fine till it wasn't... once I got into 20+ part assemblies, the computer would just crash.... we got a mid-level quadro soon after and it completely resolved the issue...

 

so... if he's like... doing a 2D floorplan of his house.... sure... he's fine with a consumer grade GPU.... if he's 3D modeling his house and all the objects in it into an assembly file... he needs the workstation card...

There is no possiblity to get workstation card in this price range, Workstation card alone costs more than whole budget.

I didn't meant that GPU is not necessary, What I meant is CPU is first priority, If you get Bad CPU in favor of good GPU, You'll end up with same result, Most likely worst. 

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There is no possiblity to get workstation card in this price range, Workstation card alone costs more than whole budget.

I didn't meant that GPU is not necessary, What I meant is CPU is first priority, If you get Bad CPU in favor of good GPU, You'll end up with same result, Most likely worst. 

You can get pretty good workstation cards for way cheaper than a 6600XT

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3 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Wich one exactly? 

https://www.newegg.com/pny-vcqrtx4000-pb/p/2VV-000K-000T1

 

.... for example... it's not the flagship or anything but it'll do everything you need for designing short of a designing a whole car assembly

 

it'll suck at gaming.... but as bad as it sucks at gaming the 6600XT sucks at workstationing

 

you also don't have to flag them down at a bus station GPU vender dealing GPUs out a trenchcoat.... they are in stock at normal vendors

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24 minutes ago, DrunkenPanda said:

https://www.newegg.com/pny-vcqrtx4000-pb/p/2VV-000K-000T1

 

.... for example... it's not the flagship or anything but it'll do everything you need for designing short of a designing a whole car assembly

 

it'll suck at gaming.... but as bad as it sucks at gaming the 6600XT sucks at workstationing

 

you also don't have to flag them down at a bus station GPU vender dealing GPUs out a trenchcoat.... they are in stock at normal vendors

That is equivalent of 1430 AUD, While 6600XT could be had for around 850 AUD... If his workload is not very GPU intensive, He'll be absolutely okey. You have mentioned 8 years old card, That even sucked for it's time, Are you sure you have tested new consumer cards in 3D workloads and such? Because they perform pretty much okey compared to old ones...

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19 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

That is equivalent of 1430 AUD, While 6600XT could be had for around 850 AUD... If his workload is not very GPU intensive, He'll be absolutely okey. You have mentioned 8 years old card, That even sucked for it's time, Are you sure you have tested new consumer cards in 3D workloads and such? Because they perform pretty much okey compared to old ones...

they will perform exactly the same as they did 8 years ago.... they do *not* accelerate the software at all... they do *not* operate in OpenGL... so you're just running off raw GPU power that will cause display issues and be the root cause of crashes that waste hours of work if you don't save frequently... he could take a step down from the RTX4000 and still be fine, I was just showing that professional cards have not moved in value, you still get them at MSRP or lower.... consumer cards are cranked up with $300+ added to their normal price tags... it actually makes sense to get the professional card at this point...

 

They aren't "impressive looking"... they aren't designed to run at super high voltages with glue-gunned supercoolers on them.... they are made to be stable for workstation environments... even a low-end card will make assemblies bearable to work with... no GPU acceleration at all can get frustrating....

 

But this is speaking from actual industry work.... like I said.... it entirely depends on what he's using the computer for and the complexity of the cases... I've lived this one first hand... I originally built the 290X PC because of incorrect forum advice... lets not perpetuate that...

 

He doesn't need some ultra powerful God CPU... something reasonable is fine... most higher-end CPUs from 10 years ago will work like a charm.... he also doesn't need ECC ram or a "Xeon" or anything like that... he just needs a workstation GPU if he wants his 3D stuff to have GPU acceleration... 

 

Edit: also, the R9 290X was the flagship consumer model at the time... in competition with the 780/780 Ti IIRC

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46 minutes ago, DrunkenPanda said:

they will perform exactly the same as they did 8 years ago.... they do *not* accelerate the software at all... they do *not* operate in OpenGL... so you're just running off raw GPU power that will cause display issues and be the root cause of crashes that waste hours of work if you don't save frequently... he could take a step down from the RTX4000 and still be fine, I was just showing that professional cards have not moved in value, you still get them at MSRP or lower.... consumer cards are cranked up with $300+ added to their normal price tags... it actually makes sense to get the professional card at this point...

 

They aren't "impressive looking"... they aren't designed to run at super high voltages with glue-gunned supercoolers on them.... they are made to be stable for workstation environments... even a low-end card will make assemblies bearable to work with... no GPU acceleration at all can get frustrating....

 

But this is speaking from actual industry work.... like I said.... it entirely depends on what he's using the computer for and the complexity of the cases... I've lived this one first hand... I originally built the 290X PC because of incorrect forum advice... lets not perpetuate that...

 

He doesn't need some ultra powerful God CPU... something reasonable is fine... most higher-end CPUs from 10 years ago will work like a charm.... he also doesn't need ECC ram or a "Xeon" or anything like that... he just needs a workstation GPU if he wants his 3D stuff to have GPU acceleration... 

 

Edit: also, the R9 290X was the flagship consumer model at the time... in competition with the 780/780 Ti IIRC

You are incorrect, Because consumer GPUs mentioned above does support OpenGL and can be used for 3D work, It's ain't 2013... 

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I would recommend going to 32GB of ram. I use AutoCAD quite a bit with two instances open to reference different drawings. I tend to be on the top end of ram usage ending up with a bunch of compressed ram (3-4 GB worth). Although, I do have a bunch of other programs running as well such as Inventor, Vault and Chrome; so it might different for your scenario. I do use 16 GB for work and it's typically fine, but I work in 2D so I'm not too sure if the ram usage is different for 3D.

 

Also, maybe go for a 80+ gold 750 W PSU? The one you selected is pretty long and overkill for a 3060ti and you might have a hard time fitting cables under the PSU shroud. You could even go down to 600-650W and it should be plenty. Some models I would recommend:

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26 minutes ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

You are incorrect, Because consumer GPUs mentioned above does support OpenGL and can be used for 3D work, It's ain't 2013... 

Hadn't looked into it in a while... you are correct... they do support OpenCL/OpenGL now (mind you... the R9 290X was supposed to run OpenGL, it didn't).... so for this use-case.... he would probably be fine splitting the use with gaming with a consumer card...

 

They do not, however, have the task/program specific drivers that professional cards have... they are not on the list of certified graphics hardware for Inventor or anything in the AutoCAD suite... there will be useful program options that will be unavailable to the end user with a consumer card because of that... and for large assembly files, one would still prefer the professional card as those unavailable options are what smooths the rotation and redraw capabilities... so by supporting OpenCL/GL, it's less bad... I'd still never put a consumer card, or recommend one, for a computer I make my money on

 

As long as you're aware of that... you're at least going into it knowing the limitations...

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