Let's talk about APU's

[cheezewhisperer]

Yeah for a 100$ you could get a nice ssd aleady hehe

Kinda off topic, I read that the 3570k is actually better than 4670k. What are your thoughts? The 3570k was getting only like 2 fps lower in a lot of games than the 4670k and it used like 8% less power.

[LukaP]

Kinda off topic, I read that the 3570k is actually better than 4670k. What are your thoughts? The 3570k was getting only like 2 fps lower in a lot of games than the 4670k and it used like 8% less power.

4670k is better than the 3570k. Its built on the same process, but a different architecture. This makes it a tiny bit less power hungry while being a tiny bit faster clock for clock, but at the same time be a tiny bit harder to overclock to the same levels (tho still mostly a 100mhz average difference)

[cheezewhisperer]

Game developers chose the FX 8350 over not simply an i3 but an i5 3570K.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/10522-game-developers-choose-amd-over-intel-for-gaming/

Most recent games already list the AMD 8 core CPUs (FX 8000 series) in their recommended specifications.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/07/watch-dogs-recommended-specs-revealed

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/20/5326664/thief-pc-system-requirements-released

The FX 8320 which costs the same as an i3 4330 is twice as powerful and is unlocked for overclocking which allows you to clock it to FX 8350 speeds on the stock cooler without spending any extra on cooling and simply by changing one setting in your motherboard, while the i3 is completely locked.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8320+Eight-Core

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-4330+%40+3.50GHz

You also need to remember the game console connection. Developers make games for the consoles then port them to the PC. Well what's interesting now that the console hardware is AMD based and you can pretty much buy the equivalent of this hardware in any pc store.

This means that by simply opting for an AMD platform you're going to get all the console optimization benefits giving AMD hardware an edge.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/42309-amd-cpus-will-gain-performance-boosts-due-to-next-gen-consoles-according-to-john-carmack/

Besides the 8350 being $50 cheaper than a 3570k it doesn't seem to perform much(if any better) from what I saw.

Here's a link I looked at:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

You think I'm better off with the 8350 then? So no 4670k/4770k/or 3570k?

[TERAFLOP]

Besides the 8350 being $50 cheaper than a 3570k it doesn't seem to perform much(if any better) from what I saw.

Here's a link I looked at:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

You think I'm better off with the 8350 then? So no 4670k/4770k/or 3570k?

So according to CPUBoss which is a terrible website by the way. The FX 8350 has better performance, better value and better overclockability but the i5 3570K is selected as the winner.

The FX 8350 performs equally well to an i7 2600K & better than an i5 3570K in BF4, Crysis 3, Far Cry3 & is repeatedly listed under the recommended specs for upcoming or recent games like Watchdogs & Thief.

It's also less expensive & significantly faster for game streaming, video & audio conversion, compressing & decompressing files & a host of CPU intensive applications.

I would personally tell you to save your money and go grab an FX 8320 which is nearly 80$ cheaper than an i5 4670K, now put that 80$ towards your graphics budget now you can afford an R9 290 instead of a 280X/770 which is going to give you an even better & smoother gaming experience.

 

[LukaP]

Besides the 8350 being $50 cheaper than a 3570k it doesn't seem to perform much(if any better) from what I saw.

Here's a link I looked at:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

You think I'm better off with the 8350 then? So no 4670k/4770k/or 3570k?

dont get am3+ cpus. It's a dead socket. If you go 1150 you will be able to upgrade to a better cpu if needed

[TERAFLOP]

dont get am3+ cpus. It's a dead socket. If you go 1150 you will be able to upgrade to a better cpu if needed

I believe you are misinformed good sir, the current intel chipsets for LGA 1150 are just as dead as AM3+.

Broadwell based CPU successors to Haswell are incompatible & will require a new platform.

http://www.geek.com/chips/upgrading-from-haswell-to-broadwell-will-require-a-new-motherboard-1568738/

[LukaP]

I believe you are misinformed good sir, the current intel chipsets for LGA 1150 are just as dead as AM3+.

Broadwell based CPU successors to Haswell are incompatible & will require a new platform.

http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-haswell-refresh-platform-compatible-9series-chipset-power-supply-ratings-imposed/

i know i meant a 4770k or a 4790k

[GPUXPert]

i know i meant a 4770k or a 4790k

That's a bit nefarious of you then to say that "AM3+ is dead go get Intel" when you know full well that Intel's current platform is just as dead...

I don't recommend Haswell because it runs hotter than the sun. Either go FX 8320 or i5 3570k.

[LukaP]

That's a bit nefarious of you then to say that "AM3+ is dead go get Intel" when you know full well that Intel's current platform is just as dead...

I don't recommend Haswell because it runs hotter than the sun. Either go FX 8320 or i5 3570k.

and the fx dont?

Also the 4x90 chips will be soldered again, lowering temps.

[GPUXPert]

and the fx dont?

Also the 4x90 chips will be soldered again, lowering temps.

Better packaging doesn't mean soldered, they're simply going to use a better TIM. Soldered chips don't use TIM in the first place so it confirms that they're still going with the cheaper solution.

[Katness Everdeen]

Definitely don't waste money on i7s. Get an FX 8320 and a more powerful graphics card you'll get much better performance in games.
FX 8320 + R9 290 is going to destroy i7 4770K + GTX 760 and cost the same.
 

[cheezewhisperer]

So according to CPUBoss which is a terrible website by the way. The FX 8350 has better performance, better value and better overclockability but the i5 3570K is selected as the winner.

The FX 8350 performs equally well to an i7 2600K & better than an i5 3570K in BF4, Crysis 3, Far Cry3 & is repeatedly listed under the recommended specs for upcoming or recent games like Watchdogs & Thief.

It's also less expensive & significantly faster for game streaming, video & audio conversion, compressing & decompressing files & a host of CPU intensive applications.

I would personally tell you to save your money and go grab an FX 8320 which is nearly 80$ cheaper than an i5 4670K, now put that 80$ towards your graphics budget now you can afford an R9 290 instead of a 280X/770 which is going to give you an even better & smoother gaming experience.

 

Thanks for the info. If cpuboss is terrible, where should I look at the information? The images say it's from gamegpu but isn't that supposed to be gpus NOT cpus?

Is a 8320 better than 8350?

[cheezewhisperer]

Btw, just so ppl know my current rig is:

AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE(can't OC it for some reason)

8gig RAM(forget the exact kind)

Radeon 7970

Corsair 750w psu

I'm forgetting some things but u only needed to know the cpu/gpu anyways lol

[LukaP]

Better packaging doesn't mean soldered, they're simply going to use a better TIM. Soldered chips don't use TIM in the first place so it confirms that they're still going with the cheaper solution.

Tim = thermal interface material

Can also be solder...