I have a "big" problem

[aday]

Soo, I'm 14 had a job over the summer to pay for a new pc. I bought this pc less than a month ago, and no I did not build one because of gpu prices. It is a hoP pavilion prebuilt with a i3 10100 1650 super and 8gb of ram. For storage i have a 250 gb intel optane m.2 ssd and a 1tb western digital blue. My problem is that as soon as I got the pc, I realized that my temps are normal for a prebuilt, but the gpu and cpu usage is extremely low. For example in Rust, a gpu intensive game, I get about 50% of both gpu and cpu usage and this is even on the highest settings possible. On Call of Duty Warzone, i get around 70% of both in game. In games like Minecraft im getting about 20% gpu and about 10%cpu usage. I have tried everything I can think of and watched way to many youtube videos and read way to many forms. I did a full reset of my gpu drivers using ddu, ive checked bios for anything, but did not see much because the bios is limited. I have even changed everything to high performance in nvidia control panel. pls someone help me this is starting to piss me off. Keep in mind even when games are maxed, expect warzone cuz that is way to much vram.

[RONOTHAN##]

You're probably limited by the 8GB of RAM. Most of those games (besides Minecraft) use a ton of RAM. CoD for example has 16GB as the minimum amount. There is a decent chance that you are using the pagefile a ton, limiting what your CPU can do, and thus limiting what your GPU can do. 

 

Minecraft is probably just Minecraft being Minecraft. it has issues with utilization unless you run it with optifine. With my 3080 for example the card doesn't even clock up when running it unless you're using shaders, sticking to 300MHz half the time. 

[aday]

6 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

You're probably limited by the 8GB of RAM. Most of those games (besides Minecraft) use a ton of RAM. CoD for example has 16GB as the minimum amount. There is a decent chance that you are using the pagefile a ton, limiting what your CPU can do, and thus limiting what your GPU can do. 

 

Minecraft is probably just Minecraft being Minecraft. it has issues with utilization unless you run it with optifine. With my 3080 for example the card doesn't even clock up when running it unless you're using shaders, sticking to 300MHz half the time. 

what do you mean by pagefile im a little slow

[suedseefrucht]

7 minutes ago, aday said:

Soo, I'm 14 had a job over the summer to pay for a new pc. I bought this pc less than a month ago, and no I did not build one because of gpu prices. It is a hoP pavilion prebuilt with a i3 10100 1650 super and 8gb of ram. For storage i have a 250 gb intel optane m.2 ssd and a 1tb western digital blue. My problem is that as soon as I got the pc, I realized that my temps are normal for a prebuilt, but the gpu and cpu usage is extremely low. For example in Rust, a gpu intensive game, I get about 50% of both gpu and cpu usage and this is even on the highest settings possible. On Call of Duty Warzone, i get around 70% of both in game. In games like Minecraft im getting about 20% gpu and about 10%cpu usage. I have tried everything I can think of and watched way to many youtube videos and read way to many forms. I did a full reset of my gpu drivers using ddu, ive checked bios for anything, but did not see much because the bios is limited. I have even changed everything to high performance in nvidia control panel. pls someone help me this is starting to piss me off. Keep in mind even when games are maxed, expect warzone cuz that is way to much vram.

You said, you have a big problem. What's the big problem?
Don't you get enough FPS?

If you get 60 FPS and the games are maxed out, I don't see a problem.

If you want more FPS, 16 GB RAM could help.

[HanZie82]

8 minutes ago, aday said:

Soo, I'm 14 had a job over the summer to pay for a new pc. I bought this pc less than a month ago, and no I did not build one because of gpu prices. It is a hoP pavilion prebuilt with a i3 10100 1650 super and 8gb of ram. For storage i have a 250 gb intel optane m.2 ssd and a 1tb western digital blue. My problem is that as soon as I got the pc, I realized that my temps are normal for a prebuilt, but the gpu and cpu usage is extremely low. For example in Rust, a gpu intensive game, I get about 50% of both gpu and cpu usage and this is even on the highest settings possible. On Call of Duty Warzone, i get around 70% of both in game. In games like Minecraft im getting about 20% gpu and about 10%cpu usage. I have tried everything I can think of and watched way to many youtube videos and read way to many forms. I did a full reset of my gpu drivers using ddu, ive checked bios for anything, but did not see much because the bios is limited. I have even changed everything to high performance in nvidia control panel. pls someone help me this is starting to piss me off. Keep in mind even when games are maxed, expect warzone cuz that is way to much vram.

If you open up taskmanager, then in performance tab/CPU right click the graph and hover over "Change graph to" and then click on "Logical Processors".

See if you can see if a single core (or several) are at 100%.
If that is the case the per-core speed is holding you back.

[aday]

Just now, suedseefrucht said:

You said, you have a big problem. What's the big problem?
Don't you get enough FPS?

If you get 60 FPS and the games are maxed out, I don't see a problem.

If you want more FPS, 16 GB RAM could help.

no no no my utilization of my gpu and cpu are extremely low no matter how high the settings are.

[aday]

Just now, HanZie82 said:

If you open up taskmanager, then in performance tab/CPU right click the graph and hover over "Change graph to" and then click on "Logical Processors".

See if you can see if a single core (or several) are at 100%.
If that is the case the per-core speed is holding you back.

i tried that and none of them were at 100%

[RONOTHAN##]

2 minutes ago, aday said:

what do you mean by pagefile im a little slow

The system is starting to use the SSD/Hard drive as if they were RAM. Since you have Optane, it's not the worst thing that can happen, but I've seen it where the page file defaults to the hard drive for some reason. You can check the page-file usage in Windows somehow, I forget how and am too tired to look it up, but if you just Google it you should be able to figure it out.

[HanZie82]

4 minutes ago, aday said:

i tried that and none of them were at 100%

Do you have V-sync turned on? (if yes turn it off and see).

I was gonna ask if you have a frame-limiter set, but not many games have those.

 

Also make sure its not using the iGPU of your i3 when you're gaming.
Not having an iGPU, i dont know where to set it up sorry.

[aday]

1 minute ago, HanZie82 said:

Do you have V-sync turned on? (if yes turn it off and see).

I was gonna ask if you have a frame-limiter set, but not many games have those.

 

Also make sure its not using the iGPU of your i3 when you're gaming.
Not having an iGPU, i dont know where to set it up sorry.

ive done all of that aswell and i always check what gpu it is using and it is never integrated graphics.

[aday]

5 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The system is starting to use the SSD/Hard drive as if they were RAM. Since you have Optane, it's not the worst thing that can happen, but I've seen it where the page file defaults to the hard drive for some reason. You can check the page-file usage in Windows somehow, I forget how and am too tired to look it up, but if you just Google it you should be able to figure it out.

ok ill try that thanks

[mariushm]

10 minutes ago, aday said:

ok ill try that thanks

Windows key + pause/break to open settings in Windows 10, then on the right click on Advanced System Settings, then advanced, Performance > Settings , Advanced, Change ... make sure there's page file configured on both drives. 

Windows will prefer the one on your SSD and if that gets full, goes to the mechanical drive. 

You can manually limit each page file by setting both min and max values to same value. 

For your system with 8 GB of ram, you probably want at least 24 GB of page file in total. 

 

Should add a second stick when you can, it helps.   

BUT  open the pc first to see if you have one stick or two sticks of ram already, and if there's an empty slot to add memory. 

If you have a single stick of ram, adding a second stick will make the memory work in dual channel mode which gives a performance increase just by the simple fact of having two sticks, and then you have an extra performance increase on top of that from the extra capacity (ram amount). 

 

[aday]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Windows key + pause/break to open settings in Windows 10, then on the right click on Advanced System Settings, then advanced, Performance > Settings , Advanced, Change ... make sure there's page file configured on both drives. 

Windows will prefer the one on your SSD and if that gets full, goes to the mechanical drive. 

You can manually limit each page file by setting both min and max values to same value. 

For your system with 8 GB of ram, you probably want at least 24 GB of page file in total. 

 

Should add a second stick when you can, it helps.   

BUT  open the pc first to see if you have one stick or two sticks of ram already, and if there's an empty slot to add memory. 

If you have a single stick of ram, adding a second stick will make the memory work in dual channel mode which gives a performance increase just by the simple fact of having two sticks, and then you have an extra performance increase on top of that from the extra capacity (ram amount). 

 

cmon man its a hp prebuilt its single channel lol but i had to open the pc to put in a hdd and ill put that amount thanks 

[aday]

15 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Windows key + pause/break to open settings in Windows 10, then on the right click on Advanced System Settings, then advanced, Performance > Settings , Advanced, Change ... make sure there's page file configured on both drives. 

Windows will prefer the one on your SSD and if that gets full, goes to the mechanical drive. 

You can manually limit each page file by setting both min and max values to same value. 

For your system with 8 GB of ram, you probably want at least 24 GB of page file in total. 

 

Should add a second stick when you can, it helps.   

BUT  open the pc first to see if you have one stick or two sticks of ram already, and if there's an empty slot to add memory. 

If you have a single stick of ram, adding a second stick will make the memory work in dual channel mode which gives a performance increase just by the simple fact of having two sticks, and then you have an extra performance increase on top of that from the extra capacity (ram amount). 

 

it worked thank you so much!!!!!