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Nvidia's Jensen Huang to Receive SIA's 2021 Robert N. Noyce Award

Lightwreather
By Lightwreather
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11 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 It honestly feels like I am talking to high school students who has zero experience with how a company operates.

What tech company are you CEO of again? How many CEOs do you know personally? Don't you think that's hypocritical to say considering you have never been a CEO of a multibillion dollar tech company?

 

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

It's just far less than I think some people on this forum thinks.

I think you're wrong and trying to justify the CEO isn't special for some self superiority complex or something. All the info you said has come from the same source, your ass, and you can't seem to take view the other perspective. It's simply I'm right you are wrong now we must belittle them. It would be different if you said hey guys I've personally worked with Lisu Su and Antonio Neri for the past 3 years and here is what I have to say. I would be a lot more receptive and actually curious but you have zero credentials or sources to show how you know exactly how the CEOs of tech companies operate and what they do everyday day to day.

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18 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

AMD did not, and has not "shift to focus on servers and enterprise". AMD's current trend of breaking into the server market is a by-product of them actually making a good CPU architecture

Your entire argument relies on the idea that they just happened to stumble onto some good CPUs, which is completely ridiculous. Like it was just completely luck, just a natural occurrence.

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

What tech company are you CEO of again? How many CEOs do you know personally? Don't you think that's hypocritical to say considering you have never been a CEO of a multibillion dollar tech company?

What kind of argument is that? I don't have to be a CEO to know what they do. 

That's like saying you need to be a singer to know that Justin Bieber sings, otherwise you're a hypocrite. It doesn't make any sense. Also, this is the Internet, I could just lie and say I know 10 CEOs if I wanted. 

 

 

3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I think you're wrong and trying to justify the CEO isn't special for some self superiority complex or something.

Why do you think I am wrong? And no, it's not some superiority complex. I am just tired of seeing people on this forum glorify management staff and ignore the actual engineers that work to make the products.

 

 

3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

All the info you said has come from the same source, your ass, and you can't seem to take view the other perspective.

The thing is that there is no other perspective to view this from. There is just a right way to view things, and a wrong way to view things.

Saying that Lisa Su is the reason for Zen's success makes no sense because she was not the CEO until like halfway through development of that. Zen was in the design phase in 2012. Lisa became CEO in 2014. Zen was in a working state (almost complete) in 2016.

Saying that Bob Swan is the reason for Intel's manufacturing struggles makes no sense because they started having issues long before Bob became the CEO. Intel 10nm was scheduled for 2015. Bob Swan was appointed CEO in 2018.

 

I don't have to "view things from another perspective" because those other perspectives are complete and utter bullshit. 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I would be a lot more receptive and actually curious but you have zero credentials or sources to show how you know exactly how the CEOs of tech companies operate and what they do everyday day to day.

By that logic, I am going to claim that Lisa Su is actually a purple elephant that can breath fire and you're not allowed to say that I am wrong because you need to take into consideration my perspective. If you haven't worked with Lisa Su then you can't say I am wrong.

 

 

3 hours ago, poochyena said:

Your entire argument relies on the idea that they just happened to stumble onto some good CPUs, which is completely ridiculous. Like it was just completely luck, just a natural occurrence.

No it doesn't. I have no idea which posts you are reading but I never said anything of that sorts.

What I said was that AMD did not stumble onto some good CPU. What I said was that engineers at AMD and TSMC created good CPUs, not Lisa Su. Lisa Su wasn't even CEO until halfway through the development of Zen, so giving her credit for that makes no sense. The credit for AMD's good processors (starting with Zen) should go to their and TSMC's engineers, not Lisa Su. It's the engineers that made Zen happen, not the management.

 

Here are some things you have said that are demonstrably false.  

6 hours ago, poochyena said:

Look at AMD, they were at the verge of bankruptcy until they got a new CEO.

AMD kept being on the verge of bankruptcy quite a while after they got their new CEO. It wasn't until Zen launched that things started turning around, and Zen was in development for several years before they got their new CEO. Therefore, I don't understand how anyone can attribute that turn-around to Lisa Su.

 

6 hours ago, poochyena said:

CEOs are who control the company.

This is incorrect. If anyone controls the company, it's the board of directors.

The primary roles of a CEO at a company as large as AMD are:

1) Be the primary communicator between the board of directors and the operations team. If the board of directors want to do something, they tell the CEO which then tells the other C-suites such as the COO and CFO.

2) Be the face of the company. This role includes making public appearances like a trade shows but also things such as read information at shareholder meetings.

3) Some very high level decisions alongside the other members of the operations team (AMD has 20 people on that team when you include Lisa). Things such as come up with or approve company policies.

4) Be responsible for the day to day operations when the board of directors aren't involved. The CEO is responsible for making sure the plans presented by the board of directors are being carried out and followed.

 

  

6 hours ago, poochyena said:

You can have the smartest people in the industry, but a bad CEO can make little use of that and hurt the company. See: Intel.

It was not a bad CEO that hurt Intel. It was issues with their new manufacturing process. No matter which CEO they had, they would have had those issues. 

Also, I assume you're referring to Bob Swan when you say a bad CEO, he did not do a bad job. ~15% growth in stock prices and a ~20% increase in profits is not too bad over the course of about 2 years. I certainly wouldn't say he hurt the company.

 

 

Since BuckGup said my sources were "my ass" and I think people in this thread needs to brush up on their "corporate structure 101", here are some links I think everyone should look through.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/ceo.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/022803.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/boardofdirectors.asp

https://work.chron.com/ceo-vs-board-directors-25433.html

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/c-suite.asp

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/leadership

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7 hours ago, LAwLz said:

AMD's current success has very little to do with Lisa Su. 

Intel's current struggles have very little to do with Bob Swan. 

 

Just because a company is doing well or poorly does not mean it is the CEO that made that happen. 

They might not have to do with it, but a good CEO certainly helps. Intel had Paul Ottelini during it's golden times. Lisa Su came and the fortunes of AMD would change. Similar for Andy Grove, Satya Nadella, Steve Jobs etc.

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3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I don't have to be a CEO to know what they do. 

That's like saying you need to be a singer to know that Justin Bieber sings, otherwise you're a hypocrite.

 

 

Why do you think I am wrong? And no, it's not some superiority complex. I am just tired of seeing people on this forum glorify management staff and ignore the actual engineers that work to make the products.

Lmao what my dude. Are you even reading what you write. By your logic if I know how to murder someone that makes me murderer. No there's a huge difference between reading a job description off of Investopedia and actually doing the job. 

"actual engineers that work to make the products." Again how do you think those actual engineers have the facilities, tools, knowledge, support, and other team members to rely on? I think your just mad that CEOs get more praise than someone you deem as being better or smarter than them. 

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Good to see this forum doing what they do best. "Someone from the non-approved corporation is awarded and achievement/does something good?? WhAt AbOuT <aPpRoVeD cOrPoRaTiOn>??!??!?!?!?!? aPpRoVeD cOrPoRaTiOn'S cEo SAVIOR OF THE WORLDALSKFKSHFD:IHA!!!!!"

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

By your logic if I know how to murder someone that makes me murderer.

What? No. I have no idea how you could even come to that conclusion from reading what I wrote.

You're right, knowing what a CEO does, is not equal to being a CEO. But I don't have to be a CEO to know what a CEO does. You're the one claiming I shouldn't comment on what a CEO does unless I am a CEO myself. That's stupid as hell. I am the one saying you don't have to be a CEO to know what a CEO does.

By your logic, I shouldn't say "murderers kill people" unless I myself am a murderer. You're the one who has this weird "you shouldn't comment on something you yourself aren't" rule.

 

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

No there's a huge difference between reading a job description off of Investopedia and actually doing the job. 

Good thing I didn't just read the job description off of Investopedia then when I formed my opinions then.

The reason why I linked to Investopedia is because YOU said I hadn't posted any sources, so I thought you could benefit from doing the absolute basic of research on the topic you're discussing.

It's hard to have a dialog with someone who doesn't know the basics and are just making a bunch of assumptions, like a lot of people in this thread are.

 

 

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

"actual engineers that work to make the products." Again how do you think those actual engineers have the facilities, tools, knowledge, support, and other team members to rely on?

Well it's not the CEO who make sure the engineers have facilities, tools, knowledge, support and other team members. At least not in a company as big as AMD.

For things like making sure the engineers have tools knowledge and support, it's the line management/first level managers. For making sure they got facilities, it's often a middle manager (like the regional manager), depending on the nature of the facilities that are necessary. If it's a really big decision (like when Intel recently decided to build a new factory) it was up to the board of directors as well as the C-suites to approve of it (not all at once, but as part of the long and tedious approval processes that exists within the companies). 

You have to remember that AMD has over 12,000 employees. The CEO is in close contact with like 20-50 people. The other ~11,950 employees are managed by other people.

It's not up to Lisa Su to make sure AMD's engineers are educated and have access to the tools and support they need. That might work for a company with like 20 employees, but it doesn't scale much past that, and it certainly doesn't scale to 12,000 employees.

 

I recently went on a 1 week course for firewalls because I felt I needed more knowledge regarding PAN-firewalls. I didn't contact the CEO of the company I work for to get that approved. I contacted my boss. When my regional office needed a new office building we didn't contact the CEO, we contacted the regional manager to get it approved.

 

 

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I think your just mad that CEOs get more praise than someone you deem as being better or smarter than them. 

I am mad that ignorant people comment on things they clearly have no understanding of. If you go back to my first couple of posts you will see that I was not mad. I was just correcting someone who was spewing nonsense. It wasn't until people started talking about how Lisa Su was responsible for the success of Zen that I got mad because she wasn't even the fucking CEO when that being developed. I get mad when people who clearly do not understand ANYTHING about the subject keep talking back with nonsense, like you are doing right now.

 

AMD deserves a lot of credit for what they have done in the past 5 or so years. They have been doing great. AMD's employees deserve that credit. Lisa Su deserves credit too. Being a CEO is no easy job and she seems to be doing well. That does not mean Lisa Su single handedly saved the company nor does it mean things wouldn't have gone this way without her.

Lisa Su is important to AMD, but all this nonsense you and poochyena are saying about how she is responsible for educating the engineers, how AMD wouldn't have gotten bankrupt without her, etc really is just nonsense. Same for the people saying Bob Swan is the reason why Intel struggled with 10nm. Statements like these shows a fundamental ignorance about corporate structures. 

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15 hours ago, LAwLz said:

If you're talking about AMD's sudden success then I think that is attributed far more to TSMC pulling ahead in the manufacturing space at the same time as Intel started struggling with their own process nodes. Those things would have happened regardless of who was CEO at the time.

 

See my posts in this thread if you want to see my thoughts on the whole "Lisa Su is so amazing because she made AMD great!".

  

 

Lisa Su wasn't even CEO when AMD started working on Zen, so I think it's mind blowingly stupid to attribute that to her.

AMD started development of Zen after they had hired Jim Keller, which happened in 2012. The team was also headed by Suzanne Plummer, and Michael Clark was the chief architect of Zen (I am saying this so that people don't start circle jerking about how Jim Keller saved AMD).

Lusa Su became CEO in 2014...

So what you're essentially saying is that coaches shouldn't take any responsibility for the performance of their athletes because they're not the ones on the field....

 

It might be stupid to claim that a CEO is single handedly responsible for the fortunes of a company but at the end of the day, it is ultimately their job to oversee the fortunes of the entire company and their responsibility for the way the company performs. Just because they're not in the lab doesn't mean they don't have to take the shit slinging from the shareholders during investor calls.

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9 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

So what you're essentially saying is that coaches shouldn't take any responsibility for the performance of their athletes because they're not the ones on the field....

If your sports team has over 12,000 different athletes and won because of a strategy and training routine that was put in place several years before the new coach got the job, and the coach doesn't talk or even meet the athletes then yes, I don't think the coach should be quoted as the reason for winning the game.

 

What you and others seems to not understand is that massive corporations like AMD are not structured nor do they work the same way as some school sports team that has like 30 people in it are.

It is a mistake to compare AMD to a sports team because they are not at all on the same scale of things. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

It might be stupid to claim that a CEO is single handedly responsible for the fortunes of a company but at the end of the day, it is ultimately their job to oversee the fortunes of the entire company and their responsibility for the way the company performs. Just because they're not in the lab doesn't mean they don't have to take the shit slinging from the shareholders during investor calls.

I agree.

Before this turns into a back and forth argument between you and I, I'd like for you to go back and read my previous replies and the posts I have replied to. I think both you and I agree with each other and that we'd be on the same side if you saw the comments I replied to. Comments like how Lisa Su is the reason why AMD didn't go bankrupt, how Lisa Su is the reason Zen turned out to be good or that Bob Swan is the reason why Intel has struggled with 10nm.

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39 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Before this turns into a back and forth argument between you and I...

But, but, but, I like our back and fourths 😄

 

Yeah, having read the rest of the thread I can see what you mean.

 

I guess the best way to describe it would be, there's a difference between being responsible and taking responsibility. CEOs are always the latter, not always the former.

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