Building my computer (need some advices.)

[xShu]

Budget : 2000 ~ 2500€

Country: France

Will be used to play any games with very good performances & also VRChat (Full body tracking with Valve Index)

Hello there, i'm here because i want to know if you guys have any other pieces in mind i can use without throwing my money away for nothing-
Basically, i don't want to pay 500€ more for something that'll only increase the performances by 5% ~ 10%.
I just know some stuff but i'm a complete noob with PCs-

That's the actual new list i have in mind : https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nqshu/saved/mnWQP6 | Might also buy the Logitech g502 lightspeed & the corsair k70 mk.2. (which will add ~250€)
Btw the reasons i chosed those components is because i want to go for a good and white gaming PC with some RGB.

[GeorgeMKane]

The AIO you picked is heavily overpriced, and the case comes with no case fans.

 

You can get an 8-core processor, 2TB SSD build for around the same price. If you have the funds, add that second kit of memory back.

 

Here is the revised list.

[xShu]

12 minutes ago, GeorgeMKane said:

The AIO you picked is heavily overpriced, and the case comes with no case fans.

 

You can get an 8-core processor, 2TB SSD build for around the same price. If you have the funds, add that second kit of memory back.

 

Here is the revised list.

This one is a default choice for now, since i want a good white one. Is there any big difference between 2 or 3 fans on the AIO?

Oh and yeah, i forgot to add more memory- I did it after. For the i5-10k i took it without really thinking, i don't know which CPU is actually the most optimized for the PC i want to make.
For the case, i took this one because i'm looking for a really specific style, like this one :
 

Spoiler

 

[rockyroller]

Game developers are currently programming games that the hardware hasn't been made yet, but they expect it will be by the time they finish the code and marketing sell by date. I say this as you say "play any games with very good performances" and the fact is, no PC meets that requirement for future games!!! 

 

The only thing you can do is buy the fastest and quite often the most newly released (with added costs for being that new) part you can afford.

 

I'd actually suggest wait until next year for that future proof PC, judging by the latest leaked reviews so far. As every single PC part is due for a tech leap upgrade over what we have now.

[xShu]

2 minutes ago, rockyroller said:

Game developers are currently programming games that the hardware hasn't been made yet, but they expect it will be by the time they finish the code and marketing sell by date. I say this as you say "play any games with very good performances" and the fact is, no PC meets that requirement for future games!!! 

 

The only thing you can do is buy the fastest and quite often the most newly released (with added costs for being that new) part you can afford.

 

I'd actually suggest wait until next year for that future proof PC, judging by the latest leaked reviews so far. As every single PC part is due for a tech leap upgrade over what we have now.

I'm not looking for 4k with 300 FPS actually-

I'm used to have a shitty computer with bad performances sinces i never had the money to buy a new computer. If i can run at 90fps + with very high graphics, i'll be happy.
I might do some video editing as well-

[rockyroller]

I'd actually say your PC build won't play all current games with very good performance at ultra levels, it is more a I will just about play it build with the top AAA products like Cyberpunk. You'd need the top of the range parts going by the reviews on YouTube to play it at ultra and stutter free.

I think you might get 30fps in Cyberpunk or less with your proposed build at medium settings but that is a guess not a fact. I just want you to be aware you will not meet you criteria within you price range, you might get a play ok but at high at most resolutions, then medium resolutions in a couple of years, then by six years forget about the latest AAA games you won't have a hope.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

44 minutes ago, xShu said:

Budget : 2000 ~ 2500€

Country: France

Will be used to play any games with very good performances & also VRChat (Full body tracking with Valve Index)

Hello there, i'm here because i want to know if you guys have any other pieces in mind i can use without throwing my money away for nothing-
Basically, i don't want to pay 500€ more for something that'll only increase the performances by 5% ~ 10%.
I just know some stuff but i'm a complete noob with PCs-

That's the actual new list i have in mind : https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nqshu/saved/mnWQP6 | Might also buy the Logitech g502 lightspeed & the corsair k70 mk.2. (which will add ~250€)
Btw the reasons i chosed those components is because i want to go for a good and white gaming PC with some RGB.

Horribly underpowered build for that price just for some useless asthetics

 

The cpu is underpowered, id suggest 5600x minimum and 5800x reccomended

 

The gpu is also abit underpowered, maybe get a 3070 instead

 

Performance >>> asthetics

[xShu]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Horribly underpowered build for that price just for some useless asthetics

 

The cpu is underpowered, id suggest 5600x minimum and 5800x reccomended

 

The gpu is also abit underpowered, maybe get a 3070 instead

 

Performance >>> asthetics

I always go for asthetics first, no matter what. If i can have both, that's even better.
Like i've said i'm not looking for a gaming beast, but a computer i can use to run any game with good graphics and performances.
If i had 4k budget, i'd go for a beast, but i don't want to waste that much.

Well, i used UserBenchmark to compare both GPUs, and for the large price & small performances differences, i.. don't think it's worth it?

Maybe you can make one build with the budget i have so i can see?
I'd be grateful.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/dh4NdD

This is a more performance biased build but asthetics have been mostly kept, though the aio was thrown out the window cause its overpriced asf and ik you arent overclocking so dont bother

[xShu]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/dh4NdD

This is a more performance biased build but asthetics have been mostly kept, though the aio was thrown out the window cause its overpriced asf and ik you arent overclocking so dont bother

Oh well, you just did it, i'll check, thanks-

[rockyroller]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Horribly underpowered build for that price just for some useless asthetics

 

The cpu is underpowered, id suggest 5600x minimum and 5800x reccomended

 

The gpu is also abit underpowered, maybe get a 3070 instead

 

Performance >>> asthetics

I'd agree with that.

8 or more core CPU as a minimum

more Ram, 32Gb as a minimum and 3600mhz at 16Cl as the target

and if you can't afford the hyperinflated gfx cards then a mid price ranged one like you suggest. Next gen cards will x2 faster than what we have now according to leaks and demand far more power.

 

Me, personally I'd prefer NVMe drives over SSD after using it, I actually use SSD for retro gaming now.

 

as for bling and RGB, TBH get a MSI or Asus board as they have the better software managers, ASUS has an edge as they also sell parts like keyboards that work with the software. I love these ARGB Strip,550mm RGB LED Light Strip, 3Pin 5V PC Computer Cases Controller Lighting Strip (1 Set led Light) : AmazonSmile: Lighting. I like the MSI AiO coolers colours

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, xShu said:

I always go for asthetics first, no matter what.

Asthetics often come with a steep price so basically leads you down the road of overspending on asthetics and not giving a crap about the function aka in this case performance

 

 

A good way to build a pc is specing it out till you have the best specs that you can actually use, in this case 5800x + a decent gpu like 3070 or 3080

 

Then with the leftover budget you can spend it on asthetics

 

 

If you cant tell already im the type of guy to go yeet everything uneccesary and go ham on the specs of my pc for max performance or ocing

[suedseefrucht]

1 hour ago, xShu said:

Budget : 2000 ~ 2500€

At that price point, it's a high end build.
So you should easiely get an i7 and a better GPU.

 

 

1 hour ago, xShu said:

good and white gaming PC with some RGB.

Personally, I think a good PC lives long, is quiet and is build from aluminum.

Your case is pretty big for supporting just an SFX power supply. If you pick a bigger power supply, it will be quieter because the fan can spin at less RPM for the same cooling and it will be cheaper.

For example: Phanteks Innovative Computer Hardware Design (Not white, but galaxy silver, RGB, Thermal glass)

The Phanteks case has less volume and still the bigger PSU support. Also more CPU clearence in case you want to go for air cooling in the future.
For example: STRAIGHT POWER 11 850W Gold. (ATX PSU which has half of the disturbing noise of your current one)

If you like, take a look at my build down below. I built it early last year for about 1300 €. It includes an i7 9700 and a RTX 2070. I saved a lot of money on the mainboard by just not overclocking. And I went for air cooling, which makes my CPU cooler cost less than 50€.

[GeorgeMKane]

1 hour ago, xShu said:

This one is a default choice for now, since i want a good white one. Is there any big difference between 2 or 3 fans on the AIO?

Oh and yeah, i forgot to add more memory- I did it after. For the i5-10k i took it without really thinking, i don't know which CPU is actually the most optimized for the PC i want to make.
For the case, i took this one because i'm looking for a really specific style, like this one :
 

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Recommend looking at the case a little closer. The person who built with that case bought 2 sets of non-RGB 3-pack 120mm fans... and you want RGB, which costs more too. Which I mean, you can do, but you'll be over budget. For the record, that Lian Li case is INCREDIBLY overrated and overpriced, for what it is. Unless you're building a pc with a custom liquid cooling solution, it makes no sense to use.

 

Also, the AIO's that we both listed have 3 fans. You can go for the 2 fan option, which is nice because it saves a little money, though too.

 

P.S. You can have BOTH aesthetics and performance, at the same time. It's very possible, especially with your budget.

 

What you would do with the list I posted, right... Is unmount the fans from the front of the case, and mount them at the top and back of the case. Then mount the AIO (with its 3 fan setup) at the front of the case. You also can mount 2 fans at the bottom of this Corsair case, so I added that, along with a fan controller that's going to help you out connecting the fans and the RGB to the motherboard (Hint: Use the lighting node pro, that comes with the case, with it).

 

This should be everything you need, excluding the peripherals, of course.

 

Further Revised List

[xShu]

32 minutes ago, GeorgeMKane said:

Recommend looking at the case a little closer. The person who built with that case bought 2 sets of non-RGB 3-pack 120mm fans... and you want RGB, which costs more too. Which I mean, you can do, but you'll be over budget. For the record, that Lian Li case is INCREDIBLY overrated and overpriced, for what it is. Unless you're building a pc with a custom liquid cooling solution, it makes no sense to use.

 

Also, the AIO's that we both listed have 3 fans. You can go for the 2 fan option, which is nice because it saves a little money, though too.

 

P.S. You can have BOTH aesthetics and performance, at the same time. It's very possible, especially with your budget.

 

What you would do with the list I posted, right... Is unmount the fans from the front of the case, and mount them at the top and back of the case. Then mount the AIO (with its 3 fan setup) at the front of the case. You also can mount 2 fans at the bottom of this Corsair case, so I added that, along with a fan controller that's going to help you out connecting the fans and the RGB to the motherboard (Hint: Use the lighting node pro, that comes with the case, with it).

 

This should be everything you need, excluding the peripherals, of course.

 

Further Revised List

Hmm, i see. Well, thanks for the advices then.

I was also thinking, what do you think about pre-builded computer?
Like this one for exemple : https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-11700kf-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-2tb-hdd-512gb-ssd/6455824.p?skuId=6455824

For the same budget.

[suedseefrucht]

35 minutes ago, xShu said:

I was also thinking, what do you think about pre-builded computer?
Like this one for exemple : https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-11700kf-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-2tb-hdd-512gb-ssd/6455824.p?skuId=6455824

That seems impossible. The RTX3080 and the i7 11700K just take all the budget. 
So I'm wondering about the other components. It has to be the cheapest power supply possible, the cheapest RAM possible, the cheapest motherboard possible and it looks like the stock CPU cooler.

So I think, the PC will be pretty loud.

 

But for the CPU and the GPU, the price is insanely awesome.

[xShu]

10 minutes ago, suedseefrucht said:

That seems impossible. The RTX3080 and the i7 11700K just take all the budget. 
So I'm wondering about the other components. It has to be the cheapest power supply possible, the cheapest RAM possible, the cheapest motherboard possible and it looks like the stock CPU cooler.

So I think, the PC will be pretty loud.

 

But for the CPU and the GPU, the price is insanely awesome.

Hmm i see. I guess it's not really worth it anymore since all the price is only going in some pieces.

Well yeah sadly.. All prices exploded. Before that price explosion, a " good " pc was like around 1k - 1k5, now it's 2k minimum..

Btw, i mixed what i like and what George told me : There

I just like the case too much to get rid of it-

How is it?

[suedseefrucht]

3 minutes ago, xShu said:

Well yeah sadly.. All prices exploded. Before that price explosion, a " good " pc was like around 1k - 1k5, now it's 2k minimum..

Define "good PC"...

I mean... If you use Full HD (1080p) at the correct distance to your eye, your eyes can't see the pixels. That was what Full HD was made for. 
Your eye sees 24 pictures per second as a movement. 60 FPS is already really smooth.

A good PC for 1080p gaming at 60 FPS is possible < 1000€.
 

Personally I build my system for 1440p gaming with the RTX 2070 and it's awesome for just 1300€ back in early 2020.

But sure, if you want 4K gaming with 120 FPS, you pay > 2000 €

[xShu]

3 minutes ago, suedseefrucht said:

Define "good PC"...

I mean... If you use Full HD (1080p) at the correct distance to your eye, your eyes can't see the pixels. That was what Full HD was made for. 
Your eye sees 24 pictures per second as a movement. 60 FPS is already really smooth.

A good PC for 1080p gaming at 60 FPS is possible < 1000€.
 

Personally I build my system for 1440p gaming with the RTX 2070 and it's awesome for just 1300€ back in early 2020.

But sure, if you want 4K gaming with 120 FPS, you pay > 2000 €

Well, ngl, if i put that much for my computer it's because i can, and i want to keep this pc during some years without having to upgrade it.

I want to be satisfied of my computer, so i don't mind putting 2k in it.

[suedseefrucht]

4 hours ago, xShu said:

I want to be satisfied of my computer

4K is possible but not really necessary. And you should be aware, that you will need a monitor to use it.
And 4K monitors with 120 FPS cost like 800 € at the moment.

 

For me there is no big difference from 1440p to 4K on a 27" monitor and 1440p 165 Hz monitors cost like 400 €.

So for me that's the sweet spot between gaming experience and price.

 

And for satisfaction, I picked really really quiet components and I love it. But that's personal taste.

bequiet Silent wings 3 fans with just 16 dB, a  16 dB bequiet straight power 11 power supply, a nice 24 dB cpu air cooler and a noise damped fractal design define R6. Under normal operation, I hear absolutely nothing. Under heavy load, I hear the graphics card.
For me, that's satisfaction.

And... sometimes you don't even notice ultra settings:

 

[xShu]

**Edited.**

Looks like i failed my answer and i forgot what i answered. But thanks for the advice, live i've said Very High is enough, i don't need Ultra settings.

[IkeaGnome]

27 minutes ago, xShu said:

 

Why is there a Corsair commander on there?

[Marcos1121231234]

17 hours ago, xShu said:

Budget : 2000 ~ 2500€

Country: France

Will be used to play any games with very good performances & also VRChat (Full body tracking with Valve Index)

Hello there, i'm here because i want to know if you guys have any other pieces in mind i can use without throwing my money away for nothing-
Basically, i don't want to pay 500€ more for something that'll only increase the performances by 5% ~ 10%.
I just know some stuff but i'm a complete noob with PCs-

That's the actual new list i have in mind : https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nqshu/saved/mnWQP6 | Might also buy the Logitech g502 lightspeed & the corsair k70 mk.2. (which will add ~250€)
Btw the reasons i chosed those components is because i want to go for a good and white gaming PC with some RGB.

I would definetly get a better cpu like a ryzen 7 3700x, and maybe less ram

[xShu]

3 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Why is there a Corsair commander on there?

Well, george added it, and i guess i'll need some RGB commands, so- Is it not compatible or smth?

[GeorgeMKane]

1 hour ago, xShu said:

Well, george added it, and i guess i'll need some RGB commands, so- Is it not compatible or smth?

It's compatible with Corsair fans, so you're good there. I think they're wondering why the additional cost. The biggest benefit of getting the commander pro is the cable management, and not having to use and trying to route so many wires in the front, where it counts more.

 

Pro tip: If you look at the build Linus did at MicroCenter, where he sold the build for $20, he got a bunch of Corsair fans AND a Commander Pro. (That's not why I added it, I'm just saying... It's a very good idea.)