10700K vs 5600X for almost the same price

[Narfalls]

My friend is building a PC and at Microcenter they have a i7-10700K for $269.99 and a R5-5600X for $279.99. He is getting a 3070 but we are stuck on what CPU to get since they are around the same price. The PC will mainly be used for Flight Simulator 2020 and VR. From the reviews I have seen, the 5600X has a better IPC than the 10700K, but the 10700K has 2 more cores and 4 more threads. Any help on what CPU to pick would be appreciated, thanks.

[SirWendall]

I personally like how my 5600x is performing so far. Really depends on what team you are for. Intel has become the budget solution now, but I would personally go 5600x 100%

[CryingWimp]

If your friend uses YouTube/Twitch while gaming 100% the i7. My bestfriend keeps his entire chrome tab minimized and a few other things while gaming  It'll basically come down to exactly what he does what is faster.

 

Personally I'd get a 10700f or make the jump to a 10850k, the 10850k was $329 for a while a microcenter, not sure if they still are. If you can get the I9 for $50 more, its 100% the way to go, it'll resell for $50 more in a few years costing nothing to own and be faster in every way. People forget that i9s are faster than all but the Ryzen 9s unless solely playing esports.

[Quickstrike]

36 minutes ago, Narfalls said:

My friend is building a PC and at Microcenter they have a i7-10700K for $269.99 and a R5-5600X for $279.99. He is getting a 3070 but we are stuck on what CPU to get since they are around the same price. The PC will mainly be used for Flight Simulator 2020 and VR. From the reviews I have seen, the 5600X has a better IPC than the 10700K, but the 10700K has 2 more cores and 4 more threads. Any help on what CPU to pick would be appreciated, thanks.

Both CPUs are almost identical in performance. The AMD produce less heat so it might last longer.

It come down to the quality of motherboard that will be used.
You can get away with pluggin an 5600x on a less expensive B450 (you sacrifice PCIe 4.0) While a good LGA1200 will be a little more expensive.

[Omar.B]

17 minutes ago, Quickstrike said:

Both CPUs are almost identical in performance. The AMD produce less heat so it might last longer.

It come down to the quality of motherboard that will be used.
You can get away with pluggin an 5600x on a less expensive B450 (you sacrifice PCIe 4.0) While a good LGA1200 will be a little more expensive.

No need to with the 5600x a MSI b550 pro will do the job and its not that expensive its like the b450 price range maybe but its better 

[CryingWimp]

35 minutes ago, Omar.B said:

No need to with the 5600x a MSI b550 pro will do the job and its not that expensive its like the b450 price range maybe but its better 

I agree, I'd avoid 300 series 100% no exceptions and even 400 series if you don't already own one. I'd even consider selling a 400 series board. A lot of people have had small bugs all over the place using Zen 3 on previous gen boards. Micro stuttering is a fairly common issue, and a whole bunch of IO/connectivity bugs. B550 is actually newer than x570 and has all the kinks ironed out, if you don't need the x570 pcie layout a decent b550 board is actually better.

[Narfalls]

52 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

I agree, I'd avoid 300 series 100% no exceptions and even 400 series if you don't already own one. I'd even consider selling a 400 series board. A lot of people have had small bugs all over the place using Zen 3 on previous gen boards. Micro stuttering is a fairly common issue, and a whole bunch of IO/connectivity bugs. B550 is actually newer than x570 and has all the kinks ironed out, if you don't need the x570 pcie layout a decent b550 board is actually better.

How much longer will the 500 series chipset be supported on AMD, I was thinking of having him get a higher end board like the B550 Taichi or X570 Taichi so that he can have a upgrade path since intel will probably have a new chipset for 12th gen.

[Middcore]

500 series chipset is probably the end for AM4.

 

[CryingWimp]

Yeah AM4 is done after Zen3. You'll need a new MB and likely DDR5.

 

I'd check for a 10850k, I see online they are $319 in different locations at microcenter. At $40 more for the 10850k it wins 100% no question over a 10700k/5600x. Its 10 cores 20 threads, it is faster in everyway today compared to a 5600x/10700k and likely prevent the want for an upgrade in a few years. I cannot express strongly enough how much the 10850k is the better choice at $40 difference. Especially considering the games mentioned.

 

Its true Ryzen has the fastest gaming CPUs on the planet, but its only the Ryzen 9s 5900x/5950x, the Intel i9s actually beat the 5600x/5800x. The 10850k is a $450 10 core I9 beast on sale for $319, the 5600x 6 core is IMO a $250 CPU marked up to $279.

 

Plus considering the resell when upgrading, a 10850k is basically 100% guaranteed to sell for $40 more than a 5600x/10700k in a few years when it's time to upgrade, your friend can thank me then for saving him money plus having a faster PC this whole time.

[Narfalls]

3 hours ago, CryingWimp said:

Yeah AM4 is done after Zen3. You'll need a new MB and likely DDR5.

 

I'd check for a 10850k, I see online they are $319 in different locations at microcenter. At $40 more for the 10850k it wins 100% no question over a 10700k/5600x. Its 10 cores 20 threads, it is faster in everyway today compared to a 5600x/10700k and likely prevent the want for an upgrade in a few years. I cannot express strongly enough how much the 10850k is the better choice at $40 difference. Especially considering the games mentioned.

 

Its true Ryzen has the fastest gaming CPUs on the planet, but its only the Ryzen 9s 5900x/5950x, the Intel i9s actually beat the 5600x/5800x. The 10850k is a $450 10 core I9 beast on sale for $319, the 5600x 6 core is IMO a $250 CPU marked up to $279.

 

Plus considering the resell when upgrading, a 10850k is basically 100% guaranteed to sell for $40 more than a 5600x/10700k in a few years when it's time to upgrade, your friend can thank me then for saving him money plus having a faster PC this whole time.

The 10850K is a good deal, but with tax + the 3070 it pushes the budget over by a little. I will try to persuade him to get a 10850k though.

[CryingWimp]

21 minutes ago, Narfalls said:

The 10850K is a good deal, but with tax + the 3070 it pushes the budget over by a little. I will try to persuade him to get a 10850k though.

Hopefully you can, saving $40 on very sweet build with at least a $1500-2000 budget to have a significantly slower part seems unbalanced. Especially if a x570 Taichi was a legit option, that board isn't cheap. Very good motherboards can be had for easily $40 less and the whole system would be better balanced and faster in everyway.

 

If the prices we're not so close then I'd 100% agree, get what ever is in the budget. I'd argue that if the budget is that tight, then spending the extra $40 more now makes even more sense because I guarantee it'll last longer than a 5600x or even the 10700k.

 

If the budget really cannot move a 10700f is basically a cheaper 10700k. I really hope the MB is not more expensive than the CPU and that it isn't expensive ram and PSU.

 

My first build I had expensive Ram, PSU, and MB. I could have had a great MB,PSU,Ram and moved $100 more  to the CPU without changing my budget, I really regret not getting the other CPU.

 

[Narfalls]

18 hours ago, CryingWimp said:

Hopefully you can, saving $40 on very sweet build with at least a $1500-2000 budget to have a significantly slower part seems unbalanced. Especially if a x570 Taichi was a legit option, that board isn't cheap. Very good motherboards can be had for easily $40 less and the whole system would be better balanced and faster in everyway.

 

If the prices we're not so close then I'd 100% agree, get what ever is in the budget. I'd argue that if the budget is that tight, then spending the extra $40 more now makes even more sense because I guarantee it'll last longer than a 5600x or even the 10700k.

 

If the budget really cannot move a 10700f is basically a cheaper 10700k. I really hope the MB is not more expensive than the CPU and that it isn't expensive ram and PSU.

 

My first build I had expensive Ram, PSU, and MB. I could have had a great MB,PSU,Ram and moved $100 more  to the CPU without changing my budget, I really regret not getting the other CPU.

 

Sorry for responding so late, but the z590 Vision G and the B550 taichi are the same price with the micro center rebate, from what I have found, the build with the 10850k is right under the budget of $2000 (1949.99) including a monitor and keyboard if we price match. Hopefully he will decide to go the route with the 10850k 

[Mister Woof]

I have read good things about the Gigabyte Z590 UD, which performs well thermally even with an 11900k.

 

Although it only has 2 m.2 slots, one of which would probably be disabled with a 10th gen chip.

 

I don't know which one I would choose honestly. I'd probably either get the 11700K, 10850k, or 5800x or 5900x though.

 

Can't bring myself personally to go down to 6 core again, even if they are sufficient.

[Narfalls]

17 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I have read good things about the Gigabyte Z590 UD, which performs well thermally even with an 11900k.

 

Although it only has 2 m.2 slots, one of which would probably be disabled with a 10th gen chip.

 

I don't know which one I would choose honestly. I'd probably either get the 11700K, 10850k, or 5800x or 5900x though.

 

Can't bring myself personally to go down to 6 core again, even if they are sufficient.

For $60 more without sales tax, he could get a 5800x ($2047) rather than the 10850k ($1987). Would that be worth it?

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, Narfalls said:

For $60 more without sales tax, he could get a 5800x ($2047) rather than the 10850k ($1987). Would that be worth it?

Performance wise they're about the same in most scenarios, give or take.

 

10850k prob. needs a better motherboard and cooler, though. So it's a wash.

[Narfalls]

12 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Performance wise they're about the same in most scenarios, give or take.

 

10850k prob. needs a better motherboard and cooler, though. So it's a wash.

Would the 10850k and 5800x be overkill for a Flight sim rig and VR?

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, Narfalls said:

Would the 10850k and 5800x be overkill for a Flight sim rig and VR?

 

5800x wins this one

 

although, these results are a bit weird with the 10600k beating out the higher tier chips. i would look at some other tests.

[Narfalls]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

 

5800x wins this one

 

although, these results are a bit weird with the 10600k beating out the higher tier chips. i would look at some other tests.

I am just a little worried for around $1700 in total (since the 3070 is above msrp) that the 5600k will seem a little underpowered compared to the 10700k for the hefty price tag. The results seem accurate compared to other videos I have seen.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Narfalls said:

I am just a little worried for around $1700 in total (since the 3070 is above msrp) that the 5600k will seem a little underpowered compared to the 10700k for the hefty price tag. The results seem accurate compared to other videos I have seen.

Hard to say man. Ultimately I don't think you'll really notice one way or another. At least not in a way that is really significant.

[Narfalls]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Hard to say man. Ultimately I don't think you'll really notice one way or another. At least not in a way that is really significant.

It is a $10 USD price difference, it would have to be up to him on which one he chooses.

[freeagent]

My 5900X maintains its clocks as well as my 5600X does.. but I am cheating.. sorta.

 

 

[CryingWimp]

I agree avoid the 5600x, its very pricey for 6 cores. None of the Ryzen CPUs except the Ryzen 9s make sense at a given pricepoint.

 

The flight sim will be CPU limited before GPU limited, the fastest CPU possible is ideal for that game. 5600x/10700k/11700k are all about equal, then the 10850k/5800x is 2nd fastest, 5900x/5950x are the fastest. The Ryzen 9s likely need PBO enabled to get better gaming performance. The default wattage is silly low, its so people with terrible coolers don't melt there PC or to make there efficiency charts look better?

 

IMO a 5800x is the worst priced option out of any CPU, for $100 more you can get a monster of a CPU the 5900x or for a lot less the 10850k. The 5800x will be great in the 1 game, if thats legit all that itll ever do then I guess the extra money of a 5800x makes sense, but its literally the worst value CPU on the market.

 

I'd tell my friend to avoid 6 cores in 2021, it is already showings its limits in some new games which means going forward more and more games will be limited by 6 cores. Especially with anything running in the background. Nearly $2000 on a PC is silly to have 6 cores in 2021. I'd bet a lot of money people buying 6 cores in 2021 will be wanting an upgrade way way sooner then they plan.

 

Total cost of ownership - the bad value chips cost more long term, they have bad upfront price for there performance and will resell based on the performance, so they will be more expensive to own over the best value chip in each performance category. 10400f,10700f, 10850k, 5900x are the cheapest options to own in the given category. Substitute k/kf/f/0 models depending on whats currently cheaper.

 

On average the 10850k will be faster in everyway except compared to a Ryzen 9 and hold more value overtime because its on sale for $319.

 

TBH any of the 5600x/10700(x)/5800x/10850k will be amazing coming from an older PC, I wouldn't worry about which to much. What ever the pricing is when you buy is the easiest way to decide IMO. Right now the 10850k is on a big discount.

[Mister Woof]

35 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

The flight sim will be CPU limited before GPU limited, the fastest CPU possible is ideal for that game. 5600x/10700k/11700k are all about equal, then the 10850k/5800x is 2nd fastest, 5900x/5950x are the fastest. The Ryzen 9s likely need PBO enabled to get better gaming performance. The default wattage is silly low, its so people with terrible coolers don't melt there PC or to make there efficiency charts look better?

 

IMO a 5800x is the worst priced option out of any CPU, for $100 more you can get a monster of a CPU the 5900x or for a lot less the 10850k. The 5800x will be great in the 1 game, if thats legit all that itll ever do then I guess the extra money of a 5800x makes sense, but its literally the worst value CPU on the market.

 

I'd tell my friend to avoid 6 cores in 2021, it is already showings its limits in some new games which means going forward more and more games will be limited by 6 cores. Especially with anything running in the background. Nearly $2000 on a PC is silly to have 6 cores in 2021. I'd bet a lot of money people buying 6 cores in 2021 will be wanting an upgrade way way sooner then they plan.

 

Total cost of ownership - the bad value chips cost more long term, they have bad upfront price for there performance and will resell based on the performance. So they will be more expensive to own over the best value chip in each performance category. 10400f,10700f, 10850k, 5900x are the cheapest options to own in the given category. Substitute k/kf/f/0 models depending on whats currently cheaper.

 

TBH any of the 5600x/10700(x)/5800x/10850k will be amazing coming from an older PC, I wouldn't worry about which to much. What ever the pricing is when you buy is the easiest way to decide IMO.

Hard to find 5900x though. Although even at $$675 its uncontested from Intel. And I suppose the 5950x is all on its own out there.

 

Presently in the USA, the 5800x is only $399. 

That's competing directly against the 11700K and 10850K right now both of which are $399.

 

At $299, the 5600x is up against the 10700KF ($301), with the differences being the 10700KF needs a cooler and a higher end motherboard.

 

 

[CryingWimp]

21 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

That's competing directly against the 11700K and 10850K right now both of which are $399.

 

 

 

 

The 10850k is $319 at microcenter, that's really the only option that makes sense with such an amazing discount for a monster CPU. Its literally a top tier CPU for mid tier price.

[Mister Woof]

18 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

The 10850k is $319 at microcenter, that's really the only option that makes sense with such an amazing sale for a monster CPU. Its literally a top tier CPU for mid tier price.

Most people don't really have access to Microcenters. I'm in California and the closest one is 6 hours away. But yes, if you live by a MC then things change.