Apple accidentally ending up with all the slave labor employing companies, Linus needs to talk about this

[Cherno77]

Most people don't know about this since no big media person is covering this. Louis Rossman did talk about their forced labour in India but the one in China is much worse. 

 

Apple lobbying against stopping forced labor products:
- Apple Spent $90,000 Lobbying Lawmakers on Uyghur Forced Labor Bill - yahoonews

 

Apple's integration in China 
- Censorship, Surveillance and Profits: A Hard Bargain for Apple in China - nytimes

 

Apple suppliers using forced labor
- Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China - washingtonpost
- Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China
- Nike and Coca-Cola Lobby Against Xinjiang Forced Labor Bill - nytimes
- Multiple Apple Suppliers Accused of Using Forced Uyghur Labor - yahoonews
- Seven Apple Suppliers Accused of Using Forced Labor From Xinjiang - TheInformation
- US Freezes Imports On Goods Made By Uighur Forced Labor In Chinese ‘Re-Education’ Camps In Xinjiang - dailycaller
- China Forces Hundreds of Thousands of Uyghurs to Work in Xinjiang Cotton Fields: Report - nationalreview
- Apple’s Employee Uniforms Tied to Forced Labor in Xinjiang - techtransparencyproject

 

Labor law violations
- Apple and Foxconn confirmed they broke a Chinese labor law by employing too many temporary workers at the world's biggest iPhone factory

- Apple suspends business with its 2nd-largest iPhone manufacturer, Pegatron, after discovering student-labor violations in China - businessinsider
- Former employees say Apple stood by while suppliers violated Chinese labor laws - TheVerge

 

Edited May 31, 2021 by Cherno77
changed the title to be more accurate. Original title: Apple's slavery, Linus needs to talk about this

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, Cherno77 said:

Most people don't know about this since no big media person is covering this. Louis Rossman did talk about their forced labour in India but the one in China is much worse. 

 

Apple suppliers using forced labor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techno...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techno...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/bu...

https://news.yahoo.com/multiple-apple...

https://www.techtransparencyproject.o...

https://goodelectronics.org/seven-app...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/c...

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/14/ch...

Labor law violations

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple...

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/9/22...

India workers strike against Apple factory https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...

https://www.reuters.com/article/india...

Apple lobbying against stopping forced labor products https://news.yahoo.com/apple-spent-90...

i cant even click any of these links, low effort copy pasta?

pls fix

[Cherno77]

3 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

 

Low quality bait, try again

Lol I just pasted the links incorrectly, check it now. 

[Cherno77]

13 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

i cant even click any of these links, low effort copy pasta?

pls fix

Sorry, fixed it and improving, didn't know people would see it so quickly haha sorry.

[Blademaster91]

This isn't new, apple has been using forced labor for a while now.

 

[Blademaster91]

2 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

You could say that all companies outsourcing to Chinese companies are helping promoting this kind of slavery then, but you don't, just just name Apple which is the same thing over and over

That doesn't excuse apple from doing so in my opinion, a multi trillion dollar company like apple could choose to have stuff made somewhere else with decent working conditions, and still make a significant profit margin.

Edit- also considering how tightly controlled apple's manufacturing is, to the point not even repair techs can't get parts unless directly from apple, yes apple is in charge of what companies produce their products.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Blademaster91

[SorryBella]

13 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

 

Low quality bait, try again

considering they just yeet the format out the window, yes.

 

And this is a systemic issues on every giant tech suppliers in the world imo, foxconn was in this for a long time. But the reality of it is that beyond burning bridges, Apple have no other cheap options on the table.

 

AND to single it out to apple and to punctuate an LMG employee to read it, its pretty much OP pulling a clickbait on an already clickbaity post for those who have 0 reading and attention span.

[Cherno77]

2 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Yeah yeah... I don't care about the links, we all know the kind of slavery existing in Chinese manufacturing companies

But Apple is not Chinese, Apple is not in charge of those companies, and more importantly: Apple is not those companies

I said "bait" because the title is clearly bait -> Apple's slavery != Apple's suppliers' slavery

 

You could say that all companies outsourcing to Chinese companies are helping promoting this kind of slavery then, but you don't, just just name Apple which is the same thing over and over

 

And this is barely news

 

Edit: to clarify, I am not saying that Apple is not to blame for the lack of effort keeping their suppliers as humane as possible, but this is the kind of stuff that happens when you outsource your production, whatever it is (take a look at clothes manufacturers in the rest of asia)

yeah but apple coincidentally ends up with all the slavers.

[Cherno77]

1 minute ago, SorryClaire said:

considering they just yeet the format out the window, yes.

 

And this is a systemic issues on every giant tech suppliers in the world imo, foxconn was in this for a long time. But the reality of it is that beyond burning bridges, Apple have no other cheap options on the table.

 

AND to single it out to apple and to punctuate an LMG employee to read it, its pretty much OP pulling a clickbait on an already clickbaity post for those who have 0 reading and attention span.

what should be a more accurate title?

[Cherno77]

4 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Edit: to clarify, I am not saying that Apple is not to blame for the lack of effort keeping their suppliers as humane as possible, but this is the kind of stuff that happens when you outsource your production, whatever it is (take a look at clothes manufacturers in the rest of asia)

I'm from Bangladesh, second largest clothes manufacturer, while working conditions are poor in most cases, it's not on the level of forced labor or slavery. 

[Blademaster91]

4 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

I am not defending them, since they could manufacture their products in the US/Canada and Europe (or Japan, S. Korea, etc), places that can ensure a minimum quality of working condition, but... It sounds like it's just Apple's fault, something that almost every company outsourcing to Asia/Africa do

 

considering that there is a lot of focus on Apple and everything they do, I wouldn't be surprised that the investigations are just following them and not others

whatever device you are typing from, it sure was made following low quality working conditions too, doesn't matter if it's a Xperia, iPhone, Samsung, etc

Well yeah its just the way of huge companies nowadays, manufacture stuff cheap as possible but tell the consumer they care about quality of the product. But I think Apple is one of the worst for force labor because of how huge of a company they are, and getting them to change the manufacturer working conditions could get other companies to do the same. Apple has a lot of influence on what other companies do.

[Cherno77]

7 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

That is something that the Chinese government would be guilty of

And I will say it everytime needed: working conditions in China may vary between companies, but after all they are under the same system, it doesn't matter if you hire a company with "good working conditions" in China, you will benefit that system in the end

And I will repeat it again, almost all companies are profiting from these sub-par human treatment, it's just how "bad" can it get (the ones being forced to work, the others being forced to work or otherwise can't pay for food and will starve to death)

What about the part where the lobby against fixing this? 

[LogicalDrm]

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