Ryzen 5 dying in a little over 1 year?

[lafrente]

Below is the error I get. Nothing have been changed the error just randomly started popping out. Doesn't look like a simple error. Is it dying? I always suspected this ryzen 5 3600 to die early because it keeps going up and down from 50 to 65c like 5 times in a minute like an hyperactive child.

 

[lafrente]

My event viewer is full of errors:

[Kanna]

First off you might have bad thermal paste and second don't care about event viewer errors those just blurt out a lot as long as your CPU performs as it should it's fine

[SavageNeo]

So can you see the error in rela life? Like stuttering? if not i would not worry. 50c-65c on idle is fairly normal due to high idle voltage. you can lower that by doing negative voltage offset in bio.s you can google that

[lafrente]

Just now, Kanna said:

First off you might have bad thermal paste and second don't care about event viewer errors those just blurt out a lot as long as your CPU performs as it should it's fine

Why do you assume that I might have bad thermal paste? It doesn't go past 80c. Errors are both in event viewer and hwmonitor. 

[lafrente]

2 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

So can you see the error in rela life? Like stuttering? if not i would not worry. 50c-65c on idle is fairly normal due to high idle voltage. you can lower that by doing negative voltage offset in bio.s you can google that

Not yet, but it looks like hardware error. If so I better send it while it still has warranty.

[kingknightrider]

6 hours ago, lafrente said:

Below is the error I get. Nothing have been changed the error just randomly started popping out. Doesn't look like a simple error. Is it dying? I always suspected this ryzen 5 3600 to die early because it keeps going up and down from 50 to 65c like 5 times in a minute like an hyperactive child.

 

This is indeed hardware related.

HOWEVER it may not be the CPU.

It could also be the memory or the motherboard.

At least these are the most common causes.

 

Though I hate to quote someone from the Microsoft website -here it be:

Spoiler

 

As Patrick Barker says:

Quote

In your case, we're dealing with a Translation lookaside-buffer (TLB) error. It specifically occurred on Processor #6 and Cache Bank #2.

What is a TLB? In a very basic definition, a Translation lookaside-buffer (TLB) is a cache that memory management hardware uses to improve virtual address translation speed. All current desktop, laptop, and server processors include one or more TLBs in the memory management hardware, and it is nearly always present in any hardware that utilizes paged or segmented virtual memory.

By default, a TLB miss whether caused by hardware and/or software complications is not fatal (if the virtual address is not stored in the TLB, it's simply computed and found manually from other source data), but we're crashing on a TLB failure, this implies that the CPU determined there was corruption or a hardware error in date, therefore notified Windows that an unrecoverable hardware error has occurred.

Unfortunately, this is not an easy *124 to solve, and requires a fair bit of troubleshooting as it can be: CPU itself, Motherboard, RAM, etc. In most cases, it's the CPU, with the RAM being 2nd most common and the Motherboard being 3rd.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-update/multiple-bsods-already-tested-hard-drives-and/8567c30e-d91d-49a3-ae95-b0b96f5a77ac

 

What I would advise first is to default your BIOS.

See if it still occurs if so move on to these other tests:

If it does continue you really should check your CPU, Motherboard, Hardware and Memory with diagnostics software.

Like PB says check the memory with the Memtest86+:

https://www.memtest.org/

 

CPU and motherboard I would use:

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cpu-z-download.html

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/hwinfo64-download.html

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-100

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/download-maxon-cinebench.html

 

Use:

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/coretemp-1-rc1.html

To check voltage stability and also clock timings are correct while testing with the above.

 

Also don't forget to check your hard drives as well:

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/crystaldiskinfo-download.html'

 

Also for the bouncy ADHD ryzen chip...

I assume the chip is going turbo?

Your can disable the PBO or if you don't want to do that...

Go into:

Control Panel > Power Options > Change Plan settings > Change advanced plan settings > Processor Power Management:

Change Maximum Processor state from 100% to 99% this will halt the chip from going turbo.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, lafrente said:

. Errors are both in event viewer and hwmonitor. 

The two worst monitoring programs available for modern AMD platforms.

[kingknightrider]

On 5/20/2021 at 2:00 PM, lafrente said:

Not yet, but it looks like hardware error. If so I better send it while it still has warranty.

Just curious if you found out anything or had to indeed return it?

[lafrente]

On 5/27/2021 at 11:25 PM, kingknightrider said:

Just curious if you found out anything or had to indeed return it?

Still using it tbh with the errors because I can't do just with a laptop for weeks. Warranty still has 6 months or so so I'll find a window.

Will update when I send it for warranty. On normal use, I get zero issues.

 

[kingknightrider]

On 6/11/2021 at 5:02 PM, lafrente said:

Still using it tbh with the errors because I can't do just with a laptop for weeks. Warranty still has 6 months or so so I'll find a window.

Will update when I send it for warranty. On normal use, I get zero issues.

 

I just noticed your clock is 3800mhz...

The default clock for the 3600 Ryzen 5 is supposed to be 3600 MHZ.

Whether you know it that chip is being overclock.

You are not overclocking it are you?

If you are take it back to defaults clock speed and you should see the errors stop.

[lafrente]

1 minute ago, kingknightrider said:

I just noticed your clock is 3800mhz...

The default clock for the 3600 Ryzen 5 is supposed to be 3600 MHZ.

Whether you know it that chip is being overclock.

You are not overclocking it are you?

If you are take it back to defaults clock speed and you should see the errors stop.

Lol yeah, this chip has another problem. It started to restart on completely stock clocks just after few months of use, so I just locked it to 3800 at 1.150v which completely fixed it. I'd get 400 restarts in a month which you can see in my old posts. It wasn't a heat issue or anything, as it'd restart on light load in 99% of cases. I'd use a heavy program for 4 hours no issues, I exit and browse the internet for 10 mins, restart.

 

That is unrelated to TLB errors, because TLB started appearing after 10 more months of usage. Basically a shit chip. Quite disappointed to be honest. My last intel chip is 11 years old, still zero issues after 50.000 hours.

[lafrente]

5 minutes ago, kingknightrider said:

I just noticed your clock is 3800mhz...

The default clock for the 3600 Ryzen 5 is supposed to be 3600 MHZ.

Whether you know it that chip is being overclock.

You are not overclocking it are you?

If you are take it back to defaults clock speed and you should see the errors stop.

BTW no yeah 3600 is base but it oc's itself to 4200. 3800 static should be a breeze for it.

[kingknightrider]

1 hour ago, lafrente said:

BTW no yeah 3600 is base but it oc's itself to 4200. 3800 static should be a breeze for it.

So a 3800 static is giving errors on a 3600 chip?

Yep its a crap chip.

Don't worry your not the only one to fail the silicon lottery.

Have you tried setting a static 3600 and see if the errors continue?

 

Or again use the method above and can slowly decrease till no errors show:

Control Panel > Power Options > Change Plan settings > Change advanced plan settings > Processor Power Management:

Change Maximum Processor state from 100% to 99% <<Decrease the number until no errors show.

Will show exactly how bad the chip is...

Though in all accounts the chip should have probably been binned as a 3100X

Either way getting the errors to stop will give you more time before chip failure.

[RejZoR]

All apps except Ryzen Master show totally wrong voltages as well as frequencies.

[kingknightrider]

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

All apps except Ryzen Master show totally wrong voltages as well as frequencies.

 

This is untrue.

I know programs that show the right voltages better than Ryzen Master.

These programs in my opinion are ALOT better than Ryzen Master.

Ryzen Master is a program that has never shown me the right voltages in comparison to the BIOS.

Maybe that has changed since Ryzen 5000 was released but I would never trust RM over my BIOS.

AMD should stick to what its good at with hardware and stay out of the software market altogether.

 

[lafrente]

41 minutes ago, kingknightrider said:

So a 3800 static is giving errors on a 3600 chip?

Yep its a crap chip.

Don't worry your not the only one to fail the silicon lottery.

Have you tried setting a static 3600 and see if the errors continue?

 

Or again use the method above and can slowly decrease till no errors show:

Control Panel > Power Options > Change Plan settings > Change advanced plan settings > Processor Power Management:

Change Maximum Processor state from 100% to 99% <<Decrease the number until no errors show.

Will show exactly how bad the chip is...

Though in all accounts the chip should have probably been binned as a 3100X

Either way getting the errors to stop will give you more time before chip failure.

I don't care about this chip at all, nor the errors. Will send for warranty, still has some 6 months or so. But need a window where I don't need the PC.

 

When a chip works as it should then one day starts malfunctioning without me changing anything, I assume it is almost always hardware fault. So I don't see the point in trying to fix it. As long as it doesn't cause issues, I am just gonna let it do its thing and eventually RMA.

[kingknightrider]

1 hour ago, lafrente said:

I don't care about this chip at all, nor the errors. Will send for warranty, still has some 6 months or so. But need a window where I don't need the PC.

 

When a chip works as it should then one day starts malfunctioning without me changing anything, I assume it is almost always hardware fault. So I don't see the point in trying to fix it. As long as it doesn't cause issues, I am just gonna let it do its thing and eventually RMA.

No problem.

I thought you wanted it to survive till RMA time but I guess if it fails before that window opens it isn't a problem?

 

[RejZoR]

5 minutes ago, kingknightrider said:

This is untrue.

I know programs that show the right voltages better than Ryzen Master.

These programs in my opinion are ALOT better than Ryzen Master.

Ryzen Master is a program that has never shown me the right voltages in comparison to the BIOS.

Maybe that has changed since Ryzen 5000 was released but I would never trust RM over my BIOS.

AMD should stick to what its good at with hardware and stay out of the software market altogether.

 

You do realize CPU's never run the same when you're in a BIOS compared to full on OS like Windows?

[lafrente]

12 minutes ago, kingknightrider said:

No problem.

I thought you wanted it to survive till RMA time but I guess if it fails before that window opens it isn't a problem?

 

Yep then I will have to force a way out of it. 

[kingknightrider]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

You do realize CPU's never run the same when you're in a BIOS compared to full on OS like Windows?

Of course nothing is going to run the same in the BIOS versus an Operating System.

That doesn't help the issue either since even in Windows Ryzen Master displays an AOT voltage reading.

 

I would much rather use OCCT, HWInfo64, Core Temp and ROG CPU-Z -using the CPUID SDK over it.

Since they now use the SV12 TFN sensor to give a live reading and not an AOT reading like RM.

Again this is based on Ryzen 3000 and below -if it has been updated or fixed for 3000 or even 5000 I can't say.

 

Still I would rather trust my BIOS for voltages and frequencies over Ryzen Master Windows readings any day.

To do otherwise is to live foolishly and I will not be caught in such a crowd.

[kingknightrider]

1 hour ago, lafrente said:

Yep then I will have to force a way out of it. 

Alas such is life... to bad can't have a window now and "Force" choke the CPU to death now for another.

[Mark Kaine]

fwiw i had tons of whea errors, and fixed it with the latest (stable) bios update.

 

also i bet if you look those are probably pcie/gpu errors, so unrelated to the cpu errors most likely .