Placeholder GPU - GT 710? GT 1030?

[jwk]

Hello!

Finding a new GPU, or even an old one, that is reasonably priced is a nightmare. I understand it may take months, or a year, before I can find something for my new build. In the meantime I want a placeholder GPU. I am tired of looking at this giant paperweight on my desk and want to pick up something cheap, (< ~ $100), that will at least be able to handle Windows, LibreOffice, web-browsing, YouTube, and Twitch. (And maybe Stardew Valley).

- A GT 710 or a GT 1030 would be sufficient for that type of usage, correct?
- Would a GT 710 or a GT 1030 be able to reach 2560 x 1440 resolution with that type of usage? (If so, what might be the Hz at that resolution)?

- Are there other GT/lower-end cheaper, (< ~ $100), cards that I should look at too?

Thank you in advance!

P.S. If anyone requires build specs let me know.

[Electronics Wizardy]

What is the rest of the build? Id just use the igpu on the system?

 

I have a 710 and it kinda struggles with some videos. 

[flibberdipper]

My time to simp for the HD7570 has come. You can usually find the 7570 for $30 or less on eBay and they're surprisingly competent cards. Certainly a hell of a lot faster than a GT710, but not as fast as a GT1030 (though it's also a hell of a lot more sensible to buy compared to a 1030). Should be capable of 1440p at 60Hz if memory serves.

[jwk]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

What is the rest of the build? Id just use the igpu on the system?

 

I have a 710 and it kinda struggles with some videos. 

Thanks for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RWxJqp

 

No iGPU sadly.

Thanks for the information about the 710. What resolution do you run with it?

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, jwk said:

Thanks for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RWxJqp

 

No iGPU sadly.

Thanks for the information about the 710. What resolution do you run with it?

Is this a new build? id just go 10400 or 10700 here.

 

I think I was running it at 1080, haven't used it for a bit, but I can fire it up again.

[jwk]

1 hour ago, flibberdipper said:

My time to simp for the HD7570 has come. You can usually find the 7570 for $30 or less on eBay and they're surprisingly competent cards. Certainly a hell of a lot faster than a GT710, but not as fast as a GT1030 (though it's also a hell of a lot more sensible to buy compared to a 1030). Should be capable of 1440p at 60Hz if memory serves.

Thanks for the reply @flibberdipper!

Thank you for the referral! Why is a 7570 more sensible to buy compared to a 1030? Price? Performance? Other reasons?

Do you think the extra GB of memory on a 1030 would benefit me in a meaningful way compared to a 7570? (Maybe there are 2GB 7570's, but I can only find 1GB versions).

1440p at 60Hz would be wonderful for a placeholder GPU.

[jwk]

12 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Is this a new build? id just go 10400 or 10700 here.

 

I think I was running it at 1080, haven't used it for a bit, but I can fire it up again.

Thank you again for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

It is a new build.

10400 or 10700 as in an Intel i5 10400 or Intel i7 10700?

I guess that is an avenue that I have not explored. Interesting thought. Would buying a CPU with integrated graphics be easier, cheaper, and/or more powerful than purchasing a lower end GPU like the ones I am looking at? (Keep in mind I have already purchased most of the components, including the MB and CPU).

[flibberdipper]

3 minutes ago, jwk said:

Thanks for the reply @flibberdipper!

Thank you for the referral! Why is a 7570 more sensible to buy compared to a 1030? Price? Performance? Other reasons?

Do you think the extra Gb of memory on a 1030 would benefit me in a meaningful way compared to a 7570? (Maybe there are 2GB 7570's, but I can only find 1GB versions).

1440p at 60Hz would be wonderful for a placeholder GPU.

The way I look at it, it's just going to be a temporary card so it's more sensible to drop about 30 bucks on it compared to about 110 minimum for a 1030. Not to mention that for 4 times the cost, you're not getting 4 times the performance.

 

I don't really think the extra gig would help all that much since your usage isn't really that hard on a card. I can't really vouch for performance in Stardew Valley since I've never played it, but I can't imagine it'd run that badly.

 

And finally as for 1440p, on paper it should do just fine. It's got DisplayPort 1.2 which caps at 4K 60Hz, if I'm not mistaken.

 

2 minutes ago, jwk said:

It is a new build.

10400 or 10700 as in an Intel i5 10400 or Intel i7 10700?

I guess that is an avenue that I have not explored. Interesting thought. Would buying a CPU with integrated graphics be easier, cheaper, and/or more powerful than purchasing a lower end GPU like the ones I am looking at? (Keep in mind I have already purchased most of the components, including the MB and CPU).

The 7570 would still smack around the UHD630 in something like the 10700 pretty darn well, surprisingly enough. The only real advantage I can immediately think of with the iGPU (ignoring technically having more VRAM at its disposal) is that it'd be able to do hardware acceleration for both video decode and encode, but really with a CPU that powerful it wouldn't matter much to begin with, especially when you get a proper GPU later on down the line.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 hour ago, jwk said:

Thank you again for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

It is a new build.

10400 or 10700 as in an Intel i5 10400 or Intel i7 10700?

I guess that is an avenue that I have not explored. Interesting thought. Would buying a CPU with integrated graphics be easier, cheaper, and/or more powerful than purchasing a lower end GPU like the ones I am looking at? (Keep in mind I have already purchased most of the components, including the MB and CPU).

Yup, thats what Id get now.  About the same perofrmance, cheaper and igpu is included.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 hour ago, flibberdipper said:

The way I look at it, it's just going to be a temporary card so it's more sensible to drop about 30 bucks on it compared to about 110 minimum for a 1030. Not to mention that for 4 times the cost, you're not getting 4 times the performance.

 

I don't really think the extra gig would help all that much since your usage isn't really that hard on a card. I can't really vouch for performance in Stardew Valley since I've never played it, but I can't imagine it'd run that badly.

 

And finally as for 1440p, on paper it should do just fine. It's got DisplayPort 1.2 which caps at 4K 60Hz, if I'm not mistaken.

 

The 7570 would still smack around the UHD630 in something like the 10700 pretty darn well, surprisingly enough. The only real advantage I can immediately think of with the iGPU (ignoring technically having more VRAM at its disposal) is that it'd be able to do hardware acceleration for both video decode and encode, but really with a CPU that powerful it wouldn't matter much to begin with, especially when you get a proper GPU later on down the line.

You sure the 7570 would be faster? Some benchmarks show the uhd 630 as 2-3x faster, and it has newer video decoding, so video play back should be neeter too.

[flibberdipper]

33 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

You sure the 7570 would be faster? Some benchmarks show the uhd 630 as 2-3x faster, and it has newer video decoding, so video play back should be neeter too.

Actual benchmarks that can compare the 7570 and 630 are few and far between, but from the ones I've been able to patch together/using my 1337 guessing skills at, it should somehow be faster. My big brain didn't change out the smack down bit from when all I could find was 610 stuff, but with the 630 it's a bit less brutal.

[jwk]

2 hours ago, flibberdipper said:

The way I look at it, it's just going to be a temporary card so it's more sensible to drop about 30 bucks on it compared to about 110 minimum for a 1030. Not to mention that for 4 times the cost, you're not getting 4 times the performance.

 

I don't really think the extra gig would help all that much since your usage isn't really that hard on a card. I can't really vouch for performance in Stardew Valley since I've never played it, but I can't imagine it'd run that badly.

 

And finally as for 1440p, on paper it should do just fine. It's got DisplayPort 1.2 which caps at 4K 60Hz, if I'm not mistaken.

@flibberdipper

 

Great points. I would defiantly agree. Thank you for the wisdom.

 

The extra GB of memory might not matter. (Steam says that the Stardew Valley system requirement for graphics is 256MB of video memory.

Oh, its got DisplayPort!? Wonderful!

 

2 hours ago, flibberdipper said:

The 7570 would still smack around the UHD630 in something like the 10700 pretty darn well, surprisingly enough. The only real advantage I can immediately think of with the iGPU (ignoring technically having more VRAM at its disposal) is that it'd be able to do hardware acceleration for both video decode and encode, but really with a CPU that powerful it wouldn't matter much to begin with, especially when you get a proper GPU later on down the line.

 

Yeah, I think it would be cheaper to just buy a GPU considering my 3600 CPU is powerful enough for the simple tasks I was speaking of in the original post. Thank you!

[jwk]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Yup, thats what Id get now.  About the same perofrmance, cheaper and igpu is included.

Thank you again for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

 

I am not really sure I want to exchange my Ryzen CPU and MB for Intel. Unless I am missing your point?

 

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

You sure the 7570 would be faster? Some benchmarks show the uhd 630 as 2-3x faster, and it has newer video decoding, so video play back should be neeter too.

 

I do not know the specifics of all these different pieces of hardware. I am afraid you and @flibberdipperhave lost me.

 

[jwk]

47 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Actual benchmarks that can compare the 7570 and 630 are few and far between, but from the ones I've been able to patch together/using my 1337 guessing skills at, it should somehow be faster. My big brain didn't change out the smack down bit from when all I could find was 610 stuff, but with the 630 it's a bit less brutal.

1337 guessing skillz are the best benchmarking skillz! Hahaha!

[Electronics Wizardy]

14 minutes ago, jwk said:

Thank you again for the reply @Electronics Wizardy!

 

I am not really sure I want to exchange my Ryzen CPU and MB for Intel. Unless I am missing your point?

 

 

I do not know the specifics of all these different pieces of hardware. I am afraid you and @flibberdipperhave lost me.

 

Id personally return the parts if you can now, the 10th gen intel parts are normallya. better value, and you get a igpu too

[flibberdipper]

36 minutes ago, jwk said:

1337 guessing skillz are the best benchmarking skillz! Hahaha!

Hey, they have yet to really let me down!

 

21 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id personally return the parts if you can now, the 10th gen intel parts are normallya. better value, and you get a igpu too

In what world is either the 10400 or 10700 a better value? The 10400 is a cheaper chip sure, but its performance reflects that. The 10700 is a faster chip overall, sure, but while also coming it at almost 100 dollarydoos more. And that's not to mention that usually, tit for tat, Intel boards will run you a bit more too.

 

And I wouldn't even try bringing up having to buy a 30 dollar GPU as an added expense for going AMD (which will just get replaced eventually), having a spare card kicking around is always a good idea. Can't really try and spin that as a negative.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, flibberdipper said:

Hey, they have yet to really let me down!

 

In what world is either the 10400 or 10700 a better value? The 10400 is a cheaper chip sure, but its performance reflects that. The 10700 is a faster chip overall, sure, but while also coming it at almost 100 dollarydoos more. And that's not to mention that usually, tit for tat, Intel boards will run you a bit more too.

THe 10400 is pretty much the same performance. Take a look here. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/21.html

 

Basically within 5%, a bit slower in app performance, a bit faster in games. Since its cheaper, its a better value.

 

Could probalby fit a 10700 in that build if you get a cheaper board like a b460 and cheaper ram(can't run a 3600 anyways)

[flibberdipper]

15 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

THe 10400 is pretty much the same performance. Take a look here. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/21.html

 

Basically within 5%, a bit slower in app performance, a bit faster in games. Since its cheaper, its a better value.

 

Could probalby fit a 10700 in that build if you get a cheaper board like a b460 and cheaper ram(can't run a 3600 anyways)

And now I'll just flip the upgrade path thing around. With a 3600, at least there's an upgrade path of chips that don't consume a nuclear power plant worth of power and while running hot enough to nuke a medium-sized city. And of course, ol' 5000 series Raisin is still faster than what Intel is dumping out.

 

Not to mention AMD's higher end offerings tend to provide better value than Intel, when prices aren't getting double dick downed.

[jwk]

34 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

And now I'll just flip the upgrade path thing around. With a 3600, at least there's an upgrade path of chips that don't consume a nuclear power plant worth of power and while running hot enough to nuke a medium-sized city. And of course, ol' 5000 series Raisin is still faster than what Intel is dumping out.

 

Not to mention AMD's higher end offerings tend to provide better value than Intel, when prices aren't getting double dick downed.

@flibberdipper

I feel the same. One of the main reasons I went with AMD, and my particular MB, was to have that upgrade path available in the future.

 

48 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

THe 10400 is pretty much the same performance. Take a look here. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/21.html

 

Basically within 5%, a bit slower in app performance, a bit faster in games. Since its cheaper, its a better value.

 

Could probalby fit a 10700 in that build if you get a cheaper board like a b460 and cheaper ram(can't run a 3600 anyways)

@Electronics Wizardy

You are certainly correct, the value is similar if not better. Thank you so much for the education and information! As @flibberdipper mentioned, I value the upgrade path and I do not think that I will be switching to Intel. (Additionally, I think most of my components are past the return period anyway).
 

[Dr0y]

2 minutes ago, jwk said:

I feel the same. One of the main reasons I went with AMD, and my particular MB, was to have that upgrade path available in the future.

zen3 is supposed to be the last am4 cpu and next release is suppose to be am5 so from 3600 the upgrade path is not much longer than with an intel platform ... and those last am4 cpu are already released ... unless they surprise us with a zen3+ chip out of nowhere