windows 98 pc...

[thrasher_565]

so i been researching a bit about making a fast windows 98 pc and was wondering what your thoughts were on the idea. if there a form on here about 98 link it.

 

maybe im trying too hard and i should just buy w/e and bee happy with it? i have a 6800 ultra but watching computer phill and a few other youtube videos i just dont no. i no the hi end best in slot stuff is really expensive.

 

do i find a pcie mb and try to find devices that has 98 drivers or do i look for an mb that has 98 support i do have a list but i dont no what to do. im not the best at installing drivers and i no 98 is ALL about he driver.

 

there some old games that only work with 98 i would like to play and there hard to find or get working on non 98 os. plus i like building pcs but hate installing drivers,,,

 

do i

 

a: use my agp 6800 ultra and find an agp mb with 98 support or

b: atemp a pcie build and find ether net, sound card pci that has 98 support and look for an mid tear pcie gpu that has 98 support. and use like a core 2 duo or even better? tho i head windows 98 only works with single core.

Edited February 1, 2021 by thrasher_565

[WhitetailAni]

2 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

i should just buy w/e

What is this?
Back on topic - check out this series:

The conclusion states that there isn't really an ultimate PC, as the final build had lots of bugs with no restarting, BSoDs, etc.

[thrasher_565]

Just now, ragnarok0273 said:

What is this?
Back on topic - check out this series:

 

ya i seen that one.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, thrasher_565 said:

ya i seen that one.

You could get the best Pentium 4 with AGP support and overclock the heck out of it.

[thrasher_565]

9 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

You could get the best Pentium 4 with AGP support and overclock the heck out of it.

INTEL PENTIUM 4 670 3.8GHZ 2M 800GHZ SL7Z3 SOCKET 775 CPU about $65

 

the 672 is unobtanium...

 

the fx-62  is also unobtanium...

Edited February 1, 2021 by thrasher_565

[thrasher_565]

well here my list so far

 

gigabyte GA-8I915G-MF 98,me lan drivers 915G LGA775 DDR400 PCI-Express x16 Core™ 2 Extreme Core™ 2 Quad Pentium Dual-Core E5800
gigabyte GA-8I915PL-G 98 lan audio lan,98se raid LGA 775 915PL ICH6 Dual Channel DDR 400/333 Core™ 2 Extreme QX9770     3?.20GHz 1?2MB
gigabyte GA-8I915ME-GL (rev. 1.x) 98 audio,lan LGA 775 915GL ICH6 Dual Channel DDR 400/333 Core™ 2 Extreme QX9770     3?.20GHz 1?2MB
gigabyte GA-8I915P Duo (rev. 1.x) 98se raid LGA775 915P ICH6 Dual Channel DDR2 and DDR
gigabyte GA-8I915G-MFD (rev. 2.0) 98,lan LGA 775 915G ICH6 Dual Channel DDR2 533/400
gigabyte GA-8I865PE775-G-RH (rev. 2.0) 98se,chipset 98,audio,lan LGA 775 865G/865PE ICH5 dual channel DDR 400 1 AGP 8X slot 5 PCI slots
gigabyte GA-8I915P-D Pro (rev. 1.x) 98 lan LGA 775 915P ICH6 Dual Channel DDR2 533/400

ecs 915PL-A2 9X VGA, 98 sound
ecs 945P-A 98se,usb,98,audio
ecs 865G-M8 98se,usb

msi 915P Combo2 V2.0 98se,chipset,lan
msi 915G Combo 98se, chipset,lan,sata
msi 865G NEO2 98se,audio,lan,vga,sata,chipset
msi 865GM2-LS 98se,audio,lan,vga,sata,chipset
msi 865PE Neo2-P 98se,chipset,lan Socket 478
msi P965 Neo, 98se,audio,98,lan 775 P965+ICH8  Dual DDR2 533/667/800

BIOSTAR 865G 98,vga,audio LGA 775 865G / ICH5 Dual Channel DDR 200/266/333/400 MHz 1 x AGP 8X 3 x PCI Slot

asus P5B 98se, lan LGA775  P965 / ICH8 Dual-channel DDR2 800/667/533
asus P5PE-VM 98se,vga,audio,lan,chipset,usb2.0 LGA775 865G + Intel ICH5 Dual-channel DDR400 1 x AGP 8X 3 x PCI

abit LG-95Z lan drivers LGA 775 945GZ  Dual DDR2-533

abit SG-80 win9x,me,  audio,lan,chipset,win9x usb LGA775 1 x AGP 8x 3 x PCI DDR PC3200, PC2700, PC2100
abit SG-80DC win9x,me, audio,chiset,lan,win9x usb LGA 775 SIS 661FX/ 964 DDR 400 AGP 8 3 x PCI
SG-81 win9x,me,audio,lan,chipset,win9x usb LGA775 SIS 661FX/ 964L  DDR400 1 x AGP 8X/4X slot. 3 x PCI slots
AS8-V Win9x/Me, usb2.0,lan Audio LGA 775 865PE MCH / Intel ICH5  Dual channel DDR 400/333 AGP 8X/4X  4 x PCI slots
AS8-3rd Eye Win9x/Me, usb2.0,lan Audio LGA 775 865PE MCH / Intel ICH5  Dual channel DDR 400/333 AGP 8X/4X  4 x PCI slots
AS8 Win9x/Me,usb2.0,lan Audio LGA775 865PE / Intel ICH5R DDR  400 MHz, 333 MHz AGP 8X/4X  4 x PCI slot

BD7-E Win9x / Me,usb2.0,lan Audio Socket 478 Intel 845D/ICH2 chipset  DDR 333 1 x AGP slot 5 x PCI slot

 

asrock 775i65G R3.0 98,me,audio,lan,usb2.0,vga xp,audio,lan
asrock 775Dual-880Pro 98,via,audio,lan,riad,usb2.0
asrock 775V88 98,via,audio,lan,riad,usb2.0
asrock 775V88+ 98,via,audio,lan,riad,usb2.0
asrock 775i48 98,audio,lan,usb2.0
asrock 775i915PL-SATA2 98 audio,lan,sata2
asrock 939S56-M 98,audio,lan,sata,usb.20
asrockk P4i65G 98,audio,lan,usb.20,vga

ASRock K8 Combo-Z 98,me,audio,lan,sata,usb

 

 

 

[Bitter]

Windows 98 can't use more than a single CPU core. Windows NT (some versions) can and so can Windows XP. Most games that worked on 98 can be made to work on XP and honestly a lot of games that worked on 98 can also be made to work on Windows 7 or 10. Sometimes it takes some patching, sometimes you need to run them in VM, and sometimes DOSBOX is your best friend for much older games.

[thrasher_565]

2 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Windows 98 can't use more than a single CPU core. Windows NT (some versions) can and so can Windows XP. Most games that worked on 98 can be made to work on XP and honestly a lot of games that worked on 98 can also be made to work on Windows 7 or 10. Sometimes it takes some patching, sometimes you need to run them in VM, and sometimes DOSBOX is your best friend for much older games.

ya well its going to be 98se

thats an another option and ya free but the problem is can i get everything to work thow. vm all ready hate me and are a pain to just get documents support to file transfer....let alone driver... i only got an xp one to work and only used it for diablo 2 but i play singe player mostly now so i can duo window that anyway. dont no why windows 7 64bit will onlt install on one pc vm and not the other.. using the same installer....man pc are a pain some time.

[flibberdipper]

I'd personally be going with option a. A ~3.2GHz P4 would be plenty enough when paired with your 6800 Ultra. Just be sure you're getting a board with good compatibility, and I also probably wouldn't be pushing above 256-384MB of RAM, even though you can technically go with more.

[WhitetailAni]

1 minute ago, flibberdipper said:

I'd personally be going with option a. A ~3.2GHz P4 would be plenty enough when paired with your 6800 Ultra. Just be sure you're getting a board with good compatibility, and I also probably wouldn't be pushing above 256-384MB of RAM, even though you can technically go with more.

I got 512MB to work for me.

I didn't run any games, though - didn't have any and I don't think playing on a 3D Rage II +DVD would be very fun.

[thrasher_565]

3 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

I'd personally be going with option a. A ~3.2GHz P4 would be plenty enough when paired with your 6800 Ultra. Just be sure you're getting a board with good compatibility, and I also probably wouldn't be pushing above 256-384MB of RAM, even though you can technically go with more.

ya with that patch that guy made can do like 2-4gb but i also read that anything about like 512 can give problems... also read with that patch people didn't have problems ether..

[thrasher_565]

i do have an mb that i cant seem to get the sound drivers to install on windows 7 and has windows xp support.

 

asus a8n32-sli

[flibberdipper]

1 hour ago, ragnarok0273 said:

I got 512MB to work for me.

I didn't run any games, though - didn't have any and I don't think playing on a 3D Rage II +DVD would be very fun.

 

1 hour ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya with that patch that guy made can do like 2-4gb but i also read that anything about like 512 can give problems... also read with that patch people didn't have problems ether..

Once you're past all of the installation phase, 512 is usually fine. But there also just really isn't a reason to have that much RAM with 98, period. Minimal to no gain for increased probability of headaches... I'll pass.

[thrasher_565]

4 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

 

Once you're past all of the installation phase, 512 is usually fine. But there also just really isn't a reason to have that much RAM with 98, period. Minimal to no gain for increased probability of headaches... I'll pass.

so what will incress the fps? 1 core cpu at 3.8 512ram and ssd? i mean i dont need 300fps 60 fps is fine for me at like 1080p if the game can handle that.

[flibberdipper]

3 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

so what will incress the fps? 1 core cpu at 3.8 512ram and ssd? i mean i dont need 300fps 60 fps is fine for me at like 1080p if the game can handle that.

As is the case with any game, it depends on the game really. Though if you whack any later-run P4 at it with a higher clock speed, you'll probably be at the mercy of your 6800 Ultra.

[thrasher_565]

2 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

As is the case with any game, it depends on the game really. Though if you whack any later-run P4 at it with a higher clock speed, you'll probably be at the mercy of your 6800 Ultra.

ya i do have a water block for the 6800 too... would need to find or make a water block for a 775 thow

[thrasher_565]

so what would be important to look for in downloads from the manufacturers websites? chipset? usb, audio lan sata? if i can find good compatibility sound card and Ethernet then i wont need thows from the website. but there are pci sata but i dont no how they work or were to find them.

[Mark Kaine]

Pentium 4? That's overkill, I have a Pentium 1 with win 98 which is *very* fast (plays games at 60fps without a GPU even lol) you might as well put a threadripper in there!

 

 

4 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

usb

Thats actually the only issue I have with this PC, it has *USB* ports but no USB drivers... not sure how that's possible... 

[flibberdipper]

7 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

so what would be important to look for in downloads from the manufacturers websites? chipset? usb, audio lan sata? if i can find good compatibility sound card and Ethernet then i wont need thows from the website. but there are pci sata but i dont no how they work or were to find them.

Pretty much everything you can find, honestly. 98 will have no idea what the hell to do with a board as new as you're planning. From what I've been finding though, maybe it'll be better to hunt down a somewhat later Socket 478 board. Seems like most of the 775 boards are either picked clean or stupidly expensive, and the Asus P4V800D-X seems to be reasonable enough. Has drivers for LAN, audio, and USB.

 

Still pretty expensive, mind you, but such is the life of older hardware.

[thrasher_565]

11 hours ago, flibberdipper said:

Pretty much everything you can find, honestly. 98 will have no idea what the hell to do with a board as new as you're planning. From what I've been finding though, maybe it'll be better to hunt down a somewhat later Socket 478 board. Seems like most of the 775 boards are either picked clean or stupidly expensive, and the Asus P4V800D-X seems to be reasonable enough. Has drivers for LAN, audio, and USB.

 

Still pretty expensive, mind you, but such is the life of older hardware.

well i found mb that are 775 and have "all the driver" on the web site thow say it and there being there are too different things....

 

i was just looking for the best mb with all of them but if i cant get all the drivers it sounds like if i get an mb that has extra pci slots i can buy a 98 sound card,Ethernet. thow i read that new stuff will mosty like ony have ethernet driver. that being said i would think chipset driver are also importend so ill have to look for mb with chipset, sata, and maybe usb.

 

seem like i can find a ddr2 mb 775.

[thrasher_565]

14 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Pentium 4? That's overkill, I have a Pentium 1 with win 98 which is *very* fast (plays games at 60fps without a GPU even lol) you might as well put a threadripper in there!

 

 

Thats actually the only issue I have with this PC, it has *USB* ports but no USB drivers... not sure how that's possible... 

ya 98 didn't have usb it has ps2 and w/e the big massive plug was before ps2. so you have to manually install every driver... soujnd like there are sofware you can get to get usb drivers to insall on 98 but what that is i dont no or how to install it.

[Bitter]

98SE supported USB.