i9 9900k power limit throttling?

[Dankcube]

been playing for 3 or so days on cyberpunk fine. woke up this morning and my cpu is power limit throttling (i9 9900k) I used to be able to change pl1 and pl2 and it would go away but now its not going away. Someone pls help

[Dankcube]

might have fixed it by lower the core voltage offset?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

Why not increase the Turbo Boost Power max? You were power limit throttling at 120W.

 

Really, you should uninstall XTU and do this in your BIOS.

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Why not increase the Turbo Boost Power max? You were power limit throttling at 120W.

 

Really, you should uninstall XTU and do this in your BIOS.

For some reason I don't trust myself using the BIOS. Also I don't really know what I would be doing in the bios, intel xtu is much more noob friendly and I can see everything happening in real time.

[Dankcube]

4 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Why not increase the Turbo Boost Power max? You were power limit throttling at 120W.

 

Really, you should uninstall XTU and do this in your BIOS.

just realised what you were talking about. The temps for my i9 9900k are already quite high on stock I dunno if increasing the Turbo Boost Power Max will damage my cpu or mb. Any downside to using intel xtu and also undervolting to stop power limit throttling? What do you think?

[Abdullah Bhutta]

9 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

just realised what you were talking about. The temps for my i9 9900k are already quite high on stock I dunno if increasing the Turbo Boost Power Max will damage my cpu or mb. Any downside to using intel xtu and also undervolting to stop power limit throttling? What do you think?

under volting results in lower temps but decreased core clock.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

31 minutes ago, Abdullah Bhutta said:

under volting results in lower temps but decreased core clock.

Undervolting does not reduce the core clock. It can cause instability.

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Undervolting does not reduce the core clock. It can cause instability.

I am watching a video on how to overclock the i9 9900k right now, Finally time to learn I guess lol. I am not happy with my performance of cyberpunk 2077 in crowded areas so I am gonna try to overclock my cpu to around 5ghz

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

43 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

just realised what you were talking about. The temps for my i9 9900k are already quite high on stock I dunno if increasing the Turbo Boost Power Max will damage my cpu or mb. Any downside to using intel xtu and also undervolting to stop power limit throttling? What do you think?

Concerning XTU, it's just not as predictable as doing the same thing in the BIOS. I've had strange behavior in the past.

 

You don't have to do anything you aren't comfortable with.

[Dankcube]

6 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Concerning XTU, it's just not as predictable as doing the same thing in the BIOS. I've had strange behavior in the past.

 

You don't have to do anything you aren't comfortable with.

seems to be peridodically EDP limit throttling... what does that mean?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

3 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

seems to be peridodically EDP limit throttling... what does that mean?

Current limit maybe? Don't really know. I've always just turned all the power limits off in my BIOS... I have good cooling, though.

 

What motherboard to you have?

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Current limit maybe? Don't really know. I've always just turned all the power limits off in my BIOS... I have good cooling, though.

 

What motherboard to you have?

z370-h prime gaming also my cooling is a h100i rgb 240mm

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

5 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

z370-h prime gaming

Looks like a pretty basic VRM. The board will probably struggle to power the 9900K. Under-volting is a good move, and I wouldn't try to OC.

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Looks like a pretty basic VRM. The board will probably struggle to power the 9900K. Under-volting is a good move, and I wouldn't try to OC.

I had it undervolted to -0.070v and never had any issues. What motherboard would you recommend so I have 0 issues with this i9 9900k and one that I can OC with.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

Just now, Dankcube said:

What motherboard would you recommend so I have 0 issues with this i9 9900k and one that I can OC with.

I wouldn't bother upgrading your motherboard. It wouldn't be worth it for the performance improvement you would get. But the Z390 board I would recommend is the Gigabyte Aorus Elite. Great VRM for the price point.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GPdxFT/gigabyte-z390-aorus-elite-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-aorus-elite

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

I wouldn't bother upgrading your motherboard. It wouldn't be worth it for the performance improvement you would get. But the Z390 board I would recommend is the Gigabyte Aorus Elite. Great VRM for the price point.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GPdxFT/gigabyte-z390-aorus-elite-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-aorus-elite

I was actually going to get that exact one around 1.5 years ago but for some reason I chose this one...? probably due to my impatience.

 

What kind of performance gain to you receive from that 5.2ghz OC you got going on? I am specifically referring to gaming.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

1 minute ago, Dankcube said:

What kind of performance gain to you receive from that 5.2ghz OC you got going on? I am specifically referring to gaming.

It only goes to 5.2Ghz when 4 or fewer cores are active, so not a super common occurrence. Basically my browser tabs load wicked fast lol. My all-core is 5Ghz, and if you do the math:

 

[(5.0-4.7)/4.7]*100 = 6.4% improvement.

 

That, plus all the effort I put into OCing my RAM and customizing all the timings probably get's me like 5-10% better performance over a stock 9900K running XMP 3200Mhz RAM.

 

Really not much, and not worth it from a pure cost/benefit analysis... But I enjoy the process. It's a hobby to me, so it's worth it.

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

It only goes to 5.2Ghz when 4 or fewer cores are active, so not a super common occurrence. Basically my browser tabs load wicked fast lol. My all-core is 5Ghz, and if you do the math:

 

[(5.0-4.7)/4.7]*100 = 6.4% improvement.

 

That, plus all the effort I put into OCing my RAM and customizing all the timings probably get's me like 5-10% better performance over a stock 9900K running XMP 3200Mhz RAM.

 

Really not much, and not worth it from a pure cost/benefit analysis... But I enjoy the process. It's a hobby to me, so it's worth it.

10 percent for $160 seems okay to me. That would at least bring me up to over 60fps in all instances in cyberpunk. I really notice it in highly populated areas with a shit ton of fog and ray tracing. Then again, will an h100i be capable of cooling that kind of oc?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

4 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

10 percent for 160 seems okay to me.

10% CPU performance, not frame rate. And that is with my RAM. And also an estimate.

 

I stand by my advice that $160 will not be worth it. Especially since there is no upgrade path on Z390.

 

But you are free to do whatever you like.

 

Edit:

4 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

Then again, will an h100i be capable of cooling that kind of oc?

It already seems to be nearing it's limit. IME with my 9900K the distance from 80C to 100C is very short, in terms of overclocking.

[Dankcube]

3 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

10% CPU performance, not frame rate. And that is with my RAM. And also an estimate.

 

I stand by my advice that $160 will not be worth it. Especially since there is no upgrade path on Z390.

 

But you are free to do whatever you like.

Yeah I guess you're right. I am just avoiding that 1800$ CDN 3080 QQ using a 2080ti rn overclocked to 2040mhz and struggling with rtx

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

2 minutes ago, Dankcube said:

Yeah I guess you're right. I am just avoiding that 1800$ CDN 3080 QQ

I've got my eye on this 3080 if it ever launches...

 

https://www.ekwb.com/news/asus-partners-up-with-ek-to-deliver-water-cooler-geforce-rtx-30-series-gpus/

[Dankcube]

4 hours ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

I've got my eye on this 3080 if it ever launches...

 

https://www.ekwb.com/news/asus-partners-up-with-ek-to-deliver-water-cooler-geforce-rtx-30-series-gpus/

I could only imagine how much $$ that will cost lol

[-rascal-]

The i9-9900K is advertised as a "95W" CPU.

When it Turbo Boosts to 5GHz+, it is going BEYOND official spec...when you give it a 120W /  210W limit...but only for a short period of time.

Once that Turbo Boost time is up, it is power limited back down to 95W.

That is why you see the 'Power Limit Throttling.'

 

You can run the CPU 120W+ 24/7 ... but that is called (manual) overclocking.

 

If you overclock that i9-9900K to 5.0GHz on all 8 cores, it is not a "95W" CPU anymore.

More like a 250W CPU.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

18 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

More like a 250W CPU.

Can confirm. Mine pulls 200W-250W under full AVX load.

[Dankcube]

4 hours ago, -rascal- said:

The i9-9900K is advertised as a "95W" CPU.

When it Turbo Boosts to 5GHz+, it is going BEYOND official spec...when you give it a 120W /  210W limit...but only for a short period of time.

Once that Turbo Boost time is up, it is power limited back down to 95W.

That is why you see the 'Power Limit Throttling.'

 

You can run the CPU 120W+ 24/7 ... but that is called (manual) overclocking.

 

If you overclock that i9-9900K to 5.0GHz on all 8 cores, it is not a "95W" CPU anymore.

More like a 250W CPU.

what does Current/EDP limit throttling actually mean for me though? Will it lower my performance or something?