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hello folks,

just a small question, with the new AMDs launching some of the Intels seem to be getting cheaper and so i was curious if you folks could tell me what the difference of the i7 10700k and kf skew processor is? i might be able to do an upgrade and since i havent gotten a confirmation back from NZXT that they got an am4 bracket available for my AIO i figured i might as well just consider an i7

 

thanks!

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KF doesnt have integrated graphics

 

dont change your cpu choice over a cooling bracket... just get a different cooler, or use the stock amd cooler (only the 5600 has one)

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what motherbaord do you have now? if you do not have a b460/ z490 board AMD will be cheaper option.

If you do have, 10700kf willl be nice. 10700kf does not have intergrated gpu like 10700k. that is where the f comes from.

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8 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

what motherbaord do you have now? if you do not have a b460/ z490 board AMD will be cheaper option.

If you do have, 10700kf willl be nice. 10700kf does not have intergrated gpu like 10700k. that is where the f comes from.

Does the F stand for press F to pay respects for integrated graphics

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21 minutes ago, Kanna said:

Does the F stand for press F to pay respects for integrated graphics

yes

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34 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

KF doesnt have integrated graphics

 

dont change your cpu choice over a cooling bracket... just get a different cooler, or use the stock amd cooler (only the 5600 has one)

the new AMD ryzen 5 costs 100 bucks more than an i7 10700kf, my nzxt x61 cost more than 100 bucks and is way prettier and more powerful than the stock amd cooler? how would there be any point in choosing the AMD system, even if its better  by like 10% its still significantly more expensive

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35 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

what motherbaord do you have now? if you do not have a b460/ z490 board AMD will be cheaper option.

If you do have, 10700kf willl be nice. 10700kf does not have intergrated gpu like 10700k. that is where the f comes from.

i have Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 3 with Intel core i5 4690k 4,7Ghz @1,35Vcore, i think the motherboard is too old for new Intel cpu

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1 minute ago, 45HardBall said:

the new AMD ryzen 5 costs 100 bucks more than an i7 10700kf, my nzxt x61 cost more than 100 bucks and is way prettier and more powerful than the stock amd cooler? how would there be any point in choosing the AMD system, even if its better  by like 10% its still significantly more expensive

Whant country do you live? I can help you with this. well ryzen 5 5600x is likely not 100$ more since 10700kf need to be around 200-250$ then. that is used pricing. 

 

and not to mention decent z490 board cost much more than board that can Handle AMD.

I Use my knowledge as business owner and self taught technician aswell as an AI to help people. AI might be controversial but it actually works pretty well 90% of the time.

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4 minutes ago, 45HardBall said:

the new AMD ryzen 5 costs 100 bucks more than an i7 10700kf, my nzxt x61 cost more than 100 bucks and is way prettier and more powerful than the stock amd cooler? how would there be any point in choosing the AMD system, even if its better  by like 10% its still significantly more expensive

account in the price of a z490 board and vuala

 

the i7 10700kf is what, like 325? 250-350 z490 board, =~575-675

ryzen 7 5800x for $400, b450 board for $150-200= 550-600

 

you could get a scythe fuma ii with the money you saved (or bug tf out of nzxt)

AMD blackout rig

 

cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 auros pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

Whant country do you live? I can help you with this. well ryzen 5 5600x is likely not 100$ more since 10700kf need to be around 200-250$ then. that is used pricing. 

 

and not to mention decent z490 board cost much more than board that can Handle AMD.

prices change all the time now amd ryzen 5 5600x 430€ : https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-Box/dp/B08166SLDF/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3AV1BTS4Q33IH&dchild=1&keywords=amd+ryzen+5+5600x&qid=1605251878&sprefix=amd+ryzen+5+5%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-2

 

intel core i7 10700kf 370€: https://www.amazon.de/Intel-Core-i7-10700KF-Basistakt-LGA1200/dp/B0883NG13L/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=10700kf&qid=1605251913&sr=8-1

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3 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

account in the price of a z490 board and vuala

 

the i7 10700kf is what, like 325? 250-350 z490 board, =~575-675

ryzen 7 5800x for $400, b450 board for $150-200= 550-600

 

you could get a scythe fuma ii with the money you saved (or bug tf out of nzxt)

people buy AIOs for looks not for performance, even if the scythe were better it would not be an option 

 

you need to factor in peoples personal preferences too, its like if a matching intel and amd cpu would cost the same but the AMD was 5% faster i would still tend toward intel because thats what i always had, but with the new amd cpu series i at least give it a thought that i might own an AMD some day

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1 minute ago, 45HardBall said:

prices change all the time now amd ryzen 5 5600x 430€ : https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-Box/dp/B08166SLDF/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3AV1BTS4Q33IH&dchild=1&keywords=amd+ryzen+5+5600x&qid=1605251878&sprefix=amd+ryzen+5+5%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-2

 

intel core i7 10700kf 370€: https://www.amazon.de/Intel-Core-i7-10700KF-Basistakt-LGA1200/dp/B0883NG13L/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=10700kf&qid=1605251913&sr=8-1

dont pay that much, wait for msrp pricing, check out newegg too

AMD blackout rig

 

cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 auros pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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people buy AIOs for looks not for performance

thats funny 

 

or you know, you could bug the absolute fuck out of nzxt support...

AMD blackout rig

 

cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 auros pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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Just now, Letgomyleghoe said:

thats funny 

 

or you know, you could bug the absolute fuck out of nzxt support...

already did they said they dont have one in stock but i can ask again per email, i always responses within 24hours surprisingly

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cheapest for 10700k

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €130.88 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €484.87
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:21 CET+0100  
PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor €429.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard €106.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €535.90
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:22 CET+0100  

 

note that with that z490 board you can not likely overclock much since it is crap. if you want to oc then:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €153.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €507.89
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:23 CET+0100  

 

Conclusion: Wait for the price of 5600x to drop. if you get 10700k is cost similar to 5600x while consumign more power and having little worse performance. if you wait for the 5600x to drop aroudn 80€ you safe 50€ going for AMD than intel.

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+ 5600x should be around 300€ and now that msi b550 A-pro is only little over 100€ at germany it is a steal when the price drops.

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1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

cheapest for 10700k

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €130.88 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €484.87
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:21 CET+0100  
PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor €429.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard €106.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €535.90
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:22 CET+0100  

 

note that with that z490 board you can not likely overclock much since it is crap. if you want to oc then:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €153.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €507.89
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:23 CET+0100  

 

Conclusion: Wait for the price of 5600x to drop. if you get 10700k is cost similar to 5600x while consumign more power and having little worse performance. if you wait for the 5600x to drop aroudn 80€ you safe 50€ going for AMD than intel.

so in 1 months prices might favour AMD more?

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1 minute ago, 45HardBall said:

so in 1 months prices might favour AMD more?

not in 1 month. it is not in stock that is why to price is 430€ instead of 300€. Check everyday if it is at stock.

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24 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

not in 1 month. it is not in stock that is why to price is 430€ instead of 300€. Check everyday if it is at stock.

so which amd chipets are compatible with ryzen 5 5600x without BIOS update? Which chipset adds which function?

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so which amd chipets are compatible with ryzen 5 5600x without BIOS update?

Some ATM. Yo have to look fo motheboard with ryzen 5000 ready sticker.  Most b550 and x570 board do have it, but the store can have old stock which need a bios update. Yo ucan always ask the seller to bios update it for you. Also you can check local pc stores, they usually bios update them for you.

 

 

I Use my knowledge as business owner and self taught technician aswell as an AI to help people. AI might be controversial but it actually works pretty well 90% of the time.

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48 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

cheapest for 10700k

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €130.88 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €484.87
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:21 CET+0100  
PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor €429.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard €106.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €535.90
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:22 CET+0100  

 

note that with that z490 board you can not likely overclock much since it is crap. if you want to oc then:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor €353.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €153.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €507.89
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-13 08:23 CET+0100  

 

Conclusion: Wait for the price of 5600x to drop. if you get 10700k is cost similar to 5600x while consumign more power and having little worse performance. if you wait for the 5600x to drop aroudn 80€ you safe 50€ going for AMD than intel.

The Z490-A Pro is the same price as the Asrock, and can run even a 10900K with the power limits removed just fine.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/KXpmP6/msi-z490-a-pro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z490-a-pro

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4 hours ago, SavageNeo said:

Some ATM. Yo have to look fo motheboard with ryzen 5000 ready sticker.  Most b550 and x570 board do have it, but the store can have old stock which need a bios update. Yo ucan always ask the seller to bios update it for you. Also you can check local pc stores, they usually bios update them for you.

 

 

1. is the b550 the non oc AM4 motherboard? 2. Do you actually get an improvement with gaming when you oc an ryzen 5 5600x compared to stock? Also can i ask the manufacturer of a mobo if their specific board has ryzen 5xxx series support out of the box?

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12 minutes ago, 45HardBall said:

is the b550 the non oc AM4 motherboard?

What? Only A320 and A520 are non oc.

12 minutes ago, 45HardBall said:

Do you actually get an improvement with gaming when you oc an ryzen 5 5600x compared to stock?

Litle. Or use PBO.

13 minutes ago, 45HardBall said:

Also can i ask the manufacturer of a mobo if their specific board has ryzen 5xxx series support out of the box?

Yes, but the retailers can have old stock, they sell the old stuff before the new updated boards.

I Use my knowledge as business owner and self taught technician aswell as an AI to help people. AI might be controversial but it actually works pretty well 90% of the time.

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2 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

What? Only A320 and A520 are non oc.

Litle. Or use PBO.

Yes, but the retailers can have old stock, they sell the old stuff before the new updated boards.

i wouldnt want to risk getting a non compatible mobo bios

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