PCIE 4.0 or PCIE 3.0?

[makadee]

I am wondering if its worth building my computer with a Ryzen 3900x PCIE 4.0 

 

or

 

Intel i7 10700K PCIE 3.0?

 

What would be better for the future? I am mostly gaming, but I also need a powerful CPU to run applications and logs of chrome tabs for example.

 

 

Please let me know!

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

I am mostly gaming,

At least for now, gen 3 is enough bandwidth for ampere cards and they aren't really affected by it (well we'll have to see how the 3090 performs but it should be fine.), though if you go with z490, the chipset itself is technically  gen 4 capable, but the current cpu's aren't, so if rocket lake has gen 4 lanes, then you'll get gen 4 on that platform. 

and if you're mainly gaming, the 10600k/10700k are more than enough. 

[makadee]

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

At least for now, gen 3 is enough bandwidth for ampere cards and they aren't really affected by it (well we'll have to see how the 3090 performs but it should be fine.), though if you go with z490, the chipset itself is technically  gen 4 capable, but the current cpu's aren't, so if rocket lake has gen 4 lanes, then you'll get gen 4 on that platform. 

and if you're mainly gaming, the 10600k/10700k are more than enough. 

Thanks for that, on the part where you said "then you'll get gen 4 on that platform and if you're mainly gaming" what did you mean by this, sorry im not too techy to know

 

Do you think this is a good mother board, and also does this support Gen 4? 

 

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_MM00001545

[Eigenvektor]

Here's a test done by TPU with the 3080 that should give you an idea how much (or little) PCIe 4.0 matters for GPUs:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/

[Moonzy]

15 minutes ago, makadee said:

I am mostly gaming, but I also need a powerful CPU to run applications and logs of chrome tabs for example.

i would say a 3700x would do, unless you're into high FPS gaming then a 10700k

 

PCIE gen doesnt really matter for 3080 and below GPUs, for now (not sure if RTX IO will change anything, but i doubt)

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

"then you'll get gen 4 on that platform and if you're mainly gaming"

if rocket lake (11th gen) supports pcie gen 4, and if you upgrade to it, you'll be able to get gen 4 pcie lanes on the platform (z490). 

and if you're mainly gaming, if your workload is mainly gaming, a 10600k or a 10700k are more than enough. 

 

1 hour ago, makadee said:

Do you think this is a good mother board

it uses 12 NCP302045 45a drmos mosfets, not a bad board, budget for a board and are you limited to this one? 

you can check this list over here for gen 4 capable boards. 

Spoiler

From: https://wccftech.com/z490-motherboards-pcie-gen-4-support-detailed-asus-msi-asrock-gigabyte/

[makadee]

4 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

if rocket lake (11th gen) supports pcie gen 4, and if you upgrade to it, you'll be able to get gen 4 pcie lanes on the platform (z490). 

and if you're mainly gaming, if your workload is mainly gaming, a 10600k or a 10700k are more than enough. 

 

it uses 12 NCP302045 45a drmos mosfets, not a bad board, budget for a board and are you limited to this one? 

you can check this list over here for gen 4 capable boards. 

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From: https://wccftech.com/z490-motherboards-pcie-gen-4-support-detailed-asus-msi-asrock-gigabyte/

Is this what your talking about regarding the PCIE Lanes?

 

I am not limited to that board I am open to anything, can you look on memoryexpress website and help me choose a board that would be good for gen 4 one day? I would really appreciate it!   

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

Is this what your talking about regarding the PCIE Lanes?

that's a pcie riser.. 

1 hour ago, makadee said:

can you look on memoryexpress website and help me choose a board that would be good for gen 4 one day?

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112378

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112376

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112334

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112338

are all pretty decent boards. 

 

[makadee]

7 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

that's a pcie riser.. 

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112378

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112376

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112334

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00112338

are all pretty decent boards. 

 

Would you say the bundle is more worth? 

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

you say the bundle is more worth? 

I mean the board is decent, do note that the board does not support gen 4 as it doesn't have pcie gen 4 generator, but for the most part, it shouldn't matter and if you'll save some money then i guess, but if you're set on gen 4, the boards i linked are decent. 

[makadee]

19 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I mean the board is decent, do note that the board does not support gen 4 as it doesn't have pcie gen 4 generator, but for the most part, it shouldn't matter and if you'll save some money then i guess, but if you're set on gen 4, the boards i linked are decent. 

Can you please tell me how you distinguish which Z490 boards support the gen 4 and which ones done?

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

support the gen 4 and which ones done?

i linked a list. 

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This one. 

[makadee]

21 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

i linked a list. 

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This one. 

Thanks for the info!

What do you think of all of these together? 

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

Thanks for the info!

What do you think of all of these together? 

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Budget for the build? 

[makadee]

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

Budget for the build? 

that price right there is my budget, I already have a 3080 and also my power supply bought 

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

that price right there is my budget

so it's 1700 CAD without the gpu and psu? also what psu is that? 

[makadee]

1 hour ago, TofuHaroto said:

so it's 1700 CAD without the gpu and psu? also what psu is that? 

this is the PSU https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B079H5WNXN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

and yes 1750 CAD before tax

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

1750 CAD before tax

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor	$518.75 @ Vuugo
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$109.95 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$272.80 @ Vuugo
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$104.99 @ Memory Express
Storage	Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$144.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$69.99 @ Memory Express
Case	Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case	$109.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1331.46
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-21 04:08 EDT-0400

Or you could go with the 10600k, the drive is a  better, as for the case, you could go with the p400a or the p300a/500a or the meshify c, but if you're set on the o11 then sure go for it i guess, as for the cooler, You could go with the d15 or the nhu12s or the dark rock pro 4 (to name some), if you want an AIO, the arctic freezer II is a pretty good AIO. and as for the board, you could go with the aorus elite, or the vision G or the tomahawk if you want. 

[makadee]

25 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor	$518.75 @ Vuugo
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$109.95 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$272.80 @ Vuugo
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$104.99 @ Memory Express
Storage	Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$144.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$69.99 @ Memory Express
Case	Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case	$109.99 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1331.46
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-21 04:08 EDT-0400

Or you could go with the 10600k, the drive is a  better, as for the case, you could go with the p400a or the p300a/500a or the meshify c, but if you're set on the o11 then sure go for it i guess, as for the cooler, You could go with the d15 or the nhu12s or the dark rock pro 4 (to name some), if you want an AIO, the arctic freezer II is a pretty good AIO. and as for the board, you could go with the aorus elite, or the vision G or the tomahawk if you want. 

One more question about the CPU! Do you think for long term computer use overall, is it better to get a 10700k or 3900x? Is it better to go with AMD since it has more cores?

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

Is it better to go with AMD since it has more cores?

currently intel is better for gaming, and future proofing isn't a thing, we don't or can know what will happen in the future but at least right now, the 10700k is faster for gaming.

[makadee]

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

currently intel is better for gaming, and future proofing isn't a thing, we don't or can know what will happen in the future but at least right now, the 10700k is faster for gaming.

but would you say it matters to go with the CPU that has more cores? Do you also know if AMD or Intel holds more value for resale?

[Haro]

1 hour ago, makadee said:

you say it matters to go with the CPU that has more cores? Do you also know if AMD or Intel holds more value for resale?

At least right now, intel cpu's hold more value for resale from what i have seen. 

also 12 cores is not needed for games as they currently don't scale up to 12 cores.