My GPU died, what now?

[akranjc71]

Onboard GPU (AMD Radeon HD 6370) in my laptop died and I have very tight budget. It must run Fortnite smooth (at least 60fps on low setings). Sould I just build a new PC with Ryzen 5 3400g without a dedicated GPU? Should I just buy another laptop mobo with an onboard GPU? Should I buy an adapter from ExpressCard or PCIe x1 to x16 and buy a RX 580 8G (I found a deal for 120 USD)? 

Also, which is better, PCIe x1 to x16 or ExpressCard to PCIe x16? 

[Sat1600]

Total budget?

 

Where do you live?

[akranjc71]

1 minute ago, Sat1600 said:

Total budget?

 

Where do you live?

Around 400€. 

I live in Slovenia

[Sat1600]

I'm not really familiar with prices and availability in your country. Hopefully someone on the forum can help

[e22big]

12 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Onboard GPU (AMD Radeon HD 6370) in my laptop died and I have very tight budget. It must run Fortnite smooth (at least 60fps on low setings). Sould I just build a new PC with Ryzen 5 3400g without a dedicated GPU? Should I just buy another laptop mobo with an onboard GPU? Should I buy an adapter from ExpressCard or PCIe x1 to x16 and buy a RX 580 8G (I found a deal for 120 USD)? 

Also, which is better, PCIe x1 to x16 or ExpressCard to PCIe x16? 

Building a PC is the cheapest way to get your hands on a computing machine, you could probably get your hand on some lower end Intel CPU or AMD wtih onboard graphic to play Fortnite on low at 60 fps. That said, 400 Eur is a rather tight budget even for that unless you already have a monitor.

 

Don't think PCIe adapter would work with anything that isn't a Thunderbolt port, and eGPU can also be very expensive.

[akranjc71]

2 minutes ago, e22big said:

Building a PC is the cheapest way to get your hands on a computing machine, you could probably get your hand on some lower end Intel CPU or AMD wtih onboard graphic to play Fortnite on low at 60 fps. That said, 400 Eur is a rather tight budget even for that unless you already have a monitor.

 

Don't think PCIe adapter would work with anything that isn't a Thunderbolt port, and eGPU can also be very expensive.

The laptop is 10 years old (it still has i7-840qm quad core CPU, pretty decent) so it doesn't have thunderbolt, it just has one pcie x1 and an expresscard port. I was thinking about express ard to usb 3.0 and then usb 3.0 to pcie x16, so I get bonus 2 usb ports from one expresscard. Linus reviewed it and it works. 

[Bombastinator]

580 would need the 4x pcie3.0 of thunderbolt3 to run at full speed. 1x pcie would be 1/4th of that.

[akranjc71]

13 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

I'm not really familiar with prices and availability in your country. Hopefully someone on the forum can help

I will probably buy things from amazon.de, availability is not a problem tho, I will definitely buy everything online

[svmlegacy]

25 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Should I just buy another laptop mobo with an onboard GPU?

Provided it does work, you'll have no way of knowing if it's going to die in a similar fashion. That's fine for most cases, but going to be the best value.

26 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Should I buy an adapter from ExpressCard or PCIe x1 to x16 and buy a RX 580 8G (I found a deal for 120 USD)? 

Also, which is better, PCIe x1 to x16 or ExpressCard to PCIe x16? 

Your laptop still might try to boot to the dead GPU.

 

These things are sketchy to me. Keep in mind you'll need a spare PSU.

Go with express card, if your laptop supports it. Some laptops whitelist the mPCIe port.

[akranjc71]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

580 would need the 4x pcie3.0 of thunderbolt3 to run at full speed. 1x pcie would be 1/4th of that.

What about expresscard? 

[e22big]

2 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

The laptop is 10 years old (it still has i7-840qm quad core CPU, pretty decent) so it doesn't have thunderbolt, it just has one pcie x1 and an expresscard port. I was thinking about express ard to usb 3.0 and then usb 3.0 to pcie x16, so I get bonus 2 usb ports from one expresscard. Linus reviewed it and it works. 

like the other guy said, it can run,  just at severe bottleneck level of performance - if it 10 years old though, buying a new PC or laptop might be a much more reasonable option, you may be able to buy some low end system with budget and just use the integrated graphic

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

What about expresscard? 

i would just build a desktop.

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

What about expresscard? 

Wow.  I haven’t used expresscard in a long time.  Takes an old computer to have one of those.  My memory is expresscard is 1xpcie as well.  Might be slower.  Could even be 1x pci.  I don’t think it’s 2xpcie

[akranjc71]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

Provided it does work, you'll have no way of knowing if it's going to die in a similar fashion. That's fine for most cases, but going to be the best value.

Your laptop still might try to boot to the dead GPU.

 

These things are sketchy to me. Keep in mind you'll need a spare PSU.

Go with express card, if your laptop supports it. Some laptops whitelist the mPCIe port.

It died probably because of melting sotter, the same thing that happened to the latest Nvidia MacBooks. It is 10 years old and I overclocked it from 750mhz to 956mhz (fastest stable state) 

I have spare batteries and a couple PSUs so this won't be a problem. 

[akranjc71]

5 minutes ago, e22big said:

like the other guy said, it can run,  just at severe bottleneck level of performance - if it 10 years old though, buying a new PC or laptop might be a much more reasonable option, you may be able to buy some low end system with budget and just use the integrated graphic

Something like a Ryzen 5 3400g?

[akranjc71]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Wow.  I haven’t used expresscard in a long time.  Takes an old computer to have one of those.  My memory is expresscard is 1xpcie as well.  Might be slower.  Could even be 1x pci.  I don’t think it’s 2xpcie

So than pcie x1 is faster? 

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

So than pcie x1 is faster? 

Pcie is faster than pci by a lot of that’s what you mean.  If you’ve got pcie on the motherboard there’s a good chance the expresscard slot is pcie too.  I haven’t looked at expresscard in a long time though and my memory is vague.  Wikipedia should have an entry on expresscard.  My memory is there were different versions too which may matter.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

Something like a Ryzen 5 3400g?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor	€129.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	€69.98 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€56.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage	Western Digital Blue 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	€36.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	€30.79 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	EVGA BQ 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€69.30 @ Computeruniverse
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€393.86
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-16 18:31 CEST+0200

This is the best I could do for the low budget. I would check used for ssd and cpu.

[akranjc71]

I mean the thing is I'm 13 years old and my parrents don't want pay a single euro for my PC. I'm selling my bike for 180€, so I can't really afford something like a new PC, even if it is very low spec. I said that budget is 400€ just because I know you can't really build a respectable PC for less

[akranjc71]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Pcie is faster than pci by a lot of that’s what you mean.  If you’ve got pcie on the motherboard there’s a good chance the expresscard slot is pcie too.  I haven’t looked at expresscard in a long time though and my memory is vague.  Wikipedia should have an entry on expresscard.  My memory is there were different versions too which may matter.

I meant if is faster than expresscard

[e22big]

6 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Something like a Ryzen 5 3400g?

yeah something like that, actually I think any modern IGPU can run Fortnite 60fps on low (or if that doesn't cut it, just lower the resolution to 720p)

[akranjc71]

3 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor	€129.99 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	€69.98 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€56.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage	Western Digital Blue 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	€36.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	€30.79 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	EVGA BQ 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€69.30 @ Computeruniverse
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€393.86
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-16 18:31 CEST+0200

This is the best I could do for the low budget. I would check used for ssd and cpu.

Yeah, I was thinking of exactly the same build, except for mobo I planned MSI B450 Tomahawk Max for 75€ and a Corsair nvme m.2 240GB for 45€ and for RAM Corsair Vengeance 2x8 3600MHz for 62€. Oh and MABY without a case, just so I get a little bit more money, don't really care about aesthetics. 

Is my version better in price for performance? 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

Oh and MABY without a case, just so I get a little bit more money, don't really care about aesthetics. 

You need a case. 

 

1 minute ago, akranjc71 said:

RAM Corsair Vengeance 2x8 3600MHz for 62€.

What cl is it?\

2 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Corsair nvme m.2 240GB

Its smaller and more expensive, so no.

 

2 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max

If you can pay the extra, i would do it.

[e22big]

6 minutes ago, akranjc71 said:

Yeah, I was thinking of exactly the same build, except for mobo I planned MSI B450 Tomahawk Max for 75€ and a Corsair nvme m.2 240GB for 45€ and for RAM Corsair Vengeance 2x8 3600MHz for 62€. Oh and MABY without a case, just so I get a little bit more money, don't really care about aesthetics. 

Is my version better in price for performance? 

Looks good, if you want to save a bit of money, you can just lower the RAM to 8 GB (just make sure to still run it at dual channel) 

 

You could also use a lower watt power supply, with integrated graphic, you can run at 400 watt or even lower although better power supply will give you a much better value in long run (it last forever)

 

oh and like what the other guy said, look for SATA SSD, not the NVME. SATA is significantly cheaper with a marginal performance different, you might be able to get even 500 GB WB Blue SATA with that price

[Bombastinator]

Ouch.

 

Trying to figure a solution.  All I’ve got is bad hackery and might not be possible even then.  You’d want to do careful careful research on this one.  Perhaps even a DONT DO THIS might apply.

 

 There used to be office PCs that we’re capable of gaming if a gpu was added that sold for pennies on the dollar and they could be picked up for $50.  Those have largely been snapped up though and the price is more like $300.  There might be one or two SFF ones still around because they won’t normally fit a GPU (which makes them not gaming capable) the thing is with some of these if you Simply don’t put the case cover on and let the card stick out of the top of the machine you might make a tall card work in a short case.  There are big problems though.  For one there would be no attachment screws so the thing would be held in only by the pcie card slot.  The thing would have to sit so the card is upright and would still be incredibly fragile. You could break the slot and ruin the machine. 

this is bubble gum and baling wire stuff.  Very ugly, very janky.