Is Extra, Currently Unneeded Wattage Bad?

[Ankerson]

3 minutes ago, chippu said:

I don't really know anything about the "quality" of PSU's, and even after searching it up I still don't understand.

 

Is the PSU I plan on getting (Antec NeoECO Golden Zen 700w) a good quality one? It's rated 80+ Gold.

 

It's fine, it's a Tier B PSU. 

[quan289]

3 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Among other things.... 

I'm aware. I was strictly talking about the fan and noise levels

3 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Well my system has some serious power draw that would cripple a 650W PSU and cause it to shut off and or be very loud at the very least.....

I was saying that you are someone that would prefer to have their power supply operating below 70%. So if you had build a computer around the RM650 (as an example), you wouldn't find it loud, as the RM650 remain pretty quiet at and below 455w or 70% load. Unless you find the difference between 11dBA and 16dBA a large difference.

 

Anyways, speaking of powering a system close to what is is rated for, I personally was using a Kingwin LZP-550 (Super Flower Golden King. A tweaked 650w Golden Green, underrated to 550w to achieve Platinum efficiency) to power an OCed system with two 680 in SLI and a 3770K for 5 years. Power draw was around 450~500wDC under load. It was pretty quiet from what I had remember (A buddy of mine is noise sensitive and he never complain about it. I'd end up giving it to him).

 

3 hours ago, chippu said:

I don't really know anything about the "quality" of PSU's, and even after searching it up I still don't understand.

 

Is the PSU I plan on getting (Antec NeoECO Golden Zen 700w) a good quality one? It's rated 80+ Gold.

It isn't bad. It does have your basic sleeve bearing fan though. Since you are getting a higher wattage unit that's non-modular, you should note that you will be dealing with more excess cables which cumbersome to manage in a small case. If you want us to provide you potential alternative, it would be helpful to provide a budget for the PSU, links to stores you are buying from, and the components that it will be powering.

[Ankerson]

33 minutes ago, quan289 said:

I was saying that you are someone that would prefer to have their power supply operating below 70%. So if you had build a computer around the RM650 (as an example), you wouldn't find it loud, as the RM650 remain pretty quiet at and below 455w or 70% load. Unless you find the difference between 11dBA and 16dBA a large difference.

 

Anyways, speaking of powering a system close to what is is rated for, I personally was using a Kingwin LZP-550 (Super Flower Golden King. A tweaked 650w Golden Green, underrated to 550w to achieve Platinum efficiency) to power an OCed system with two 680 in SLI and a 3770K for 5 years. Power draw was around 450~500wDC under load. It was pretty quiet from what I had remember (A buddy of mine is noise sensitive and he never complain about it. I'd end up giving it to him).

 

 

Mine pulls 550W+ gaming so that is around 65% of my 850W PSU.... Give or take....

 

For a 650W that would be at 85% load gaming assuming no power spikes etc.... My max load is more than 650W so,,,,,, Just not enough headroom period....

 

For a 750W PSU that would be 74.5% gaming load...... From Kitguru tests the Prime Ti Ultra 750W was 32.4 DBA so that was what I was hearing gaming...... I could hear the fan running.....

 

With the HX 850W I don't hear the PSU fan at all.

[chippu]

9 hours ago, quan289 said:

If you want us to provide you potential alternative, it would be helpful to provide a budget for the PSU, links to stores you are buying from, and the components that it will be powering.

I'm mostly buying online from Newegg and Amazon. I don't really want to spend $100 or more unless its a REALLY good PSU. I don't really care about non-modular PSU's that much as I'm getting an ATX case, although I don't mind Semi-modular ones.

 

I'm powering:

GPU: Sapphire PULSE RX 580 (8GB)

CPU: Ryzen 3 3200G (Soon to by a Ryzen 5 3600) w/Stock Cooler

Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB (3200)

 

Although if the only real downside to the Antec PSU its excess cables, i'm not worried about purchasing it.

[quan289]

Ankerson, it seem like you are defending yourself, even though I'm not refuting that your system is drawing 550wDC under gaming load...So I think you misunderstanding my post to you, but that's fine - not really important.

1 hour ago, chippu said:

I'm mostly buying online from Newegg and Amazon. I don't really want to spend $100 or more unless its a REALLY good PSU. I don't really care about non-modular PSU's that much as I'm getting an ATX case, although I don't mind Semi-modular ones.

 

I'm powering:

GPU: Sapphire PULSE RX 580 (8GB)

CPU: Ryzen 3 3200G (Soon to by a Ryzen 5 3600) w/Stock Cooler

Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB (3200)

If you are getting the NeoECO Gold lineup, I recommend the 550w / 750w variant as it is a better value esp. considering the platform it uses (Seasonic Focus Gold). It offer a longer 7 year warranty, modularity, and it look like it is using a better Hong Hua rifle bearing fan at the same price point (as opposed to the sleeve bearing found in the Andyson build Zen - which can explain the shorter warranty). Edit: nvm, it still sleeve bearing.

https://www.newegg.com/antec-neoeco-550-gold-ne550g-550w/p/N82E16817371121

https://www.newegg.com/antec-neoeco-750-gold-ne750g-750w/p/N82E16817371123

Personally, I would go for the Fractal Design Ion+ 560P. It's a high-end, well performing/built unit that offer a 10 year warranty, full modularity, a more relaxed fan profile and a FDB fan: https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-ion-fd-psu-ionp-560p-bk-560w/p/N82E16817580021

 

All of them can more than power your system comfortably. Pick whichever you like

 

[chippu]

28 minutes ago, quan289 said:

All of them can more than power your system comfortably. Pick whichever you like

 

Ty. I'll pick whichever one falls under my budget. If I can spend ~100 dollars on one, I'll possibly  pick up the Fractal one, though I don't want to have a situation where I ugprade and my PSU can't power my system since it doesn't have enough wattage, as my current build (which is more inbetween mid-high tier) still takes a full 400w to power (according to PCPartPicker) so iit doesn't seem like too many upgrades to start pushing that Fractal PSU (I could be wrong though).

[Ankerson]

4 hours ago, quan289 said:

Ankerson, it seem like you are defending yourself, even though I'm not refuting that your system is drawing 550wDC under gaming load...So I think you misunderstanding my post to you, but that's fine - not really important.

 

No, not really.

 

Was just laying out the logic of my choice based on what I have etc.

 

Once the numbers and the percentages are written down it could make more since to some people maybe.

 

Other than the typical 850W is overkill and any system is just fine on a 550W PSU typical logic that we all see....

 

What is disturbing to me anyway is those who defend rabidly in some cases running a PSU at 85% to 95%+ capacity....... Then to recommend that to others on top of it...

[quan289]

23 hours ago, Ankerson said:

No, not really.

 

Was just laying out the logic of my choice based on what I have etc.

 

Once the numbers and the percentages are written down it could make more since to some people maybe.

 

Other than the typical 850W is overkill and any system is just fine on a 550W PSU typical logic that we all see....

 

What is disturbing to me anyway is those who defend rabidly in some cases running a PSU at 85% to 95%+ capacity....... Then to recommend that to others on top of it...

Hm, maybe I'm just losing track of our conversation. lol

I like using some of Antec high-end, Delta-build PSUs as an example (Antec Signature, CP, High Current Pro, etc). They were so overbuilt, perform so exceptionally well even after being overloaded beyond it is rated for, I personally would have absolutely no problem powering your system with a 650w that was built with that level of uncompromising quality, and I will know that it will not be breaking a sweat. Of course, that quality does come with a premium price tag.

 

Quality power supplies should be built to output their rated wattage continuously at the temperature it is rated for, 24/7, within the entire duration of its warranty period, while high-end, premium unit are usually build with a large engineering overhead on top of that. At least that how Corsair have their PSU built / rated. Seasonic seem to rate their PSU differently now. Instead of a 50C operating temperature, many of them are rated at an operating range of 0-50C, where there's a 20% derate from 40C to 50C even with the Prime Ultra Titanium (why? o.0). If that's accurate and not a typo, your 750w is rated for 750w @ 40C or 600w derate @ 50C... So you can rest assure to know that your Corsair HX850 Platinum is an even more capable excellent, well-built power supply (which the professional reviews support this) that is capable of delivering 850wDC load continuously @ 50C, 24/7 for 10 year. Did I made you consider to power a second 2080Ti on that PSU? No? Oh well, I tried. XD

 

Anyways, like what I had said before, I rather pick / recommend the highest quality PSU you are able to get first and then move up in wattage depending their goals which is often never included (running at stock, mild to moderate OC under air, heavy OC under a custom water loop, running GPGPU compute applications like cryptocurrency mining or F@H, etc) . Often enough, doing this will lead to people feeling a bit uncomfortable with the recommendation, despite I know how capable those PSU being recommended are. I do understand this, so I'm typically open to them buying a higher wattage of that model if they so choose.

 

What bothers me personally is that they would spend like $1500 to $2000 USD on a high-end build, but unwilling to spend $20 more for the 750w model over the 550w just because it is...outside of their budget, so they went multiple steps back in term of quality to get something that's subpar...

[Ankerson]

1 hour ago, quan289 said:

Did I made you consider to power a second 2080Ti on that PSU? No?

 

NO. LOL That would be a 925W gaming load.. With 2x 2080Ti FTW3 Ultras with a max load 1,035W. I would need to go with an HX 1200W if i was going to do that.

 

But I do get your point.

 

Although even with the HX 1200W the gaming load would be at 75% power draw and Max power would be 86% so I really would have to go with an AXI 1500 or AXI 1600 to get back into my comfort zone. I wouldn't though, I would stick with the HX 1200W in that case.....

 

But then it mute really because I don't and wouldn't run SLI....