small form factor build

[lula]

Budget (including currency): 500-650€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Rainbow Six Siege, GtA 5, assasin's Creed Valhalla

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I have a 600W Corsair SFX Power Supply, 2 2.5" SSDs (so no further Storage needed, 120GB & 500GB), Winforce GTX 980, and a Cryorig C1 but probably wont fit. 1080p 60Hz. 

Hey Guys, 

 

down below is py PCPPL, what do you think about it? Any Improvements/ Ideas? Later on I want to upgrade RAM, GPU and a nice 4k Monitor above 100Hz. Also a 1TB M.2. But for now I don't have the budget for. 

I am also thinking about this bundle. As unfortunately my C1 wont fit.

 

Thank you for all your comments and have a great day 

 

PCPP

[SavageNeo]

Nice coding!!! try to link the pc partpicker list and not the whole website

[lula]

3 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

Nice coding!!! try to link the pc partpicker list and not the whole website

ups .. edited my post 

[Mateyyy]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q6Gpcq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€165.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 chromax.black 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  (€142.13 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (€98.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: KOLINK ROCKET Mini ITX Desktop Case  (€179.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €635.83

 

Better motherboard and especially memory - dual-channel RAM is crucial for performance, especially in gaming.

[SavageNeo]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/h9bmsk

 

better cooler and case. also b550 board for future ryzen cpus. Zen 3 if you need potential ryzen 9 4900x/4950x in the future

 

 

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[lula]

wouldn't it be better to go with something like this than 2x8GB at 3600Mhz? I probably wont upgrade the CPU in the next few years so b450 should be fine. Not worth it to pay an extra 100€. And the decision for the case is already made. Its going to be the Rocket. 

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q6Gpcq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€165.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 chromax.black 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  (€142.13 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (€98.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: KOLINK ROCKET Mini ITX Desktop Case  (€179.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €635.83

 

Better motherboard and especially memory - dual-channel RAM is crucial for performance, especially in gaming.

The Noctua has a lower described cfm and is more expensive.  Doesn’t mean it cools worse though. I found comparisons to the Noctua n9i which imply the c7 cools better, but nothing for the c7 compared with the L9a.  I did find L9i vs L9a here

https://tekeverything.com/noctua-nh-l9i-vs-nh-l9a/

 

it tested better than the L9i but only by a few degrees.  Implies the c7 and L9a are comparable in cooling power.  Only implies though.  Might be quieter.  That’s not comparable at all without a head-to-head

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

The Noctua has a lower described cfm and is more expensive.  Doesn’t mean it cools worse though. I found comparisons to the Noctua n9i which imply the c7 cools better, but nothing for the c7 compared with the L9a.  I did find L9i vs L9a here

https://tekeverything.com/noctua-nh-l9i-vs-nh-l9a/

 

it tested better than the L9i but only by a few degrees.  Implies the c7 and L9a are comparable in cooling power.  Only implies though.  Might be quieter.  That’s not comparable at all without a head-to-head

I didn't say the L9a is better or anything though, I mostly put it in there as an alternative I'm more familiar with, as I don't really know a whole lot about Cryorig's offerings in terms of coolers.

I just said the motherboard and memory are better than the ones OP chose.

 

4 minutes ago, lula said:

wouldn't it be better to go with something like this than 2x8GB at 3600Mhz?

If you feel like you'll need more than 16GB, then sure.

Also, make sure to use quotes (like I did above) or tags (like this @lula) so we're notified whenever you reply.

[lula]

@Mateyyy thanks for the tipp, 

 

i don't feel I need 32GB right now, but when I feel the need to I have to buy 32GB again, which seems a waste of money. Especially for just a few € more. 

 

 

[Mateyyy]

Just now, lula said:

@Mateyyy thanks for the tipp, 

 

i don't feel I need 32GB right now, but when I feel the need to I have to buy 32GB again, which seems a waste of money. Especially for just a few € more. 

Fair enough. For just €30 more it'll probably be worth going with the 32GB kit, especially for long-term usage.

[Bombastinator]

11 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I didn't say the L9a is better or anything though, I mostly put it in there as an alternative I'm more familiar with, as I don't really know a whole lot about Cryorig's offerings in terms of coolers.

I just said the motherboard and memory are better than the ones OP chose.

 

If you feel like you'll need more than 16GB, then sure.

Also, make sure to use quotes (like I did above) or tags (like this @lula) so we're notified whenever you reply.

Yah.  Looked worse because of the lower cfm but it seems it’s not at least power wise.  I was kind of agreeing with you I guess.  Comes down to price and noise, both of which have different knowability issues.  I didn’t quote because OP automatically sees everything and quotes notify.

[lula]

i think I will go with this cooler. As there is a bundle with my case and it seems allright for just 10€ extra

[lula]

but can someone explain what is better on the Asus ROG Strix B450 than the Aorus I chose? @Mateyyy

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, lula said:

i think I will go with this cooler. As there is a bundle with my case and it seems allright for just 10€ extra

Alpenföhn  has a decent rep.  Not available everywhere.  Doesn’t get tested a lot, at least in stuff I can read.

[Mateyyy]

10 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Yah.  Looked worse because of the lower cfm but it seems it’s not at least power wise.  I was kind of agreeing with you I guess.  Comes down to price and noise, both of which have different knowability issues.  

The problem with CFM measurements of fans is that they are taken in a free/open air environment, not right up against a heatsink like they'd be set up in this case. Static pressure is the important measurement here, but it's also not one that's mentioned too often by retailers.

 

5 minutes ago, lula said:

but can someone explain what is better on the Asus ROG Strix B450 than the Aorus I chose?

The Strix B450-I has stronger VRMs (very similar to MSI's B450 ITX board iirc) compared to the Gigabyte board, and therefore should handle an 8-core 3700X more easily if overclocked, or even a 12-core 3900X at stock speeds (which I wouldn't put in the Gigabyte board).

[lula]

@Mateyyy

yeah but i wont upgrade as for just the light gaming i do the 3600 is more than enough... 16GB ram is even more than enough from the last videos I just watched. Damn it. Except for the case everything changes in a matter of seconds. 

The only thing which speaks for consoles  

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

The problem with CFM measurements of fans is that they are taken in a free/open air environment, not right up against a heatsink like they'd be set up in this case. Static pressure is the important measurement here, but it's also not one that's mentioned too often by retailers.

 

The Strix B450-I has stronger VRMs (very similar to MSI's B450 ITX board iirc) compared to the Gigabyte board, and therefore should handle an 8-core 3700X more easily if overclocked, or even a 12-core 3900X at stock speeds (which I wouldn't put in the Gigabyte board).

Yah.  Is why I checked.  I suspect it’s not included because it’s importance is variable based on the resistance of what it’s blowing through.

 

as to the strix board it does allow for more upgradability, features may be more important in this instance though.  There’s no space for add on cards.  One gets what one gets for this thing I think.