Posted July 2, 2020 take these 4 as example, all 500gb , seq r/w speed - mx500 / sata ~550mb r/w - intel 660p / m.2 nvme~ 1500mb r /1000mb w - crucial p2 / m.2 ~ 2300mb r / 940mb w - samsung 970 evo ~3400mb r / 2300mb w I only have a sata mx500 and a 8200pro m.2( 3300mb reads) and i feel sata really fall behind in general windows use, nothing productive here. Also i have a conception that mid range m.2 nvme are only using pcie x2 speed and think they are waste of the precious slot on mobo. Are the mid range nvme fast enough to neglect the time between a high end nvme drive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 An SX8200 Pro is pretty much indistinguishable from the 970 Evo in real-world performance. Also, for boot drives, the 660p and P2 are bad options. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, Mateyyy said: the 660p and P2 are bad options why? becoz they are qlc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, dfsgsfa said: why? becoz they are qlc? The 660p uses QLC flash and the P2 is DRAMless, basically the two things you should avoid, unless you plan on using the drive strictly for games for example. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said: why? becoz they are qlc? Not only qlc And because they are dram less PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD. Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White). Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish). Build Log: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Hello, 5 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said: why? becoz they are qlc? QLC and dramless which is kinda meh now, you should get either a SATA//M.2 SSD instead of a bad NVMe. To add on @Mateyyy, you also have the Sabrent Rocket, Corsair MP510, HP 950EX if they are available and at a reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, _DeXTeR_ said: Samsung PRO isnt the (pro) is going beyond deminishing return...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said: Not only qlc And because they are dram less The 660p does have a DRAM cache, granted it's only 512MB iirc even on the 1TB+ models, but still, it's there. The P2 is TLC but DRAMless. 5 minutes ago, Meganter said: you also have the Sabrent Rocket, Corsair MP510, HP 950EX if they are available and at a reasonable price. Also the WD SN750 and Silicon Power P34A80, to add a couple more. 5 minutes ago, _DeXTeR_ said: I would go for Samsung PRO Almost double $/GB compared to even the 970 Evo for what? You can justify the 970 Pro if you need to use it as a scratch disk on the daily, but otherwise it's a literal waste of money. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mateyyy said: The 660p does have a DRAM cache, granted it's only 512MB iirc It does ?! I could have sworn it didn't Welp , guess I'm wrong on that one lol. Edit : I just checked And it does, it has 256mb of chache though. Edited July 2, 2020 by TofuHaroto PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD. Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White). Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish). Build Log: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mateyyy said: An SX8200 Pro is pretty much indistinguishable from the 970 Evo in real-world performance. Also, for boot drives, the 660p and P2 are bad options. The SX8200 Pro has quite terrible endurance, and the firmware prioritizes peak speeds over sustained speeds. QUOTE ME IN A REPLY SO I CAN SEE THE NOTIFICATION! When there is no danger of failure there is no pleasure in success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author but how bad realy are the qlc and dramless drives? any real life example? dram issue can be solved if the drive isnt near full imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, dfsgsfa said: but how bad realy are the qlc and dramless drives? any real life example? Well qlc has terrible write endurance And it starts to slow down after a certain amount of data gets written. PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD. Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White). Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish). Build Log: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Samfisher said: The SX8200 Pro has quite terrible endurance, and the firmware prioritizes peak speeds over sustained speeds. 640TBW on the 1TB model, whereas the 970 Evo and SN750 (just two quick solid options I checked) are rated for 600TBW on the 1TB models, so pretty much the same ballpark. The SX8200 Pro also has a 5 year warranty, the same as Samsung, WD and other manufacturers offer. How's the endurance on it terrible, exactly? Regarding speeds, according to Tom's Hardware review of the SX8200 Pro, with a 50GB file copy, it performed pretty much the same as the SN750, 970 Evo and 970 Pro, and in the other tests it performed similarly to those drives too. (Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-ssd,5955-3.html) Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author Just now, TofuHaroto said: Well qlc has terrible write endurance even though majority users dont really write that often in os drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, dfsgsfa said: even though majority users dont really write that often in os drive True but avoiding it would be better And having a dram less ssd Would affect both causal users and people who write often to their drivers Either way for a casual user even a sata SSD will do the job and the performance difference won't matter as it won't be noticeable what so ever PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD. Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White). Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish). Build Log: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mateyyy said: 640TBW on the 1TB model, whereas the 970 Evo and SN750 (just two quick solid options I checked) are rated for 600TBW on the 1TB models. The SX8200 Pro also has a 5 year warranty, the same as Samsung, WD and other manufacturers offer. How's the endurance on it terrible, exactly? Regarding speeds, according to Tom's Hardware review of the SX8200 Pro, with a 50GB file copy, it performed pretty much the same as the SN750, 970 Evo and 970 Pro, and in the other tests it performed similarly to those drives too. (Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-ssd,5955-3.html) The Phison E12 drives like the P34A80 are rated at 1,665 TBW on the 1TB model, and they are similarly priced. Here's the Anandtech review of the SX8200 Pro https://www.anandtech.com/show/13759/comparing-adata-sx8200-pro-vs-hp-ex950 The SM2262EN in the SX8200 Pro handles caching in a very weird way that gets worse the more you write to it. QUOTE ME IN A REPLY SO I CAN SEE THE NOTIFICATION! When there is no danger of failure there is no pleasure in success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said: take these 4 as example, all 500gb , seq r/w speed - mx500 / sata ~550mb r/w - intel 660p / m.2 nvme~ 1500mb r /1000mb w - crucial p2 / m.2 ~ 2300mb r / 940mb w - samsung 970 evo ~3400mb r / 2300mb w I only have a sata mx500 and a 8200pro m.2( 3300mb reads) and i feel sata really fall behind in general windows use, nothing productive here. Also i have a conception that mid range m.2 nvme are only using pcie x2 speed and think they are waste of the precious slot on mobo. Are the mid range nvme fast enough to neglect the time between a high end nvme drive? As far as speed goes, a 500MB+ SATA SSD is already more than enough for the average user and general use case, even for gaming. A PRO from Samsung will last a literal eternity in endurance. If you want fast file transfer, you might want a 1-2GB/s NVMe drive, like the 660p which is pretty cheap already. If you're going for the best, stick to Samsung Pro lineup but they cost a lot. For games, other than being a SSD nothing else matters right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Samfisher said: The Phison E12 drives like the P34A80 are rated at 1665TBW on the 1TB model, and they are similarly priced. I seriously doubt you'll ever get even close to even 600 written terabytes, let alone over 1000. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Mateyyy said: I seriously doubt you'll ever get even close to even 600 written terabytes, let alone over 1000. The point is there's no reason to get a worse product for no reason if they cost the same. Aside from the NAND, the firmware on the SX8200 Pro is... I've got both the SX8200 Pro and a Phison E12 SSD in my system. QUOTE ME IN A REPLY SO I CAN SEE THE NOTIFICATION! When there is no danger of failure there is no pleasure in success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 I bought a 660p as a boot drive for 2 reasons. 1 trust in Intel 2 good price for nvme Ive had it for around 10 months now, never had a problem. Day to day use for me it's fast enough. Apart from being my boot drive it has Daz studio and a number of 3d apps. I use a hdd for my media and 3d assets, basically because of the amount of data and cost of ssd. I have tried my assets on it and it is much quicker loading them than hdd (huge mixture of file sizes). As for longevity I can't comment, I haven't had it long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Samfisher said: The point is there's no reason to get a worse product for no reason if they cost the same. Aside from the NAND, the firmware on the SX8200 Pro is... I've got both the SX8200 Pro and a Phison E12 SSD in my system. I never said the SX8200 Pro is superior to the A80 or other E12 drives, I'm just saying that for most if not all people, it'll be pretty much equivalent to an E12 drive for daily tasks. I wasn't aware of the fact that it slows down much more when it's full compared to the competition, so thanks for letting me and the others here know, but then again, I think it's a pretty known fact that you should not completely fill up an SSD anyway. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author 11 minutes ago, Marbo said: 1 trust in Intel 2 good price for nvme i want to trust intel, but the product is just mid range nvme and inferior tech... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 Author 8 minutes ago, Mateyyy said: I think it's a pretty known fact that you should not completely fill up an SSD anyway. filling up isnt that terrible , at least in my 256gb 8200 pro, leaving 1 gb left barely enough to run a test , still not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said: i want to trust intel, but the product is just mid range nvme and inferior tech... It's priced accordingly. I can see it lasting me another year or 2 at least, by which time I'd be needing a bigger drive anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said: filling up isnt that terrible , at least in my 256gb 8200 pro, leaving 1 gb left barely enough to run a test , still not bad It's not advisable either. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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