Youtube Recordings Quality

[Sparky862]

I am uploading videos at 1080p quality to Youtube, but it looks like crap
 

My question is how do I make it look as good as this?

I play at 1080p res recording at 1080p because I have a 1080p Monitor.

Should I play at 1080p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1440p and export the file at 1080p?
Should I play at 1080p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1080p and export the file at 720p?
Should I play at 1440p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1080p and export the file at 1080p?

Just please tell me how I can make my videos so clear and smooth as if the viewer is actually playing the game on their monitor. Because the gameplay on my monitor looks just like the Sample video, but as soon as I am done with the recordings and upload it, it looks like My video?

[Hairless Monkey]

Hardware?

[Sparky862]

1 minute ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Hardware?

GTX 1070 G1
I7 3770k
1080p Monitor 144Hz

I use Windows 10 Microsoft build in editor to cut and trim and VSDC to export final results. So video gets exported twice basically as I am still learning VSDC to cut and trim ect

[Sparky862]

I tried the whole 1080p at 50 000 bitrate ect but it still looks like crap when I export. I record at 1080p 50 000 bitrate using Nvidia Experience. I also tried OBS with Nvec or something like that recording with a QP quality of 18...recordings look amazing, but once I export it all goes to hell.

[Hairless Monkey]

1 minute ago, Sparky862 said:

GTX 1070 G1
I7 3770k
1080p Monitor 144Hz

I use Windows 10 Microsoft build in editor to cut and trim and VSDC to export final results. So video gets exported twice basically as I am still learning VSDC to cut and trim ect

Record it at the highest bitrate you can.

 

Export at the higheat bitrate you can.

 

Transcodimg the video several times is cutting down your quality.

 

[porina]

Not an expert on YouTube by any means, but Linus had said in the past YouTube 1080p looks bad because they use a low bitrate. As a workaround he has said they upscaled content to 4k. If people watch 4k stream at 1080p, they get the higher bitrate and thus more quality. Don't know if they still do that, but in a spot check their latest video is offered in 4k, although I guess these days it isn't upscaled 1080p any more!

[Sparky862]

1 minute ago, porina said:

Not an expert on YouTube by any means, but Linus had said in the past YouTube 1080p looks bad because they use a low bitrate. As a workaround he has said they upscaled content to 4k. If people watch 4k stream at 1080p, they get the higher bitrate and thus more quality. Don't know if they still do that, but in a spot check their latest video is offered in 4k, although I guess these days it isn't upscaled 1080p any more!

That means I should play at 4K and record at 4K or play at 1080p but set recording to 4K?

[Sparky862]

2 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Record it at the highest bitrate you can.

 

Export at the higheat bitrate you can.

 

Transcodimg the video several times is cutting down your quality.

 

Still everything at 1080p?

[porina]

1 minute ago, Sparky862 said:

That means I should play at 4K and record at 4K or play at 1080p but set recording to 4K?

You'll have to experiment what works for your content. I'd record at native resolution regardless, and upscale as necessary. 

 

4 minutes ago, Sparky862 said:

I tried the whole 1080p at 50 000 bitrate ect but it still looks like crap when I export. I record at 1080p 50 000 bitrate using Nvidia Experience. I also tried OBS with Nvec or something like that recording with a QP quality of 18...recordings look amazing, but once I export it all goes to hell.

The best way to look at it is, what you're sending to YouTube is not the problem. It's what YouTube sends back. They re-encode it. So you making it better doesn't help beyond a point. As said, the workaround is to offer higher resolutions as by default YouTube will send those at a higher bitrate.

[Kisai]

13 minutes ago, Sparky862 said:

I am uploading videos at 1080p quality to Youtube, but it looks like crap
 

My question is how do I make it look as good as this?

I play at 1080p res recording at 1080p because I have a 1080p Monitor.

Should I play at 1080p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1440p and export the file at 1080p?
Should I play at 1080p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1080p and export the file at 720p?
Should I play at 1440p and make Nvidia Experience record at 1080p and export the file at 1080p?

Just please tell me how I can make my videos so clear and smooth as if the viewer is actually playing the game on their monitor. Because the gameplay on my monitor looks just like the Sample video, but as soon as I am done with the recordings and upload it, it looks like My video?

Your video:

 

 

Their video

 

Doesn't appear to be youtube, it appears to be your encoding.

 

You should play at the same or higher resolution than you record at, and you should upload the file that is recorded, don't transcode it a second time. If you're trying to make a "good" video rather than a streamed video, you should be uploading something that is 5x-10x the bitrate of the streaming one. This is the difference between recording at "fastest" with a low bit rate, and "fastest" with a high bit rate. Slower encodes are for producing quality output, but it's GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) so if your source video is of content that doesn't compress very good, it's going to look poor. If you'd normally stream at 3-4Mbits, you would probably want 15-20mbits as the upload target.

 

Or as I've said elsewhere, "upload at twice the quality and/or resolution you want it to look like, because youtube will inevitably cut it in half". Hence err on the side of higher bitrate if you are playing and recording at 1080p. 

 

[Hairless Monkey]

1 minute ago, Sparky862 said:

Still everything at 1080p?

Yeah I don't know how to upscale. I imagine it's tricky?

 

Davinci Resolve might be a better free alternative to VSDC. Havent used either.

 

Take a closer look at your export settings and make sure you arent just using a bad preset.

[Kisai]

6 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Yeah I don't know how to upscale. I imagine it's tricky?

 

Davinci Resolve might be a better free alternative to VSDC. Havent used either.

 

Take a closer look at your export settings and make sure you arent just using a bad preset.

I don't recommend upscaling video game footage, it always looks awful unless it's integer scaled. This is a side-effect of how video streaming is tuned for film and not animation/video games. Upscaled animation looks like a smeared mess, and video games often have this "fat blurry pixel" look otherwise.

 

If your encoding software doesn't make upscaling the way you want it, just use straight FFMPEG

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Scaling

 

Keep in mind stock FFMPEG always scales in software, so you need a faster CPU to rescale, and FFMPEG is what OBS uses.

[PlayStation 2]

Couple of things to know about how YouTube handles videos: 

1. The bitrates used by YouTube are rather pathetic. In the context of 720p60 video, AVC videos are roughly at 3.5Mbps, VP9 videos are at 2.5Mbps and AV1 videos are around 1.8-2.3Mbps. Keep in mind that YouTube uses an average bitrate setup, trying to aim for that bitrate unless it’s not necessary or practical, i.e. still images or extremely grainy videos with pixel-perfect grain.
2. Because your video is in AVC from YouTube, it’s not gonna look good period. Getting YouTube to show you the VP9 encode is wonky and basically is judged by activity on the video.

[GDRRiley]

set 1 is I'd move to a real editor davinci reslove 16 is free and will allow you to export formats youtube likes at decent bitrates

2 bitrate of recording for 1080p i'd go with 30-40K while 1440p 60-80K and 4k 110-130K

[Sparky862]

27 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Your video:

 

 

Their video

 

Doesn't appear to be youtube, it appears to be your encoding.

 

You should play at the same or higher resolution than you record at, and you should upload the file that is recorded, don't transcode it a second time. If you're trying to make a "good" video rather than a streamed video, you should be uploading something that is 5x-10x the bitrate of the streaming one. This is the difference between recording at "fastest" with a low bit rate, and "fastest" with a high bit rate. Slower encodes are for producing quality output, but it's GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) so if your source video is of content that doesn't compress very good, it's going to look poor. If you'd normally stream at 3-4Mbits, you would probably want 15-20mbits as the upload target.

 

Or as I've said elsewhere, "upload at twice the quality and/or resolution you want it to look like, because youtube will inevitably cut it in half". Hence err on the side of higher bitrate if you are playing and recording at 1080p.

 

I play at 1080p and record at 1080p using Nvidia Experience. Also tried OBS recording at Nvidia Nvenc H.264 with CQP Rate Control at 18 quality. OBS puts out a better quality video, but uploads still remain as seen above using VSDC.

When I export, I export in VSDC at Highest Quality setting with .mp4 at 100% quality and 1080p output using H.264 Encoder. Now, the quality might be bad cause I export it 2 times??

[Sparky862]

55 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Your video:

 

 

Their video

 

Doesn't appear to be youtube, it appears to be your encoding.

 

You should play at the same or higher resolution than you record at, and you should upload the file that is recorded, don't transcode it a second time. If you're trying to make a "good" video rather than a streamed video, you should be uploading something that is 5x-10x the bitrate of the streaming one. This is the difference between recording at "fastest" with a low bit rate, and "fastest" with a high bit rate. Slower encodes are for producing quality output, but it's GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) so if your source video is of content that doesn't compress very good, it's going to look poor. If you'd normally stream at 3-4Mbits, you would probably want 15-20mbits as the upload target.

 

Or as I've said elsewhere, "upload at twice the quality and/or resolution you want it to look like, because youtube will inevitably cut it in half". Hence err on the side of higher bitrate if you are playing and recording at 1080p.

 

So how do I get the VP9 codec or better than avc1?

[Sparky862]

50 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I don't recommend upscaling video game footage, it always looks awful unless it's integer scaled. This is a side-effect of how video streaming is tuned for film and not animation/video games. Upscaled animation looks like a smeared mess, and video games often have this "fat blurry pixel" look otherwise.

 

If your encoding software doesn't make upscaling the way you want it, just use straight FFMPEG

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Scaling

 

Keep in mind stock FFMPEG always scales in software, so you need a faster CPU to rescale, and FFMPEG is what OBS uses.

Should I use FFMPEG with rescale option to 1080p?

[SkilledRebuilds]

1 hour ago, Sparky862 said:

Should I use FFMPEG with rescale option to 1080p?

I suggest Exporting (whatever program you use for this) at 2560x1440p or 3840x2160p 60FPS at 65-70Mbps
This is what I use and I usually get VP9 codec use on anything 1440p or higher.

 

I use Adobe Premiere Pro but even the Free Win7 Windows MovieMaker works on Win10 and can export in 1440p/4K60 with a modification.

As long as you have a version similar...the profile tweak could enable higher quality exports.

 

[Sparky862]

11 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I suggest Exporting (whatever program you use for this) at 2560x1440p or 3840x2160p 60FPS at 65-70Mbps
This is what I use and I usually get VP9 codec use on anything 1440p or higher.

 

I use Adobe Premiere Pro but even the Free Win7 Windows MovieMaker works on Win10 and can export in 1440p/4K60 with a modification.

As long as you have a version similar...the profile tweak could enable higher quality exports.

 

So I should record at native but export in 2k with 30mbps for HD and 24mbps for SD?

[Sparky862]

So recording in 1080p but exporting with a bitrate of 50mbps at 1080p actually degrades my video and not increase the quality?

[SkilledRebuilds]

1 hour ago, Sparky862 said:

So I should record at native but export in 2k with 30mbps for HD and 24mbps for SD?

You can record in your 1080p Native yes,.. and Export in 2K but I'd choose more than 30mbps for even just 30fps videos, let alone 60fps targets.

Use 60-65mbps or even 70mbps at 2560x1440p or 4K and upload that to Youtube..
Youtube should reconvert to around 1440p 65mbps over enough time passed and should also be VP9 codec in use.

^Because of this...you want to FEED the Beast a HIGH Quality Sample... because Youtube will butcher it, and the more it has to work with the better..
It does not have to be a full video.. just SNIP a clip and upload a two minute sample.

The reason your 50mbps samples still look like crap afterwards is because on YT they are compressed (at 1080p) further to 8-12mbps (30 or 60fps)
Yet the same sample........ exported at 1440p, YT will use 16-24mbps and 45-70mbps at 2160p 4K30/60.
Even with your 50mbps your YT-RES Bitrate bound using only 1080p resolution for YT to work with.

[AlwaysFSX]

3 hours ago, Kisai said:

I don't recommend upscaling video game footage, it always looks awful unless it's integer scaled. This is a side-effect of how video streaming is tuned for film and not animation/video games. Upscaled animation looks like a smeared mess, and video games often have this "fat blurry pixel" look otherwise.

1080p to 2160p scales without an issue. Even 1080p to 1440p is fine for youtube.

[SkilledRebuilds]

36 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

1080p to 2160p scales without an issue. Even 1080p to 1440p is fine for youtube.

Seemingly......Works differently with processed video.

I see the interpolation USING 1440p on 1080p or 4K panels, but the SAME captured 1440p video (NVENC) does not show any negative artifacts or anything of the sort with playback on 1080p or 4K displays, on YT or otherwise. (Be it Nvidia's doing or otherwise)

I don't know if thats a thing or not,.. just what I see after years of doing this exact thing.
 

[Sparky862]

So in short.

 

1. Record in native resolution, no need to record in higher res if my native res is 1080p?

2. Import the file with said video editor.

3. Export the file as a 2K 60FPS @65mbps (2560x1440)
4. Upload and profit?