Is the hyper 212 overrated?

[Guest]

Everybody suggests the hyper 212 and they got a point but is it this popular because it is cheap and good for price/performance or Is it actually that good?

[gloop]

On the UK PCPP, the price is equivalent to the Gelid Phantom Black which performs much better (about 3-5c behind the D-15), but I think it’s just that so many people have gotten it that people will just keep buying it. 

[Acid Panda]

its a great cooler for mid-higher range pc's. 

it just gets the job done. nothing else

[PlayStation 2]

It's... well, it's a cooler for sure. It's really a cooler from a different era (and by that I mean the LGA1156-era), and as such, should be paired with CPUs that aren't far off from the core count and heat output from that era.

[Guest]

It was a good cooler, these days there are some better options with more modern mounting brackets. Back in the day this was just the best bang for the buck. 

[Jurrunio]

Which one? The oldest 212 is I think over 10 years old now, but the newest one is only 1 year old (Black edition) and there are a lot of models in between, differ in performance significantly.

 

You can say the success of the first model encouraged CM to use the same number over and over again building up its reputation. Of course old models arent that good by today's standard, but they are good enough when they were new

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Which one? The oldest 212 is I think over 10 years old now, but the newest one is only 1 year old (Black edition) and there are a lot of models in between, differ in performance significantly.

 

You can say the success of the first model encouraged CM to use the same number over and over again building up its reputation. Of course old models arent that good by today's standard, but they are good enough when they were new

 

We only have the Black edition (non-rgb) and the normal non evo rgb edition here. Guessing the black edition is the newest by the fan design

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Berkomeister said:

We only have the Black edition (non-rgb) and the normal non evo rgb edition here. Guessing the black edition is the newest by the fan design

Yes, black edition also has its own RGB edition (while heatsink is still black) and the RGB fan is actually slightly better.

 

These two are decent coolers by their size.

[Bombastinator]

*reacts to the headline* I’m going with “sort of”. They’re overpriced.  Heat exchanger and propeller tech just hasn’t changed all that much since world war 2.  They’re as good as they always were.  They’ve got maxed out rep though and it shows in their price.  The thing about a hyper212 is the reason they’re quiet is because they use sleeve bearing fans and sleeve bearing fans have some serious limitations.  They MUST face sideways for one.  If they don’t they wear out very very quickly.  The up side is they predate the great cheaping out heat pipes went through so you know you get decent heat pipes with a hyper212z

[freeagent]

Yes. Over hyped and over priced. I have a 212 evo in the closet, it’s not very good. And there is not a chance in hell that it is only 3-5c behind a D14/15. Good one. It is not something I would use in a high end build, it is something I would use in a pinch.

[Bombastinator]

30 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Yes. Over hyped and over priced. I have a 212 evo in the closet, it’s not very good. And there is not a chance in hell that it is only 3-5c behind a D14/15. Good one. It is not something I would use in a high end build, it is something I would use in a pinch.

3-5c behind a d14-d15?!  That’s not how things are measured.  It MIGHT be if you were running a cpu of a particular wattage.  A not very high wattage.  The hyper212 is like 130w max or something.  Might be lower.  The d15 is more like 250w so if you’ve got a cpu that throws out more heat than the hyper212 can take it’s not going to work at all. A hyper212 might do something like that if you’ve got a low wattage cpu where BOTH the d15 AND the hyper212 are overkill.  Such CPUs exist.

[freeagent]

Those aren’t my words. Last I checked 212 was 150w and D15 was 260w. 
 

edit:

 

Whoops, I thought someone said the 212 was just behind a d15, upon further inspection he was talking about something else.

[CPT_BEEMO]

I guess you could say..... it's pretty...cool.

 

 

Please don't hurt me.

[Deli]

2 hours ago, freeagent said:

Yes. Over hyped and over priced. I have a 212 evo in the closet, it’s not very good. And there is not a chance in hell that it is only 3-5c behind a D14/15. Good one. It is not something I would use in a high end build, it is something I would use in a pinch.

It's a 30 buck cooler. For ~$30, I won't say it's over priced.

 

It isn't supposed to pair with high end CPUs, like 9900K and 3900X. For Ryzen 5 3600 or i3 10400, it works well to replace the stock coolers.

[WoodenMarker]

Price and availability varies. It can be a good performer for the price and there can also be better coolers for the price.

In terms of being an upgrade over stock and being adequate for most systems, the Hyper 212 fulfills that role nicely and often at a modest price. 

[freeagent]

Here in Canada the price is out to lunch.

 

Behold the craziness

 

I bought my Thermalright coolers from the states. I bought my old D14 from the states, my H100 was from here I think.. most of my pc stuff I bought from the states or other forum members in the states. My case, gpu, and ssds  were bought here.

[LogicalDrm]

As said, it was once king of budget coolers. Not anymore. There are so many betters.

 

Overrated? Not really. It (even EVO) is still good value cooler and has wide availability in countries with overall limited selection.

 

Overhyped/-recommended? Yes. People tend to recommend it without thinking. Its bad habit, to any component. There are better coolers that are cheaper, there are better in same price range. In this sense its same with high end coolers. People throw D15/DRP4 around when someone asks best cooler. Not saying they are wrong, but circumstances matter more than pure numbers. Which is also why talking/looking at TDP is another bad habit.

 

Air cooling as field of PC building is full of misunderstanding, people stuck on one thing they know, bad habits and expectations. We are just getting away from "hot air rises" nonsense.

 

[Bombastinator]

28 minutes ago, LogicalDrm said:

As said, it was once king of budget coolers. Not anymore. There are so many betters.

 

Overrated? Not really. It (even EVO) is still good value cooler and has wide availability in countries with overall limited selection.

 

Overhyped/-recommended? Yes. People tend to recommend it without thinking. Its bad habit, to any component. There are better coolers that are cheaper, there are better in same price range. In this sense its same with high end coolers. People throw D15/DRP4 around when someone asks best cooler. Not saying they are wrong, but circumstances matter more than pure numbers. Which is also why talking/looking at TDP is another bad habit.

 

Air cooling as field of PC building is full of misunderstanding, people stuck on one thing they know, bad habits and expectations. We are just getting away from "hot air rises" nonsense.

 

Re: hot air rises

id say is and isn’t with that one.  Hot air does rise.  It just does it quite slowly and without a lot of force.  So little force it is very easy to counteract even by accident.  It is possible to design something that actually works on this principal, but extreme care needs to be taken to the point that it is nearly useless for atx and even one fan can mess the whole thing up.  
 

So true but not usefully true for white box atx.  A narrow distinction perhaps