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I am looking to upgrade my CPU from an i7 7700k to something more modern. I only really use my PC for gaming so I am not super worried about video editing or rendering performance. I am torn between upgrading to the i9 9900k or the Ryzen 3900x. the 3900x is potentially a bit cheaper, but I am not sure if i can get a motherboard that works with it out of box, because pc part picker keeps telling me some motherboards will need a bios update out of box in order to work with 3rd gen ryzen processors and I don't have an older processor to use to upgrade bios with. The i9 9900k seems to be a bit more expensive but has slightly better performance in games as well, and if I am buying a motherboard for it there doesnt seem to be any compatibility issues. Which option do you guys think is better?

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3700x. If you only play games extra cores isnt very useful (and bad time to buy 9th gen when 10th gen uses new socket and stuff).

 

For board compatibility you could go the cheap way with B450 boards that has BIOS flashback (i.e MSI B450 ATX boards and the mATX Mortar, Max boards are preflashed and has fancy user interface), or the less fuss way with X570. Flagship X370/470 board with BIOS flashback is also an option if you're into that.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

3700x. If you only play games extra cores isnt very useful (and bad time to buy 9th gen when 10th gen uses new socket and stuff).

 

For board compatibility you could go the cheap way with B450 boards that has BIOS flashback (i.e MSI B450 ATX boards and the mATX Mortar, Max boards are preflashed and has fancy user interface), or the less fuss way with X570. Flagship X370/470 board with BIOS flashback is also an option if you're into that.

So if I got the Asus ROG Strix x470 F Motherboard it would work out of box with 3rd gen ryzen and not require any sort of bios update?

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Just now, Lord Slorgi said:

So if I got the Asus ROG Strix x470 F Motherboard it would work out of box with 3rd gen ryzen and not require any sort of bios update?

Nope, X470-F does not have BIOS flashback and does not guarantee to come with 3rd gen compatible BIOS. There is a chance that works with 3rd gen, that depends on when it left the factory, but that's a gamble.

 

Or of course you could buy from a retail store and ask the shop to update it for you.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Nope, X470-F does not have BIOS flashback and does not guarantee to come with 3rd gen compatible BIOS. There is a chance that works with 3rd gen, that depends on when it left the factory, but that's a gamble.

 

Or of course you could buy from a retail store and ask the shop to update it for you.

so which chipsets will have bios flashback and not require any bios updates? just so i know what im looking for, i dont think i have any stores near me that carry any of this so online is really my only option.

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24 minutes ago, Lord Slorgi said:

so which chipsets will have bios flashback and not require any bios updates?

This is board dependent, not chipset dependent. What chipset affects is out of the box compatible CPUs that can be guaranteed, like X570 supporting 3rd gen, B450.supporting 2nd gen

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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