ryzen 7 2700x high idle temp with AiO

[just me]

i just got an aio (deepcool 240 rgb) and have used it for 2 months. not really impressed. CPU goes up to 50-60C (idle tasks closed), then the fans starts and its down to 45C, 8 seconds later 50-60C. the graph on afterburner is all over the place.

can someone help?

[Noah0302]

Have you OCed it? High voltages are most likely the problem.

 

But also make sure that you installed your cooler correctly either way

[Mallith]

Reapply the thermal paste, I have a 3900x which should run hotter than yours and mine idles at 35° with a noctua nh-d15 aircooler. Also check the voltages with ryzen master or cpu-z (not other monitoring software since AMD behaves weirdly when you use monitoring software like HWinfo).

[rares495]

2 minutes ago, Mallith said:

Reapply the thermal paste, I have a 3900x which should run hotter than yours and mine idles at 35° with a noctua nh-d15 aircooler. Also check the voltages with ryzen master or cpu-z (not other monitoring software since AMD behaves weirdly when you use monitoring software like HWinfo).

Ryzen master is a joke and CPU-Z shows not a whole lot.

 

HWInfo64 is the best monitoring tool at the moment. I don't know what you mean by "behaves weirdly".

[just me]

No OC, just uppdated the bios for no reason but hoped it would do something. i used the pre-applied thermal paste.i have one tube of thermal so i might just try re installing the aio. but i was hoping it would be something else. i just ran a virus scan and there's nothing, temp at 65C and fans go all crazy

[Noah0302]

2 minutes ago, just me said:

No OC, just uppdated the bios for no reason but hoped it would do something. i used the pre-applied thermal paste.i have one tube of thermal so i might just try re installing the aio. but i was hoping it would be something else. i just ran a virus scan and there's nothing, temp at 65C and fans go all crazy

Have you checked if your pump is working correctly?

 

Low Pump RMP can also be a reason for high temps

[Nexblitzer]

4 things that could be a potential issue.

1. Bad heat spreader mount. The only way an AIO could get bad results of that caliper is if there was a bad mount, now i know for a fact that if you apply too little thermal paste and tighten the screws on one side of the heat spreader a little to much is can cause massive heat delta's even for a relatively low TDP chip, hell even on seriously undervolted chips. Try taking the cooler off, reapplying/changing (if you used the stock) thermal past and re-tightening the screws evenly in order, it could help change temperatures drastically, unless its something else of course.

2. use a quality thermal paste, quality thermal paste will and can always help, although from the extent of temperature deltas you are posting, i don't think that is the issue.

3. High (out of the box) motherboard voltages. Some motherboards have out of the box voltages they may vary a lot depending on the OEM. Some companies may have for example 1.2 volts tuned for the memory, when it might only need 1.05 volts to run sufficiently at it's given speed, and if the given motherboard has especially high voltages but not unstable voltage settings for the CPU your using, in this case the 2700X, then it could be causing a large cooling delta, although HWMoniter would most likely pick that up.

4. Bad cooler. Sometimes its the companies that unintentionally screw you over.

 

That's all my man, hope this slightly helped

[just me]

2 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

4 things that could be a potential issue.

1. Bad heat spreader mount. The only way an AIO could get bad results of that caliper is if there was a bad mount, now i know for a fact that if you apply too little thermal paste and tighten the screws on one side of the heat spreader a little to much is can cause massive heat delta's even for a relatively low TDP chip, hell even on seriously undervolted chips. Try taking the cooler off, reapplying/changing (if you used the stock) thermal past and re-tightening the screws evenly in order, it could help change temperatures drastically, unless its something else of course.

2. use a quality thermal paste, quality thermal paste will and can always help, although from the extent of temperature deltas you are posting, i don't think that is the issue.

3. High (out of the box) motherboard voltages. Some motherboards have out of the box voltages they may vary a lot depending on the OEM. Some companies may have for example 1.2 volts tuned for the memory, when it might only need 1.05 volts to run sufficiently at it's given speed, and if the given motherboard has especially high voltages but not unstable voltage settings for the CPU your using, in this case the 2700X, then it could be causing a large cooling delta, although HWMoniter would most likely pick that up.

4. Bad cooler. Sometimes its the companies that unintentionally screw you over.

 

That's all my man, hope this slightly helped

thanks! i will try to install the pump again. if its no difference im just gona stick with the wraith

[just me]

7 minutes ago, Noah0302 said:

Have you checked if your pump is working correctly?

 

Low Pump RMP can also be a reason for high temps

is it possible to check if the pump works? i mean, the rgb light is on? so yeh? and i guess it works, cause of the insane quick variation in temps

[Noah0302]

1 minute ago, just me said:

is it possible to check if the pump works? i mean, the rgb light is on? so yeh? and i guess it works, cause of the insane quick variation in temps

RGB is no sign of a working pump.

 

It might be a weird pump curve so that it only really kicks in once the CPU gets hot.

I never had a deepcool AIO but most have software where you can see the RPM of the pump. HWinfo shows me the pump speed of my AIO for example.

[191x7]

Did you connect the pump to a regular fan header?

[.Apex.]

55 minutes ago, just me said:

i just got an aio (deepcool 240 rgb) and have used it for 2 months. not really impressed. CPU goes up to 50-60C (idle tasks closed), then the fans starts and its down to 45C, 8 seconds later 50-60C. the graph on afterburner is all over the place.

can someone help?

It seems like you have a very aggressive fan curve, the fans shouldn't shut off below 60C, unless you want it that way but then why would you complain about idle temps?

[Mallith]

On 2/6/2020 at 10:22 AM, rares495 said:

Ryzen master is a joke and CPU-Z shows not a whole lot.

 

HWInfo64 is the best monitoring tool at the moment. I don't know what you mean by "behaves weirdly".

There is a reddit post by an AMD spokeperson specificly saying to not use HWinfo64/HWmonitor and only use CPU-Z since CPU-Z doesn't have the monitoring effect. HWinfo will call on all cores during monitoring which will lead to higher percieved temps.

[Guest]

On 2/6/2020 at 3:23 AM, just me said:

No OC, just uppdated the bios for no reason but hoped it would do something. i used the pre-applied thermal paste.i have one tube of thermal so i might just try re installing the aio. but i was hoping it would be something else. i just ran a virus scan and there's nothing, temp at 65C and fans go all crazy

Hot flagship cpu. 

High temp alert is 70c fans 100% unless motherboard prompts it sooner.

Max operating temp bfore throttle 90c, again unless mobo otherwise specified.

 

You just happen to have a high temp gradient, could be from low pump speed, not enough radiator.

If the pump was not turning, your temps would be much high.

 

Your temps dont look too bad. Not sure if there is even an issue here.

 

The max temp youve told any one is 65c. This temp is fine.

 

Manually adjust your fan curve.

 

Lastly a list of system specs so people can help properly. Not one of the guys with suggestions have any fucking clue what you are working with.

So far we have 2700x AIO and 65c temp lol.

[maizenblue]

I have a related question. When people talk about cpu temps do they mean cpu core or cpu package? Package temp is like 10 degrees hotter. 
 

Its hard to compare unless i know what im comparing it to.  

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

I have a related question. When people talk about cpu temps do they mean cpu core or cpu package? Package temp is like 10 degrees hotter. 
 

Its hard to compare unless i know what im comparing it to.  

Core temps are on die.

Package temp is socket, off die temp, usually this one for fan control.

 

 

[maizenblue]

On 2/11/2020 at 12:30 PM, ShrimpBrime said:

Core temps are on die.

Package temp is socket, off die temp, usually this one for fan control.

 

 

So people generally use cpu package temp when discussing "CPU" temps? Its important for me to know because im seeing over a 20C difference. One temp is normal, the other would be considered high. For instance right now at idle my CPU core temp is 32C but my cpu package temp is 54C. One is a normal idle temp and the other would be high. 

 

Ryzen master just says temp. And its halfway between my hwmonitor core temp of 32 and package temp of 54, at 44C.

[Guest]

• All of the temperatures on AMD is based on an algorithm. 
• W10 is also partly to blame for mis-read temps. ( I experience both W7 & 10 OS)
• Most temps you see where pulled 1000ms ago.... What you see displayed already happened. (not real time)
• Monitoring programs opened at the same time can skew readings.
• Package Temp, PCB off core temp runs higher because it's absorbed heat from 8 cores. This is the temp algorithm that controls the Cpu and chassis fans.