My new PC

[Bondeh]

Hey there,

 

I am going to be getting a new pc shortly and have picked out a bunch of stuff and was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or alternatives for any of the parts.

 

I am Australian so i am getting all my PC stuff from Scorptec.com ( including getting them to build and test the PC ).

My budget is around $4000 including windows 7 ultimate 64bit (~$210) and the cost of building my pc which is around $120 i think.

I am using this PC for primarily gaming with some video editing and fraps recording. i use a triple monitor setup. 3x27inch (1080p).

CPU - Intel i7 4770k

Motherboard - ASUS Maximus VI Hero

Graphics card - EVGA GTX780 TI superclocked with AXC Cooler

Memory - G.Skill 16 gb (2x8GB) 1600 MHZ

Boot drive (SSD #1 and 2) - 2x Samsung evo 840 250GB in RAID 0

HDD #3 - WD Black 1TB (for games)

HDD #4 - WD Black 1TB (for Fraps)

HDD #5 and 6 - 2x WD Red 3TB (Media storage)

Case - NZXT Phantom 820 (black)

Power Supply - Corsair 860w AX-860i Digital Platinum

CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i

OS - Windows 7 64bit ( I have windows 8 but i do NOT like it at all so i refuse to use it regardless if it gives better performance in games).

 

I was thinking about getting the GTX 780TI dual classified not sure that its worth the extra 100 dollars.

I was going to do a custom watercool setup but thats even more expensive and i have 0 experience with it. (i have watched Linus Tech tips videos on water cooling but thats about it).

 

Thanks for any input or suggestions you guys have.

[Swegly]

God thats a lot of hard drive space...  

Also do not use Raid with SSDs. Its pointless and decreases lifetime.

[GBBnero]

Why raid the SSD? Get a larger one for the same price. The performance improvement you get with Raid on SSD is basically not noticeable except if you for example move large raw avi captures

[Bondeh]

I was under the impression that running 2 SSD's in raid 0 made them faster?

 

if not raid 0 i guess it'd be better to just buy 1 larger SSD......

[Jerakl]

1. To my knowledge dual classified is mainly for overclocking, so unless you want to do some GPU overclocking I don't think it will be ver important.

2. I don't know much about storage, but personally I would go with 840 EVO's instead if 820.

Also, build it yourself. (A lot if us will say this) It isn't that hard as long as you do some research.

Hope I helped!

[SAV1OUR]

edit miss read the title 

[Bondeh]

Oh that was a typo i am actually getting  840 EVO not 820.

[Bondeh]

The reason i am getting Scorptec to build the PC is i have very average vision so i'd rather let them do it. i've watched many videos on building PC's (most of Linus's) while i could do most of it some is just abit to difficult for someone with my vision.

[warmmilk]

this should be in the new builds and planning forum, but I'll put in my 3 cents anyway

 

classified isn't worth the extra money, this is coming from a classified owner.  just get one with a custom cooler so it runs quieter.  there are plenty out there just $10 to $20 more with a custom pcb design, if i were buying again, i'd go for one of those.

 

I agree with Swegly on not doing raid.  the potential complications arent worth it.  going from single ssd to raid 0 or 2 isn't anything like going from an hdd to and ssd.  instead of going from 10 seconds to 2 for something to open for hdd vs ssd, youre going from 2 to 1...  and depending on how the mobo works for raid, you might even be looking at longer boot times with raid over a single drive.

 

that 1tb for fraps, I'm assuming you mean recording game play?  if so Linus did a vid a long time ago (I think its on the ncix channel) testing recording fraps with an hdd vs ssd, and he got significantly better frame rates in games using an ssd.  so maybe look into that and figure out the best way to go about that.  the other thing is you can use shadow play since youre getting an nvidia card.  its supposed to work much better than fraps, so research that also before spilling for another ssd if you listen to this part of my advise

 

thats alot of storage for media... if I needed this much I'd get a NAS box instead.  Nothing wrong with puttinf it all in your main system but I thought I'd throw it out there in case you just didn't think of it.

 

as far as building it yourself, I think you should go for it.  I dont think average vision will cause you any problems.  Unless you're being very liberal with average and actually have bad vision, in that case I'm sorry for being a jerk about it.

[vong]

The reason i am getting Scorptec to build the PC is i have very average vision so i'd rather let them do it. i've watched many videos on building PC's (most of Linus's) while i could do most of it some is just abit to difficult for someone with my vision.

 

Go to PC Case Gear. Everything is cheaper there and they can assemble and test it out as well. You should get the Phantom 630 instead of the 820, it'll have enough room for what you want and won't look too empty.

[Almercenary]

The reason i am getting Scorptec to build the PC is i have very average vision so i'd rather let them do it. i've watched many videos on building PC's (most of Linus's) while i could do most of it some is just abit to difficult for someone with my vision.

Do you know how to add HDD's. Do you need windows ultimate (ie, are you going to use the two extra features?)  And also I wouldn't put the ssd's in raid.  and lastly what are you going to use it for? Theres some awesome prebuilts in PCCG that you could just add some drives to

[Almercenary]

Go to PC Case Gear. Everything is cheaper there and they can assemble and test it out as well. You should get the Phantom 630 instead of the 820, it'll have enough room for what you want and won't look too empty.

atm they don't offer that service http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1418

[Createinator]

Everything looks great ~ just drop the RAID 0 SSD in favor of one larger SSD.
And why did you decide on the ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VI HERO Motherboard?

[Bondeh]

this should be in the new builds and planning forum, but I'll put in my 3 cents anyway

 

classified isn't worth the extra money, this is coming from a classified owner.  just get one with a custom cooler so it runs quieter.  there are plenty out there just $10 to $20 more with a custom pcb design, if i were buying again, i'd go for one of those.

 

I agree with Swegly on not doing raid.  the potential complications arent worth it.  going from single ssd to raid 0 or 2 isn't anything like going from an hdd to and ssd.  instead of going from 10 seconds to 2 for something to open for hdd vs ssd, youre going from 2 to 1...  and depending on how the mobo works for raid, you might even be looking at longer boot times with raid over a single drive.

 

that 1tb for fraps, I'm assuming you mean recording game play?  if so Linus did a vid a long time ago (I think its on the ncix channel) testing recording fraps with an hdd vs ssd, and he got significantly better frame rates in games using an ssd.  so maybe look into that and figure out the best way to go about that.  the other thing is you can use shadow play since youre getting an nvidia card.  its supposed to work much better than fraps, so research that also before spilling for another ssd if you listen to this part of my advise

 

thats alot of storage for media... if I needed this much I'd get a NAS box instead.  Nothing wrong with puttinf it all in your main system but I thought I'd throw it out there in case you just didn't think of it.

 

as far as building it yourself, I think you should go for it.  I dont think average vision will cause you any problems.  Unless you're being very liberal with average and actually have bad vision, in that case I'm sorry for being a jerk about it.

 

Okay, Sorry for not putting the thread int he correct location i honestly dind't see that section i look closer next time.

I'll leave it as the EVGA GTX780 TI w/ACX Cooler.

People seem very against the idea of RAID 0 SSD's so i wont do that i'll just make it a 500GB EVO 840.

Yes i am going to be recording Game footage, i haven't looked into shadow play (haven't actually heard about it).

I have thought about a NAS but the PC i am getting can support the HDD's i want and as many as i want so i figured i'd just put them in the PC.

with my vision its probably worse than average, which is why i am not confident in building the PC myself.(and i didn't think you were a jerk about it lol).

 

I appreciate the input and it has been very helpful thank you.

[Bondeh]

Personally i do NOT like PCCG i've had s bad experience with them so i'll stick with Scorptec.

You're probably right i dont need windows 7 ultimate.

My friend has an ROG motherboard says they are really good, is there something wrong with them? is there something i should use instead? ( keep in mind i need 5 SATA 3 ports for my HDD's)

honestly the ROG board also looks good =P

[warmmilk]

Personally i do NOT like PCCG i've had s bad experience with them so i'll stick with Scorptec.

You're probably right i dont need windows 7 ultimate.

My friend has an ROG motherboard says they are really good, is there something wrong with them? is there something i should use instead? ( keep in mind i need 5 SATA 3 ports for my HDD's)

honestly the ROG board also looks good =P

 

Based on a very very very limited pool, they seam to require more voltage to OC than other boards...  this statement can very possibly be false and the limited pool could very well be anomalies.  I used to have an ROG Formula board, it looked great, but I wasn't a huge fan of it.  Mostly cause all the features that Asus claims to have over other boards are very finicky and don't work well.  I ended up selling that rig and just got a Gigabyte mobo with just the standard Z87 features and couldn't be happier.  But there really is no real reason to stay away from Asus mobo's

 

one thing I will say though, install the Intel chipset drivers before anything else with the Asus boards.  Quite a few people (I was one of them) had issues not doing that and ended up having to doing clean windows installs again.  This is prolly  good idea with any board, but I've never heard of another board having issues cause of this.

[IAmSkip]

It seems like you are just buying the most expensive (or close to most expensive) components, without much of a care in regards to price/performance.

Do you have a use for all the components?
For example, do you need hyperthreading on the cpu? If not save $100 and get a 4670k.
If you don't need any of the fancy overclocking tools etc, you don't need to spend that much on a motherboard either. Asus is quite consistent with the quality from the cheapest

to the most expensive boards in their range.
I agree with getting on single larger SSD. 
860i is overkill for that build too, 750 Watts is more than ample.
You've already addressed this, but win 7 pro is more than fine for most people. 

Do you game across the 3 displays in surround? If not 780ti is more than overkill and a regular 780 or aftermarket r9 290/290x would be fine. (And even then the 780 or 290/290x is fine for 3x1080p gaming). 

If you address those points and find out you don't need the extremely expensive components, you could knock a good $500 off the build price.

[TheDigitalRealm]

Based on a very very very limited pool, they seam to require more voltage to OC than other boards...  this statement can very possibly be false and the limited pool could very well be anomalies.  I used to have an ROG Formula board, it looked great, but I wasn't a huge fan of it.  Mostly cause all the features that Asus claims to have over other boards are very finicky and don't work well.  I ended up selling that rig and just got a Gigabyte mobo with just the standard Z87 features and couldn't be happier.  But there really is no real reason to stay away from Asus mobo's

 

one thing I will say though, install the Intel chipset drivers before anything else with the Asus boards.  Quite a few people (I was one of them) had issues not doing that and ended up having to doing clean windows installs again.  This is prolly  good idea with any board, but I've never heard of another board having issues cause of this.

I'm going to have to agree with you about the RoG board thing. Don't get me wrong, my formula is a great board if you plan on using it to its full potential, but I don't. I found that in spite of all the praise fanXpert 2 gets, it is a little finicky, and the software isn't all there yet. Personally, when I upgrade I'll probably go for something like the Sabertooth. I like its aesthetics more.

Oh and I had the same problem with the intel chipset drivers.

[warmmilk]

It seems like you are just buying the most expensive (or close to most expensive) components, without much of a care in regards to price/performance.

Do you have a use for all the components?

For example, do you need hyperthreading on the cpu? If not save $100 and get a 4670k.

If you don't need any of the fancy overclocking tools etc, you don't need to spend that much on a motherboard either. Asus is quite consistent with the quality from the cheapest

to the most expensive boards in their range.

I agree with getting on single larger SSD. 

860i is overkill for that build too, 750 Watts is more than ample.

You've already addressed this, but win 7 pro is more than fine for most people. 

Do you game across the 3 displays in surround? If not 780ti is more than overkill and a regular 780 or aftermarket r9 290/290x would be fine. (And even then the 780 or 290/290x is fine for 3x1080p gaming). 

If you address those points and find out you don't need the extremely expensive components, you could knock a good $500 off the build price.

 

there are plenty of modern games that drop below 60 average fps on a 780Ti at 1080p, and almost every modern game min fps well below 60.  so a 780Ti isn't overkill.

 

as far as knocking off the price a bit, he's dumping 4k into the build, I dont think he's penny pinching.  nor did he ask to try and trim down the price in his OP.  however if he is interested in that i agree with most of your points.

 

@Bondeh

another thing I forgot to mention is win 7 can only see upto a 2gb hdd.  so your 3tb hdd's will show up as 2tb hdd's at first.  asus mobo's have a tool that (software) that will allow you to access the rest of the storage space.  so after doing that each WD red will show up as a 2tb and 1tb drive in your system.  so if you decide to switch mobo's to a different brand, make sure that mobo also has this feature

[IAmSkip]

there are plenty of modern games that drop below 60 average fps on a 780Ti at 1080p, and almost every modern game min fps well below 60.  so a 780Ti isn't overkill.

 

as far as knocking off the price a bit, he's dumping 4k into the build, I dont think he's penny pinching.  nor did he ask to try and trim down the price in his OP.  however if he is interested in that i agree with most of your points.

 

@Bondeh

another thing I forgot to mention is win 7 can only see upto a 2gb hdd.  so your 3tb hdd's will show up as 2tb hdd's at first.  asus mobo's have a tool that (software) that will allow you to access the rest of the storage space.  so after doing that each WD red will show up as a 2tb and 1tb drive in your system.  so if you decide to switch mobo's to a different brand, make sure that mobo also has this feature

Well if you like 16x AA (which a lot of websites use to fully push a card in benchmarks) then yea they do. In reality though the difference between 16x and even 4x isn't that noticeable, some people even prefer no AA. 

It's all down to his usage case, and I'm under the impression he isn't fully sure what he wants from his build (no point sinking money into something he isn't going to use), hence why I am asking and suggesting things.

[Bondeh]

there are plenty of modern games that drop below 60 average fps on a 780Ti at 1080p, and almost every modern game min fps well below 60.  so a 780Ti isn't overkill.

 

as far as knocking off the price a bit, he's dumping 4k into the build, I dont think he's penny pinching.  nor did he ask to try and trim down the price in his OP.  however if he is interested in that i agree with most of your points.

 

@Bondeh

another thing I forgot to mention is win 7 can only see upto a 2gb hdd.  so your 3tb hdd's will show up as 2tb hdd's at first.  asus mobo's have a tool that (software) that will allow you to access the rest of the storage space.  so after doing that each WD red will show up as a 2tb and 1tb drive in your system.  so if you decide to switch mobo's to a different brand, make sure that mobo also has this feature

Thanks for the info about windows 7 only seeing 2tb HDD, i did not actually know that since this pc only has max of 2 tb HDD's.

 

 

Well if you like 16x AA (which a lot of websites use to fully push a card in benchmarks) then yea they do. In reality though the difference between 16x and even 4x isn't that noticeable, some people even prefer no AA. 

It's all down to his usage case, and I'm under the impression he isn't fully sure what he wants from his build (no point sinking money into something he isn't going to use), hence why I am asking and suggesting things.

I buy a PC every...4-5 years so when i buy i try and think ahead a bit try and .... "future proof" my build a bit.for now parts of this pc are probably overkill but in 4 years it'll still be a decent pc.

 some may not agree with this but it's how i do it.

 

I dont really want to go over 4k spent on this pc but upto that point i am fine with.

I would like to try overclocking with this PC i have not done it before so that makes me a little nervous about it but i think it'll be fun.

i know i am going to be doing Video editing on the PC which is why i was going for the i7 over the i5

 

I made this thread to get some input on anything i might be doing wrong or is just "stupid" such as raid 0 thanks to you guys i wont be doing raid 0.

and for tips like the windows 7 can only see 2tb useful information that i did not know.

I've tried to look into things on my own on sites like Tom's hardware and looking at videos on youtube and whatever but i thought i'd throw in my entire build and what i was planning on doing with it and seeing what peoples thoughts were. 

I appreciate all input/advice/recommendations even if i dont go with it so thanks guys.

[Mattler]

I just build this basic setup for a friend of mine, and he only spend about 1600$. You plaining on doing Youtube videos and gameplay. All that stuff is very good at doing all that stuff. Keep in mind that you need a PSU to handle the Haswell, my friend was getting the BSOD because he had a 800 GS from Corsair and it wasn't giving the CPU enough power.

[Bondeh]

I just build this basic setup for a friend of mine, and he only spend about 1600$. You plaining on doing Youtube videos and gameplay. All that stuff is very good at doing all that stuff. Keep in mind that you need a PSU to handle the Haswell, my friend was getting the BSOD because he had a 800 GS from Corsair and it wasn't giving the CPU enough power.

Yes i'll be doing gameplay recording and youtube vids. I thought the corsair AX860i handled the power properly?

 

Things are more expensive in Australia as well i am pretty sure but i am getting alot of HDD's which is boostingt he price abit.

[Le Reaper]

1tb for FRAPS?

Just "Legally Purchase" windows or get a Linux distro and save some cash.

That's a TON of storage, you could probably tone it down and save some $$$.

If you have no experience with it, I would not go with a custom loop. If you want liquid cooling, buy a H100 or a Kraken.

I personally wouldn't feel comfortable building a $4'000 pc build, as it will only last about 5-6 years.

[warmmilk]

Well if you like 16x AA (which a lot of websites use to fully push a card in benchmarks) then yea they do. In reality though the difference between 16x and even 4x isn't that noticeable, some people even prefer no AA. 

It's all down to his usage case, and I'm under the impression he isn't fully sure what he wants from his build (no point sinking money into something he isn't going to use), hence why I am asking and suggesting things.

I never play at 16x, I change the settings around and always go with the lowest aa I can for jaggies to go away. It usually ends up being 2x - 8x depending on the game