Iris Graphics

[EchoBlue]

I am very curious...

The Intel Iris a good graphics card in today or last year's thin laptop? 

Not looking to play it the ultra settings.

Please advise. 

Thanks guys. 

[Levent]

You can play most of the games with those which is more than what we could to with igpus 10 years ago. I would say they are good for integrated graphics but really not that great compared to dedicated graphics cards. What do plan on playing?

[EchoBlue]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

You can play most of the games with those which is more than what we could to with igpus 10 years ago. I would say they are good for integrated graphics but really not that great compared to dedicated graphics cards. What do plan on playing?

A bit of Blizzard Entertainment titles and arcade style video games. I am still looking around for a good thin laptop that can do all this and I noticed something good but has Iris gpu instead. Still thinking what to get. Budget is $1000 but I am willing to go a bit higher to $1500 only if it's worth it. I have seen a lot of appealing ones only to find that it bottlenecks like crazy or the fan is way too loud right out of the box. I don't mind loud fan noise but it is the type of noise where it sounds like an old gas car if you know what I mean. Very annoying sound. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, EchoBlue said:

A bit of Blizzard Entertainment titles and arcade style video games. I am still looking around for a good thin laptop that can do all this and I noticed something good but has Iris gpu instead. Still thinking what to get. Budget is $1000 but I am willing to go a bit higher to $1500 only if it's worth it. I have seen a lot of appealing ones only to find that it bottlenecks like crazy or the fan is way too loud right out of the box. I don't mind loud fan noise but it is the type of noise where it sounds like an old gas car if you know what I mean. Very annoying sound. 

what specific laptop models are you looking at?

 

Do you want it thin?

 

Id look at amd ryzen laptops aswell, they have a better igpu, but depends on model.

[EchoBlue]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

what specific laptop models are you looking at?

 

Do you want it thin?

 

Id look at amd ryzen laptops aswell, they have a better igpu, but depends on model.

I am going to be using the laptop for school but I would like to have the option to play games on the side. 

Since I will be traveling with it I do want it to be light so yes it has to be thin. 

Honestly I am super picky with brands but for some I am taking a risk. 

Looking at the Dell Inspiron 15 5000 the new one that has 10th Gen Intel Core i7. 

I don't like lenovo acer at all. I think that is all while I was looking around. 

Tried looking at msi and asus but they have too many to list I gave up and most were over the budget or bottleneck too much.

If you DO have recommendation please share it. 

Appreciate it. 

Thank you

[Jurrunio]

Eww... they're not tragic because they can at least play some esports titles at 1080p (CSGO, Dota 2 etc, not PUBG if that counts), but the only GPUs that are slower than Intel Iris is Intel HD/UHD Graphics, for the same priced and era laptops.  AMD has faster iGPUs, Nvidia sells faster dGPUs (btw iGPU means it's built into the CPU as the same piece of silicon, dGPU means separate as an independent chip), either or both can be found in laptops competing with the Intel Iris equipped products.

 

For $1000-1500 15" thin laptops, you can get something hugely better, seriously.

https://www.newegg.com/matte-black-msi-gs-series-gs65-8se-stealth-1402-gaming-entertainment/p/2WC-000C-00F25?Description=GS65 GTX1650&cm_re=GS65_GTX1650-_-2WC-000C-00F25-_-Product

 

unless it's not in USD, but some other currency that's worth a lot less.

[EchoBlue]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Eww... they're not tragic because they can at least play some esports titles at 1080p (CSGO, Dota 2 etc, not PUBG if that counts), but the only GPUs that are slower than Intel Iris is Intel HD/UHD Graphics, for the same priced and era laptops.  AMD has faster iGPUs, Nvidia sells faster dGPUs (btw iGPU means it's built into the CPU as the same piece of silicon, dGPU means separate as a independent chip), either or both can be found in laptops competing with the Intel Iris equipped products.

 

For $1000-1500 15" thin laptops, you can get something hugely better, seriously.

https://www.newegg.com/matte-black-msi-gs-series-gs65-8se-stealth-1402-gaming-entertainment/p/2WC-000C-00F25?Description=GS65 GTX1650&cm_re=GS65_GTX1650-_-2WC-000C-00F25-_-Product

 

unless it's not in USD, but some other currency that's worth a lot less.

It has an 8th Gen Intel cpu. Is it still good? 

[Jurrunio]

Just now, EchoBlue said:

It has an 8th Gen Intel cpu. Is it still good? 

8750H still smokes the 10710U, both 6 core but H means higher power draw, here 45W versus 25w max (some laptops only have it set to 15w) of the 10710U. Intel's basically repeating their architecture over and over again since Skylake (6th gen except for X299 platform which is in desktops) so being a newer generation doesn't make much difference.

[EchoBlue]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

8750H still smokes the 10710U, both 6 core but H means higher power draw, here 45W versus 25w max (some laptops only have it set to 15w) of the 10710U. Intel's basically repeating their architecture over and over again since Skylake (6th gen except for X299 platform which is in desktops) so being a newer generation doesn't make much difference.

The laptop you recommend is the MSI GS65 8SE Stealth? 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, EchoBlue said:

The laptop you recommend is the MSI GS65 8SE Stealth? 

Just an example, there's also the Gigabyte Aero 15(15X is newer) but I'm not the best in identifying different laptop models. These two are just models I know that can cool its insides, unlike say, the Dell XPS 15 with 8750H in it.

[EchoBlue]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Just an example, there's also the Gigabyte Aero 15(15X is newer) but I'm not the best in identifying different laptop models. These two are just models I know that can cool its insides, unlike say, the Dell XPS 15 with 8750H in it.

It's hard to take in the recommendation you made for me since I am in Canada and the sites/prices are in the USA. 

What do you think about this 

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-laptops/new-dell-g3-15-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/ni153590_sb_s09e 

[riklaunim]

34 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

A bit of Blizzard Entertainment titles and arcade style video games. I am still looking around for a good thin laptop that can do all this and I noticed something good but has Iris gpu instead. Still thinking what to get. Budget is $1000 but I am willing to go a bit higher to $1500 only if it's worth it.

Laptops, those ultraportable with MX250, MX150 will be superior to Intel iGPU. Ryzen 3000 mobile parts like R7 and R5 will be bit behind MX and each other. But that's sub $400-$500 bracket. At $1000-1500 you are at full blown gaming laptops.

 

4 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

What do you think about this 

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-laptops/new-dell-g3-15-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/ni153590_sb_s09e 

Check notebookcheck reviews. IMHO if you don't have to buy right now you may wait for the new laptops with AMD parts. Specs for that one look good.

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

It's hard to take in the recommendation you made for me since I am in Canada and the sites/prices are in the USA. 

What do you think about this 

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-laptops/new-dell-g3-15-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/ni153590_sb_s09e 

It's acceptable

just note that it is worse than the GS65 or Aero 15X, as its price may suggest

[EchoBlue]

3 minutes ago, riklaunim said:

Laptops, those ultraportable with MX250, MX150 will be superior to Intel iGPU. Ryzen 3000 mobile parts like R7 and R5 will be bit behind MX and each other. But that's sub $400-$500 bracket. At $1000-1500 you are at full blown gaming laptops.

 

Check notebookcheck reviews. IMHO if you don't have to buy right now you may wait for the new laptops with AMD parts. Specs for that one look good.

I had no idea. 

Thank you for the info. 

Yes I kinda do need it now... I do notice a lot of people are loving AMD over Intel. I thought Intel was the King when it came to computers. The table is turning? 

If I were to wait then how long would I have to wait? 

[EchoBlue]

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's acceptable

just note that it is worse than the GS65 or Aero 15X, as its price may suggest

Oh shoot this review made me not want to buy it... That's really hot... Although Dell is offering free trail of the machine so I can check for myself... 

Why is it so hard to find the right laptop for my need... 

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

That's really hot.

you cant judge laptops the same way as you do with desktops, laptops themselves are much worsened desktops for the sake of portability.

[EchoBlue]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

you cant judge laptops the same way as you do with desktops, laptops themselves are much worsened desktops for the sake of portability.

I think I would go with either these 2... 

Do you think it is worth the extra $? 

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-laptops/new-dell-g3-15-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/ni153590_sb_s09e

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/gaming-and-games/new-dell-g5-15-gaming/spd/g-series-15-5590-laptop/ni155590_sb_s7077e

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

I think I would go with either these 2... 

Do you think it is worth the extra $? 

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-laptops/new-dell-g3-15-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/ni153590_sb_s09e

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/gaming-and-games/new-dell-g5-15-gaming/spd/g-series-15-5590-laptop/ni155590_sb_s7077e

@genexis_x is much better than me in laptop model differences

[mr mans]

You can look up the specific model on videocarcbenchmark.net and compare to a physical GPU for relative performance

[EchoBlue]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

@genexis_x is much better than me in laptop model differences

I mean do you think it is worth paying the extra $ for RTX 2060 or should you stay with the GTX 1660 Ti with MAX-Q? 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, EchoBlue said:

I mean do you think it is worth paying the extra $ for RTX 2060 or should you stay with the GTX 1660 Ti with MAX-Q? 

RTX 2060's performance is definitely worth $200 extra overall than the 1660Ti MQ, but that doesn't make the whole laptop.

[EchoBlue]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

RTX 2060's performance is definitely worth $200 extra overall than the 1660Ti MQ, but that doesn't make the whole laptop.

It seems that is the difference between the two. Did I miss something?

4 minutes ago, vukos said:

You can look up the specific model on videocarcbenchmark.net and compare to a physical GPU for relative performance

I have no idea how to use this... What am I looking for?

[mr mans]

4 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

It seems that is the difference between the two. Did I miss something?

I have no idea how to use this... What am I looking for?

Here is an example, comparing the intel GPU inside the i9-9980HK and the older GTX 1050ti, a very budget GPU that can run games like Fortnite at 60 fps. 

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-UHD-630-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti/3826vs3595

 

As you can see, the Intel GPU is far slower. A better option for integrated GPUs would probably be the newer Ryzen U-series CPUs coming out soon. You will have to look for benchmarks though

[EchoBlue]

3 minutes ago, vukos said:

Here is an example, comparing the intel GPU inside the i9-9980HK and the older GTX 1050ti, a very budget GPU that can run games like Fortnite at 60 fps. 

 

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-UHD-630-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti/3826vs3595

 

As you can see, the Intel GPU is far slower. A better option for integrated GPUs would probably be the newer Ryzen U-series CPUs coming out soon. You will have to look for benchmarks though

Higher number means it is better but how do you know by how much? That's what I mean. What am I looking for with the numbers? 

[mr mans]

3 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

Higher number means it is better but how do you know by how much? That's what I mean. What am I looking for with the numbers? 

You would really have to take a look at other benchmarks for a specific GPU when comparing. So if you know that the 1050ti can run Fortnite at 60 fps at medium settings, then you can expect the Intel GPU to do probably around 20 fps or so. Basically, way less given the score comparison. So when you compare any two GPUs on that site, you can get a ballpark estimate this way.