looking for upgrade recommendations on 8700k/1080ti

[sinistercad]

First I just want to say high to all here!  Didn't realize there was a forum till I heard linus say it lol.  I hope my first post doesn't ruffle to many feathers as it's more opinion based than anything.  I'm looking for upgrade paths on my current build,  I mostly only do vr anymore and currently use a rift s but will be moving to a primax 5k soon.   The only real reasons for me to upgrade that I can see are, one I'm sort of an enthusiast, and two I have a friend that wants me to build him a budgetish 1440p gaming rig.  In the last year I've seen the tech moving at a huge pace and it seems about time for me to build something new as my system has a bit over two years on it now.  So question is what would you guys go with?  I'm planning on keeping my mobo and maybe my 1080ti as it seems only a small upgrade to go 2080ti,  and I have another founder's edition 1080 I could use in the upcoming build.  Im thinking a 9700k and possibly 2080ti? Or scrap it all and go team red? Thanks for any input!

 

Specs are as follows:

Asus z370 strix

8700k (clocked at 4.9)

EVGA 1080ti ftw sc2 hybrid (liquid cooled)

Corsair 2x8gb 3200

EVGA GQ gold 1000w power supply

Samsung evo 970 250+500gb nvme

Wd blue 2tb ssd

Corsair h115i cooler

Probably missed something...

[Mister Woof]

Equally clocked, the performance difference between an 8700k, 9700k, and 9900k are not really perceptible even on a 2080 ti.

 

As far as team red, it's generally worse on any of the Ryzen chips compared to an overclocked 8700k.

 

Spend your money elsewhere.

[vong]

10 minutes ago, sinistercad said:

 

I honestly think you have no reason to upgrade other than because you want to. If you want to upgrade then wait for next gen stuff.

[sinistercad]

This is honestly what I've been coming up against,  funny enough though I've seen tons of sheets from GN that state the 8700k lacks about 10+percent behind a 9700k and 17+ percent behind a 9900k... not sure in the real world like you said that actually matters though. 

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, sinistercad said:

This is honestly what I've been coming up against,  funny enough though I've seen tons of sheets from GN that state the 8700k lacks about 10+percent behind a 9700k and 17+ percent behind a 9900k... not sure in the real world like you said that actually matters though. 

Check the graphs. Most of them list a stock 8700k. Even the ones that are 5.x GHz, the difference generally is like sub 5%.

 

Even so, we are talking with a 2080 ti (which you don't have) and generally the numbers are already past the point of perception (230fps vs 250fps).

 

Only reason to upgrade would be core/thread limitations, which for gaming hasn't happened with 6/12 YET.

[sinistercad]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Check the graphs. Most of them list a stock 8700k. Even the ones that are 5.x GHz, the difference generally is like sub 5%.

Just looked at your personal build and damn if it isn't nearly identical to my build lol.  I was running a 5.2 oc on my 8700k (it is delid and liquid metal) but just couldn't keep it under 80c after some long gaming sessions. 

[Mister Woof]

I can do 5.1 stable-ish at 1.42v, but it's not worth it. Didn't win the lottery but didn't lose either.

 

Here's some graphs showing a 5ghz 8700k vs a stock 9900k and a 5.2ghz 9900k

 

 

They are equal at 5ghz vs stock, and the 5.2ghz 9900k is only 4.5% faster. Part of that is the 200mhz frequency advantage.

 

Here's the worst case scenario between the two:

 

There's a more significant difference here, lows in particular. However, the question is: is that worth $700? 

 

 

Also, in the same game, when you become GPU limited the difference goes away almost completely. Reality is you are not playing any games on medium. So even these results are much less pronounced in high detail settings.

 

The 1080p medium setting data has some value, like potentially predicting future gpu scalability. But...that isn't an issue here since you already have the 8700k. If you get a new GPU later and the 8700k is too slow... Upgrade then.

 

 

13 minutes ago, sinistercad said:

Just looked at your personal build and damn if it isn't nearly identical to my build lol.  I was running a 5.2 oc on my 8700k (it is delid and liquid metal) but just couldn't keep it under 80c after some long gaming sessions. 

 

[Constantin]

So i have this computer one year now, i never OC'd it except Intel Turbo Boost and Multicore Enhancement. 

That gave 4.9Ghz to all cores.

Today i decided to OC it, i stoped at 5.1Ghz without touching any other settings (voltage ect...) all on auto.

I run a few benchmarks and the Vcore never went higher than 1.280v.

Is this normal?

If i set it higher like ~ 1.3v ich, wil i gain anything? 

 

EDIT: temp didn't go higher than 72c on all benchmarks i did.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Constantin said:

So i have this computer one year now, i never OC'd it except Intel Turbo Boost and Multicore Enhancement. 

That gave 4.9Ghz to all cores.

Today i decided to OC it, i stoped at 5.1Ghz without touching any other settings (voltage ect...) all on auto.

I run a few benchmarks and the Vcore never went higher than 1.280v.

Is this normal?

If i set it higher like ~ 1.3v ich, wil i gain anything? 

 

EDIT: temp didn't go higher than 72c on all benchmarks i did.

If it's stable (a few cinebench runs isn't imo, need stress testing) then it's fine. You won't gain more from more voltage just heat.

 

Likely you will need more though once you start stressing it.

[DarkSmith2]

2 hours ago, sinistercad said:

First I just want to say high to all here!  Didn't realize there was a forum till I heard linus say it lol.  I hope my first post doesn't ruffle to many feathers as it's more opinion based than anything.  I'm looking for upgrade paths on my current build,  I mostly only do vr anymore and currently use a rift s but will be moving to a primax 5k soon.   The only real reasons for me to upgrade that I can see are, one I'm sort of an enthusiast, and two I have a friend that wants me to build him a budgetish 1440p gaming rig.  In the last year I've seen the tech moving at a huge pace and it seems about time for me to build something new as my system has a bit over two years on it now.  So question is what would you guys go with?  I'm planning on keeping my mobo and maybe my 1080ti as it seems only a small upgrade to go 2080ti,  and I have another founder's edition 1080 I could use in the upcoming build.  Im thinking a 9700k and possibly 2080ti? Or scrap it all and go team red? Thanks for any input!

 

Specs are as follows:

Asus z370 strix

8700k (clocked at 4.9)

EVGA 1080ti ftw sc2 hybrid (liquid cooled)

Corsair 2x8gb 3200

EVGA GQ gold 1000w power supply

Samsung evo 970 250+500gb nvme

Wd blue 2tb ssd

Corsair h115i cooler

Probably missed something...

i would only upgrade from this if i would be really sad with the silicon lottery or quality of board/RAM.

You could have gottn more out of it with a decent RAMkit and OC Motherboard like the Apex XI, GENE XI or EVGA Dark. Ofc it would had been alot of work to do.. but would be more beneficial than upgrading from a 8700k to a 9900k on that crap board/ram. I also think to switch the 1080ti out for a 2080ti would yield a higher performance boost.

 

This is AVX stable 24/7 OC.

So if you have Money to burn wait until the CES in January is over and maybe consider upgrading to Intel's next gen CPUs which could infact be paperlaunched or atleast previewed at CES. All z390's are already OOP. In a couple of Month you'll probably be able get a little faster 8c/16t Intel Desktop CPU for cheaper than now.

[xg32]

2 hours ago, sinistercad said:

First I just want to say high to all here!  Didn't realize there was a forum till I heard linus say it lol.  I hope my first post doesn't ruffle to many feathers as it's more opinion based than anything.  I'm looking for upgrade paths on my current build,  I mostly only do vr anymore and currently use a rift s but will be moving to a primax 5k soon.   The only real reasons for me to upgrade that I can see are, one I'm sort of an enthusiast, and two I have a friend that wants me to build him a budgetish 1440p gaming rig.  In the last year I've seen the tech moving at a huge pace and it seems about time for me to build something new as my system has a bit over two years on it now.  So question is what would you guys go with?  I'm planning on keeping my mobo and maybe my 1080ti as it seems only a small upgrade to go 2080ti,  and I have another founder's edition 1080 I could use in the upcoming build.  Im thinking a 9700k and possibly 2080ti? Or scrap it all and go team red? Thanks for any input!

 

Specs are as follows:

Asus z370 strix

8700k (clocked at 4.9)

EVGA 1080ti ftw sc2 hybrid (liquid cooled)

Corsair 2x8gb 3200

EVGA GQ gold 1000w power supply

Samsung evo 970 250+500gb nvme

Wd blue 2tb ssd

Corsair h115i cooler

Probably missed something...

one of my friend is sitting on the exact setup even down to the gpu model , he's waiting for next gen nvidia card with a 3950x for some programming work, even if you are looking at a gpu upgrade. (the 1080 ti is a bit lacking in 4k hdr and VR, so i get it)