Final build! - Thoughts?

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38 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3900x

 

@boggy77 @Juular

I see what you're saying thanks for the links, I'm just wondering why did amd bother to limit the system memory section to 2 channels and 3200 mem speed 

That is just the JEDEC standard speed. It is rated up to 3200MHz but a lot of motherboards will support way past that speed, but it is classed as overclocked. The Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master for example supports DDR4 4400MHz with a 3000 series cpu.

 

Pretty easy to overclock ram anyway so you don't have to buy 3600.

[boggy77]

17 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Pretty easy to overclock ram anyway so you don't have to buy 3600.

That's not how it works. If a kit is rated for 3000 c16, you won't be able to overclock it to 3600 c16 whatever you do.

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9 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

That's not how it works. If a kit is rated for 3000 c16, you won't be able to overclock it to 3600 c16 whatever you do.

Depends on the Ram. Get something like the Crucial Ballistix Sport LT and you can easily get 3600 CL16.

[wittydavid]

47 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

That is just the JEDEC standard speed. It is rated up to 3200MHz but a lot of motherboards will support way past that speed, but it is classed as overclocked. The Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master for example supports DDR4 4400MHz with a 3000 series cpu.

 

Pretty easy to overclock ram anyway so you don't have to buy 3600.

Interesting. So technically speaking the stock (> 3200MHz) memory is considered to be "overclocked", Even though that's their stock clock speed? Because they're higher then the JEDEC standard speed?
Does that mean that the AMD warranty is up to 3200MHz and going above that will void the warranty or something like that?

[boggy77]

7 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Interesting. So technically speaking the stock (> 3200MHz) memory is considered to be "overclocked", Even though that's their stock clock speed? Because they're higher then the JEDEC standard speed?
Does that mean that the AMD warranty is up to 3200MHz and going above that will void the warranty or something like that?

it doesn't void the warranty, but they warn you that if it breaks because of overclocking it's your fault.

[wittydavid]

6 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

it doesn't void the warranty, but they warn you that if it breaks because of overclocking it's your fault.

But isn't anything above 3200 is technically "overclocked"?

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, wittydavid said:

But isn't anything above 3200 is technically "overclocked"?

yes, but it's the ram that is overclocked, not the cpu. so it has nothing to do with amd. you ca't really break your cpu/motherboard by overclocking the ram.

[wittydavid]

8 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

yes, but it's the ram that is overclocked, not the cpu. so it has nothing to do with amd. you ca't really break your cpu/motherboard by overclocking the ram.

Ohhh so you said ->

16 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

it doesn't void the warranty, but they warn you that if it breaks because of overclocking it's your fault.

 you meant overclocking the cpu, not the ram...

and they mentioned the 3200 MHz 2 channel memory "limit" strickly due to JEDEC standard, did I understand you correctly now?

 

[Sorenson]

3 hours ago, Juular said:

It depends on the size of data you're writing, almost full Intel 660p will write about 4GB until it'll slow down to 100 MB\s, i think that pretty much qualifies as "slower than HDD speeds", which was the point of poster you were answering to.

Again I mentioned the slow write speeds in both of my comments. And the person I was responding to just said “it’s slower than an HDD”  with no qualifications which is untrue. The 660p is a great drive to store things, like video games, where you write once and read many times. That use is the only thing I have recommended it for. 

[Juular]

1 minute ago, Sorenson said:

And the person I was responding to just said “it’s slower than an HDD” with no qualifications which is untrue.

Will this qualification be enough ?

19 hours ago, Juular said:

80% full drive :

And OS becomes REALLY unresponsive at that. That SSD is my regret of the year, i've seriously considered to replace it several times already, just can't justify it, i really don't move files that big often, but buying it new when there's way better options for the same price is a different case.

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1 hour ago, wittydavid said:

Interesting. So technically speaking the stock (> 3200MHz) memory is considered to be "overclocked", Even though that's their stock clock speed? Because they're higher then the JEDEC standard speed?
Does that mean that the AMD warranty is up to 3200MHz and going above that will void the warranty or something like that?

With a Ryzen 3000 cpu anything above 3200 is considered to be overclocked. So if you bought a 3600 kit that is basically factory overclocked and should run at that speed with xmp enabled. Of course if you bought a 3200 kit and overclock that you could in theory void your warranty, but you would have to do something really stupid like putting too many volts through it. The warranty on the ram wouldn't be with AMD it would be with the ram manufacturer/brand i.e Corsair, G.Skill or Crucial etc.

 

If you do it correctly using Ryzen Dram Calculator then that gives you all the settings to enter in the bios.

 

The video below gives you the general idea on overclocking ram.

 

 

[wittydavid]

Sorry for bugging with so many questions but I have a couple more...

 

1. Should I go for a 750 watt or stick with a 650?

2. Pcpartpicker gave me this note -

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The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the Corsair RMi 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

I tried to swap the psu to a rm750i and the rm650x and it didn't help.

Finally the only psu that made the message disappear was the rm750x which does seem to have more connections.
This motherboard does have a 24 pin connector and an addition of a 4 pin and an 8 pin connections Do I need to populate all of them?

Here's the manual reference

 

In the meanwhile i'll try to figure out all the connectors that I need for the parts I chose and see if the don't actually fit on an RMi psu

[wittydavid]

22 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Sorry for bugging with so many questions but I have a couple more...

 

1. Should I go for a 750 watt or stick with a 650?

2. Pcpartpicker gave me this note -

I tried to swap the psu to a rm750i and the rm650x and it didn't help.

Finally the only psu that made the message disappear was the rm750x which does seem to have more connections.
This motherboard does have a 24 pin connector and an addition of a 4 pin and an 8 pin connections Do I need to populate all of them?

Here's the manual reference

 

In the meanwhile i'll try to figure out all the connectors that I need for the parts I chose and see if the don't actually fit on an RMi psu

Also this -

 

on one hand in the diagram It says in step B to connect 8 pin OR 4 pin, yet the comment says to connect the 8 pin. So ...... when do I need the 4 pin?!

 

@Juular @lee32uk @boggy77

you are mostly appreciated!!

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by wittydavid

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You don't need to worry about the additional 4/8 pin cpu. As long as you have 1 x 8 pin and the 24 pin then you are fine. You would only need both 8 pin for extreme overclocking such as LN2.

 

A 650W will be fine.

[Juular]

31 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Should I go for a 750 watt or stick with a 650?

Even 550W would be enough for this build,.

31 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

Pcpartpicker gave me this note 

That additional ESP connector would make a difference only with extreme OC, like under LN2, it should work without it just fine.

But if you really want to get rid of that notice then get Deepcool DQ-M, it's the same platform used as in Bitfenix Whisper, top tier multi-rail unit despite the brand name:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/38w7YJ/deepcool-gamerstorm-dq-m-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-dq850-m

Or single-rail unit but from more respectable brand, Seasonic Focus GX :

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfFf7/seasonic-focus-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-gx-650

[wittydavid]

8 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

You don't need to worry about the additional 4/8 pin cpu. As long as you have 1 x 8 pin and the 24 pin then you are fine. You would only need both 8 pin for extreme overclocking such as LN2.

 

A 650W will be fine.

did you mean 

You would only need both 8 pin *and the 4 pin ... for extreme overclocking such as LN2?

 

So I can go for the rm650i safely in spite of the message pcparkpicker wrote?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, wittydavid said:

did you mean 

You would only need both 8 pin *and the 4 pin ... for extreme overclocking such as LN2?

 

So I can go for the rm650i safely in spite of the message pcparkpicker wrote?

Yeah sorry just noticed that Asus board is a 4 pin and 8 pin. So just connect the 8 pin cpu and the main 24 pin ATX and you are good to go.

 

The RMi 650W will do nicely.

[wittydavid]

8 minutes ago, Juular said:

Even 550W would be enough for this build,.

That additional ESP connector would make a difference only with extreme OC, like under LN2, it should work without it just fine.

But if you really want to get rid of that notice then get Deepcool DQ-M, it's the same platform used as in Bitfenix Whisper, top tier multi-rail unit despite the brand name:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/38w7YJ/deepcool-gamerstorm-dq-m-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-dq850-m

Or single-rail unit but from more respectable brand, Seasonic Focus GX :

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfFf7/seasonic-focus-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-gx-650

By the "additional ESP connector" do you mean the eatx12v_2 4-pin connector?

[Sorenson]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

Will this qualification be enough ?

No it won't because you again ignore 90% of what i'm saying to win an argument I wasn't making. Also file transfer speed depends on what you are moving. If i'm transferring a game that has thousands of small textures or one that has been heavily modded it will take forever to transfer no matter what SSD i'm doing it from. 

 

But to prove that the point you're making is wrong, I copied the 15gb file for Sekiro from my 660p -> my 960  evo and it was transferred in under 20 seconds. I then copied the same file back onto the 660p and it was done in under 20 seconds. Find me a hard drive that can do that.

 

You should check that your CPU isn't bottle-necking your SSD transfer speed and that your 660p is properly cooled. 

[Juular]

55 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

 I then copied the same file back onto the 660p and it was done in under 20 seconds. Find me a hard drive that can do that.

Again, it depends on how full your drive are, if it's half empty then sure, you wouldn't notice these 100MB\s write speeds.

I'm not going to argue with you further. Intel 660p is a bad value when it costs the same as much faster TLC drives. QLC were supposed to be price-effective solution but as of yet, SSD manufacturers (Intel, Crucial, Samsung) just milk ignorant consumers offering worse product for the same price. Make 2\3TB QLC drive for 100$ and it will indeed for it's purpose, bulk storage capable of competing with HDDs for the price\GB, until then they're useless.

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8702/intel-ssd-660p-review-consumer-qlc-debut/index2.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9023/team-group-mp34-phison-e12-powered-nvme-ssd-review/index2.html

[Sorenson]

11 hours ago, Juular said:

Again, it depends on how full your drive are, if it's half empty then sure, you wouldn't notice these 100MB\s write speeds.

I'm not going to argue with you further. Intel 660p is a bad value when it costs the same as much faster TLC drives. QLC were supposed to be price-effective solution but as of yet, SSD manufacturers (Intel, Crucial, Samsung) just milk ignorant consumers offering worse product for the same price. Make 2\3TB QLC drive for 100$ and it will indeed for it's purpose, bulk storage capable of competing with HDDs for the price\GB, until then they're useless.

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8702/intel-ssd-660p-review-consumer-qlc-debut/index2.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9023/team-group-mp34-phison-e12-powered-nvme-ssd-review/index2.html

I’m 70% full. Again wasn’t saying it’s a great SSD. Again only argued it’s faster than a HDD. I’m glad you’re done arguing with yourself though