e5-2667v2 bottleneck?

[artavasdes]

46 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

Afaik Windows 10 Home is 1 cpu only, so it's possible you can't make use of cpu1 anyway, unless going 1 step higher in version (or switch the OS).

Next, lga2011 does support dual and quadchannel for sure, but maybe triple channel will need a different setup where you need C1 populated, I guess. So populating D1 could have an adverse effect on speed.

 

That sounds like a good idea to remove the DIMM on D1, I will try that and see if I get a performance difference. I am not sure about the OS thing, in the LTT video and the other video, they use windows and they do not experience the same performance loss I am getting. Is there a way to take advantage of the other cores, but I dont think that is my problem because of the other benchmarks I am comparing to are ran on windows.

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, artavasdes said:

In the LTT video I replied to you with, there is a 6% difference in games between the 3rd gen ryzen cpu and the two xeons I have.

I'm at work, haven't had time to watch the whole video yet. You ran the exact same games on the same setup and got drastically less fps? 

[artavasdes]

37 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

Tbh, I didn't really expect the answer 'Yes, I'm using W10 home'. So, disabling cores doesn't help you for games but it is a very potent machine nonetheless. Lower IPC can't explain the behaviour on these. Someone just has to lift the brakes.

Getting cpu0 to use quad-channel will definitely help, cpu1 may have reduced dual channel access.

 

I had tried with one stick of ram in DIMMA1 and I got no performance difference, which DIMMs should I populate while testing, any recommendations.

[artavasdes]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm at work, haven't had time to watch the whole video yet. You ran the exact same games on the same setup and got drastically less fps? 

I didn't run the same exact games, but on all games I run, I get a 50% loss in performance. The games I use are rainbow six siege, division 2, and ghost recon breakpoint. The setup is not the same, the motherboard is an x9dri-f and I have slightly faster ram than Linus, I have 1866 mhz 16gb ecc, in total I got 90gb ram

[Sir0Tek]

Windows 10 is not equal to Windows 10... You're using W10 Home Edition which has is restricted in the number of supported cpus to 1. You'll need at least W10 Pro to make use of both of your cpus.

I am unable to see which distinct version of W10 LTT is using in the video but I have doubts he'd use anything below Pro. While holding a wet finger into the wind I'd assume it's W10 Enterprise Edition.

Can you see if memtest86 or any other tool is able to determine wether you're using dual-channel or not?

[artavasdes]

5 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

Windows 10 is not equal to Windows 10... You're using W10 Home Edition which has a restriction on the number of supported cpus. You'll need at least W10 Pro to make use of both of your cpus.

I am unable to see which distinct version of W10 LTT is using in the video but I have doubts he'd use anything below Pro. While holding a wet finger into the wind I'd assume it's W10 Enterprise Edition.

So that explains Windows 10 not recognizing the second and all that crap, guess I gotta go buy a copy of windows 10 pro. I guess I am going to upgrade to windows 10 pro.

[Sir0Tek]

3 minutes ago, artavasdes said:

So that explains Windows 10 not recognizing the second and all that crap, guess I gotta go buy a copy of windows 10 pro. Is there a way to keep all your current files and install windows 10 pro?

Don't you just need a specific key to upgrade your W10? I'm not that familiar with Windows as I have successfully banned it from any machine in my environment - not only due to such restrictions you are actually facing.

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, artavasdes said:

I didn't run the same exact games, but on all games I run, I get a 50% loss in performance. The games I use are rainbow six siege, division 2, and ghost recon breakpoint. The setup is not the same, the motherboard is an x9dri-f and I have slightly faster ram than Linus, I have 1866 mhz 16gb ecc, in total I got 90gb ram

How do you know you are getting a 50% loss in performance vs Linus if you cannot compare the same games? 

For something like R6S, that's not hard on the GPU, which makes the slower CPUs the bottleneck. Division 2 isn't really too hard on the GPU either IIRC, but I haven't ran that in a while. It's a well optimized title though, especially running on an RVII, it was basically a "launch title" for that GPU. If Breakpoint is anything like Wildlands then it's hurting both the GPU and the CPU. And you've got slower CPUs so those become the bottleneck. 

TL;DR: going for high refresh rates on this hardware is a bad idea. 75hz, maybe 100Hz would be a much better option. Or just running 100+ fps on a high refresh monitor. Back when I ran 144Hz I only actually got 120fps or so average, up to 130, but eh not really noticeable, once you're above 120 or so it's extremely hard to notice tears, even for people with access to much higher refresh monitors. 

 

Also basically this:

6 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

Windows 10 is not equal to Windows 10... You're using W10 Home Edition which has a restriction on the number of supported cpus. You'll need at least W10 Pro to make use of both of your cpus.

I am unable to see which distinct version of W10 LTT is using in the video but I have doubts he'd use anything below Pro. While holding a wet finger into the wind I'd assume it's W10 Enterprise Edition.

 

4 minutes ago, artavasdes said:

So that explains Windows 10 not recognizing the second and all that crap, guess I gotta go buy a copy of windows 10 pro. Is there a way to keep all your current files and install windows 10 pro?

Yep. Get a Windows 10 Pro key for like $7 off eBay, so far has worked out for me. Then:

Settings -> Update & Security -> Activation -> Change Product key -> enter the key, slap next. Windows will go "hold up this is a W10 Pro key, lemme do some shit", then download stuff it needs to and update the PC, similar to running a normal windows 10 update. Shouldn't lose any files or apps unless windows decides to go fucky (again, same as with normal windows updates). 

[artavasdes]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

How do you know you are getting a 50% loss in performance vs Linus if you cannot compare the same games? 

For something like R6S, that's not hard on the GPU, which makes the slower CPUs the bottleneck. Division 2 isn't really too hard on the GPU either IIRC, but I haven't ran that in a while. It's a well optimized title though, especially running on an RVII, it was basically a "launch title" for that GPU. If Breakpoint is anything like Wildlands then it's hurting both the GPU and the CPU. And you've got slower CPUs so those become the bottleneck. 

TL;DR: going for high refresh rates on this hardware is a bad idea. 75hz, maybe 100Hz would be a much better option. Or just running 100+ fps on a high refresh monitor. Back when I ran 144Hz I only actually got 120fps or so average, up to 130, but eh not really noticeable, once you're above 120 or so it's extremely hard to notice tears, even for people with access to much higher refresh monitors. 

 

Also basically this:

 

Yep. Get a Windows 10 Pro key for like $7 off eBay, so far has worked out for me. Then:

Settings -> Update & Security -> Activation -> Change Product key -> enter the key, slap next. Windows will go "hold up this is a W10 Pro key, lemme do some shit", then download stuff it needs to and update the PC, similar to running a normal windows 10 update. Shouldn't lose any files or apps unless windows decides to go fucky (again, same as with normal windows updates). 

Thanks, I will make sure to upgrade using one of those ebay keys. Regarding benchmarks, even though I was not using the same game to compare, I was comparing whether Linus was getting a performance loss which he wasn't. With the other video in the first post, I was able to compare the games I was running to what was benchmarked and yes I was getting a 50% performance loss.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, artavasdes said:

Thanks, I will make sure to upgrade using one of those ebay keys. Regarding benchmarks, even though I was not using the same game to compare, I was comparing whether Linus was getting a performance loss which he wasn't. With the other video in the first post, I was able to compare the games I was running to what was benchmarked and yes I was getting a 50% performance loss.

Sure there's no locks in place and your monitor is running at it's full refresh rate, or at least one above 60Hz? 

[artavasdes]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Sure there's no locks in place and your monitor is running at it's full refresh rate, or at least one above 60Hz? 

I got a 240 hz monitor. I am going to get one of those windows 10 pro product keys and upgrade. I will say if there is any difference in performance. If there isn't, I am going to try swapping the cpus and changing memory configuration. @Zando Bob and @Sir0Tek I am really thankful for the stuff regarding windows 10 pro.

[Zando_]

Just now, artavasdes said:

I got a 240 hz monitor.

And...

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Sure there's no locks in place and your monitor is running at it's full refresh rate... ?

 

[artavasdes]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

And...

 

Oh yeah, it is running at its full refresh rate.

[Zando_]

Just now, artavasdes said:

Oh yeah, it is running at its full refresh rate.

Aight. 'Cause IIRC last time I used my 144Hz monitor, my RVII defaulted to running it at 60Hz because AMD reasons. Very funky that you'd be getting 60fps though, that's exactly a common refresh and frame lock count. 

Also, sure your RVII is running properly? Mine acts a little funkier because it's on water but still boosts based on fan speed (there aren't any fans though). If I leave the (non-existent) fan at 0rpm, it won't go much above 1600Mhz. If I turn it up then it boosts properly.  Just one of the goofy things I've observed with the card, so probably best to keep and eye on yours and make sure it's not being wack. AMD's driver game for the RVII so far is.... extremely subpar. 2019 drivers from back around February/March/April were decent, newer stuff hasn't ran well on mine. And 2020 is eeeeeh naaaah not good at all. 

[artavasdes]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Aight. 'Cause IIRC last time I used my 144Hz monitor, my RVII defaulted to running it at 60Hz because AMD reasons. Very funky that you'd be getting 60fps though, that's exactly a common refresh and frame lock count. 

Also, sure your RVII is running properly? Mine acts a little funkier because it's on water but still boosts based on fan speed (there aren't any fans though). If I leave the (non-existent) fan at 0rpm, it won't go much above 1600Mhz. If I turn it up then it boosts properly.  Just one of the goofy things I've observed with the card, so probably best to keep and eye on yours and make sure it's not being wack. AMD's driver game for the RVII so far is.... extremely subpar. 2019 drivers from back around February/March/April were decent, newer stuff hasn't ran well on mine. And 2020 is eeeeeh naaaah not good at all. 

I never encountered the issue of a 60 FPS lock. I tried upgrading to the newest driver, but my pc froze. I used MSI afterburner to overclock and all that, it boosts fine.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, artavasdes said:

I never encountered the issue of a 60 FPS lock. I tried upgrading to the newest driver, but my pc froze. I used MSI afterburner to overclock and all that, it boosts fine.

Observed boost in-game using the overlay or HWiNFO? I can my RVII can be at the stock 1800Mhz and actually be running 1600Mhz in game because uh, it just be like that sometimes. 

I assume you made sure to do a clean install of drivers after the freeze to make sure nothing was wrong on that front? 

Disabled triple buffering and v-sync both in-game and in Radeon Settings, and confirmed radeon chill and such are turned off? 

[artavasdes]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Observed boost in-game using the overlay or HWiNFO? I can my RVII can be at the stock 1800Mhz and actually be running 1600Mhz in game because uh, it just be like that sometimes. 

I assume you made sure to do a clean install of drivers after the freeze to make sure nothing was wrong on that front? 

Disabled triple buffering and v-sync both in-game and in Radeon Settings, and confirmed radeon chill and such are turned off? 

I will check out the boost using the overlay while in game. I did not do a clean install, should I just use display driver uninstaller and install it again? I do not have vsync in game enabled, but I will turn it off via radeon settings if I have it enabled (from where should I disable it and triple buffering in the settings?) I don't think I have triple buffering in game either.

[Zando_]

Just now, artavasdes said:

I will check out the boost using the overlay while in game. I did not do a clean install, should I just use display driver uninstaller and install it again? I do not have vsync in game enabled, but I will turn it off via radeon settings if I have it enabled (from where should I disable it and triple buffering in the settings?) I don't think I have triple buffering in game either.

I'll grab screencaps when I get home, should be under graphics settings IIRC, but I've bounced between 2019 and 2020 a few times while getting my rig setup so I'm not 100% clear lol. 

And yes, DDU would be the best. If it crashed during install then eeeeh I wouldn't trust the files to be in good order. V-Sync can sometimes be set to override games in Radeon Settings, so yep you have to confirm it's off there too. 

[artavasdes]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

I'll grab screencaps when I get home, should be under graphics settings IIRC, but I've bounced between 2019 and 2020 a few times while getting my rig setup so I'm not 100% clear lol. 

And yes, DDU would be the best. If it crashed during install then eeeeh I wouldn't trust the files to be in good order. V-Sync can sometimes be set to override games in Radeon Settings, so yep you have to confirm it's off there too. 

Yeah, I will make sure to do all this once I get windows 10 pro installed.

[Eigenvektor]

So I wonder, since Windows 10 Home only supports one CPU, if that CPU happens to be the one with the bad memory channel, that might explain why you're seeing worse performance. Once you have all cores available, it'll be interesting to see if that already fixes the issue. If not, before you swap CPUs, maybe you could try assigning games to specific cores again, since you should now be able to choose cores from either CPU. Maybe simply limiting to cores from the "good" CPU will help in that case.

[artavasdes]

4 hours ago, Eigenvektor said:

So I wonder, since Windows 10 Home only supports one CPU, if that CPU happens to be the one with the bad memory channel, that might explain why you're seeing worse performance. Once you have all cores available, it'll be interesting to see if that already fixes the issue. If not, before you swap CPUs, maybe you could try assigning games to specific cores again, since you should now be able to choose cores from either CPU. Maybe simply limiting to cores from the "good" CPU will help in that case.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I'll be quite happy if it fixes the problem. If I don't see a performance difference with two cpus, like what you are saying setting cpu affinity is a good idea.

[mr mans]

Yikes so it was windows 10 home that was the problem all along. I'm just wondering: have you ever looked at Task Manager? It should show 32 CPU cores (with hyperthreading enabled) as each CPU has two threads. I suspect on Windows 10 Home it would only show 16 cores, which should have been a dead giveaway.

 

This is most likely the issue to all your problems. Barring that, I was beginning to suspect the Radeon VII, only because Steve from gamer's nexus went on a huge rant in one of his recent videos about how broken of a product it still is

[artavasdes]

7 hours ago, vukos said:

Yikes so it was windows 10 home that was the problem all along. I'm just wondering: have you ever looked at Task Manager? It should show 32 CPU cores (with hyperthreading enabled) as each CPU has two threads. I suspect on Windows 10 Home it would only show 16 cores, which should have been a dead giveaway.

 

This is most likely the issue to all your problems. Barring that, I was beginning to suspect the Radeon VII, only because Steve from gamer's nexus went on a huge rant in one of his recent videos about how broken of a product it still is

I haven't encountered much problems with radeon vii. For me it has been a good gpu. Yeah, task manager said there were 8 cores instead of 16. I thought it was just some stupid windows thing that the second socket cores were not shown. This weekend I am going to install windows 10 pro and see if it fixes the issue.

[artavasdes]

@vukos @Eigenvektor @Zando Bob @Sir0Tek I have installed windows 10 pro and there is no performance difference in games what so ever. Task manager detects 16 cores now instead of 8 which is good. One cinebench r15, I got a score of 1972 (which I think is worse than Linus's) this may be due to the memory configuration. I am going to mess around with the memory configuration and gpu drivers/settings and see if anything happens.

[mr mans]

3 hours ago, artavasdes said:

@vukos @Eigenvektor @Zando Bob @Sir0Tek I have installed windows 10 pro and there is no performance difference in games what so ever. Task manager detects 16 cores now instead of 8 which is good. One cinebench r15, I got a score of 1972 (which I think is worse than Linus's) this may be due to the memory configuration. I am going to mess around with the memory configuration and gpu drivers/settings and see if anything happens.

Remember to turn hyperthreading back on. If I recall correctly you had turned it off