i9-9900k Stable voltage while playing games?

[MadLover]

Hello. I briefly summarize my question and write my information.

 

i9-9900k 5ghz

4.5ghz cache
1.330 Vcore (1.323 to 1.314 idle)
4000mhz memory (17-17-17-37)
AVX: 0
LLC: 7

AIO H115i watercooler
Coolant water temperature: 30c (idle 26c)

Cpu power (in game) Maks: 191.810 W

Maximum Xi Hero motherboard

 

Note: Everything that will save energy is off. speedstep etc.

 

I keep track of voltage while playing games. Voltage fluctuates.
It's okay to drop some amount in the game. But it's constantly changing. How do I fix the voltage when playing games?
The modern warfare values the call of duty. (picture)

 

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, MadLover said:

It's okay to drop some amount in the game.

or rather, it should drop some amount under load compared to idle. Otherwise you're using too much LLC
 

12 minutes ago, MadLover said:

But it's constantly changing. How do I fix the voltage when playing games?

That's normal, it's load dependent. VRMs don't work like battery cells, they don't give an exactly flat voltage.

 

13 minutes ago, MadLover said:

4.5ghz cache

This is a bit low for 5GHz core

[MadLover]

32 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

or rather, it should drop some amount under load compared to idle. Otherwise you're using too much LLC
 

That's normal, it's load dependent. VRMs don't work like battery cells, they don't give an exactly flat voltage.

 

This is a bit low for 5GHz core

recommended -3. cache 47
How many maxsimum?
49-48 ?

 

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ok freezes when I do 48.
47 is good. what about Ring Down enable or disable?

[Jurrunio]

39 minutes ago, MadLover said:

recommended -3. cache 47
How many maxsimum?
49-48 ?

-3 is a good setting for general purpose

[Falkentyne]

1 hour ago, MadLover said:

Hello. I briefly summarize my question and write my information.

 

i9-9900k 5ghz

4.5ghz cache
1.330 Vcore (1.323 to 1.314 idle)
4000mhz memory (17-17-17-37)
AVX: 0
LLC: 7

AIO H115i watercooler
Coolant water temperature: 30c (idle 26c)

Cpu power (in game) Maks: 191.810 W

Maximum Xi Hero motherboard

 

Note: Everything that will save energy is off. speedstep etc.

 

I keep track of voltage while playing games. Voltage fluctuates.
It's okay to drop some amount in the game. But it's constantly changing. How do I fix the voltage when playing games?
The modern warfare values the call of duty. (picture)

 

LLC7 should be avoided at ALL Costs.

 

Even on the Maximus XI Gene, which has a better VRM than your Hero/Formula, etc, Buildzoid recommends LLC5 with a higher BIOS set voltage as this gives best transient response (improves minimums that happen below vcore sensor readings (requires oscilloscope to see)).

 

 

Pay VERY close attention to the "AVERAGE" to "MINIMUM" differences between LLC7 and LLC5 on the Prime95 16K tests.

You can see a HUGE difference.

You can use the Gene results as reference even though the Gene will have better results than the lower end boards (Gene and Xtreme should have same VRM, only Apex exceeds them).

 

The absolute minimum drop "below the average" is what determines your stability.

[MadLover]

15 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

LLC7, TÜM Maliyetlerde kaçınılmalıdır.

 

Hero / Formula'nızdan daha iyi bir VRM'ye sahip olan Maximus XI Gene'de bile Buildzoid, LLC5'i en iyi geçici yanıt verdiğinden daha yüksek BIOS ayar voltajı ile önerir (vcore sensör okumalarının altında gerçekleşen minimum değerleri iyileştirir (görmek için osiloskop gerektirir)) ).

 

 

Prime95 16K testlerinde LLC7 ile LLC5 arasındaki "ORTALAMA" ile "MINİMUM" arasındaki farklılıklara ÇOK dikkat gösterin.

BÜYÜK bir fark görebilirsiniz.

Gene alt uç panellerden daha iyi sonuçlara sahip olsa bile, Gene sonuçlarını referans olarak kullanabilirsiniz (Gene ve Xtreme aynı VRM'ye sahip olmalı, sadece Apex bunları aşıyor).

 

"Ortalamanın altındaki" mutlak minimum düşüş, istikrarınızı belirleyen şeydir.

thanks for your answer.
I chose to reach the voltage I wrote in the bios with LLC 7.
I don't know whether I should use LLC 6 or LLC 5.

Is the LLC5 enough for the new generation of VRM z390 motherboards?

[Falkentyne]

LLC7 is not good to use on any motherboard except the Z390 Dark (LLC7 on the Dark is approximately equal to -90% reduced vdroop on that board).

The Apex was untested as Buildzoid doesn't have one.

 

You can see that the Gene and the Aorus Master (LLC=Extreme is equal to the same vdroop reduction as LLC7 on the Gene/Hero/Formula/Code/Apex) take a huge drop in "average to minimum" differentials when going just from LLC5 (High) to 6 (Turbo).  6 to 7 (Extreme) has a further penalty but not as large as 5 to 6.

 

That's why 5 is usually recommended.

Vdroop is your friend, and too much should not be removed.

 

If the numbers confuse you how about some graphs?  Everyone loves graphs.

 

Compare the spikes/dips at LLC5 and then compare them to LLC7 and then tell me if you still want to use LLC7.
(yes, the AVERAGE voltage rises at LLC7--that's what your sensors show.  But these spikes and dips require special equipment (Oscilloscope) to see!

 

https://elmorlabs.com/index.php/2019-09-05/vrm-load-line-visualized/

[MadLover]

59 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

LLC7 is not good to use on any motherboard except the Z390 Dark (LLC7 on the Dark is approximately equal to -90% reduced vdroop on that board).

The Apex was untested as Buildzoid doesn't have one.

 

You can see that the Gene and the Aorus Master (LLC=Extreme is equal to the same vdroop reduction as LLC7 on the Gene/Hero/Formula/Code/Apex) take a huge drop in "average to minimum" differentials when going just from LLC5 (High) to 6 (Turbo).  6 to 7 (Extreme) has a further penalty but not as large as 5 to 6.

 

That's why 5 is usually recommended.

Vdroop is your friend, and too much should not be removed.

 

If the numbers confuse you how about some graphs?  Everyone loves graphs.

 

Compare the spikes/dips at LLC5 and then compare them to LLC7 and then tell me if you still want to use LLC7.
(yes, the AVERAGE voltage rises at LLC7--that's what your sensors show.  But these spikes and dips require special equipment (Oscilloscope) to see!

 

https://elmorlabs.com/index.php/2019-09-05/vrm-load-line-visualized/

 

thanks for your answer.

Playing game with LLC7 changed the voltage 3 times.
Playing game with LLC5 changed the voltage 9 times. not stable.
 

Idle: 1,323 - 1,314
Game Min: 1.243v - Max 1.305v
LLC5 is too bad for my mobo.
 

I failed the prime95 test. blue screen and frozen.
Asus realbench - cinebench15-20 - intel xtu went smoothly.
Prime doesn't matter to me. 24-hour gaming processor never heats up as much as it does. 

[Falkentyne]

Hi, You are supposed to increase the BIOS voltage when you reduce the LLC.  Not keep it the same as before.

Try 1.375v (BIOS set) + LLC 5.

 

This will be stable.

 

Then you can decrease 5mv at a time until you start getting errors.

Then increase it +10mv and leave it there.

[MadLover]

7 hours ago, Falkentyne said:

Hi, You are supposed to increase the BIOS voltage when you reduce the LLC.  Not keep it the same as before.

Try 1.375v (BIOS set) + LLC 5.

 

This will be stable.

 

Then you can decrease 5mv at a time until you start getting errors.

Then increase it +10mv and leave it there.

thanks for your answer.

 

llc5 selected

Vcore 1,350
Idle: 1.332v
At the load: 1.288 - 1.279

Disabled Hyper-Threading

Does Hyper-Threading need to be shut down when doing i9-9900k 5ghz oc? When I don't turn it off, the temperatures go to 98: /

I don't get a blue error when I do this. but after 5 min I get thermal throttling.