Need help with fps drop

[TobiSan]

My gpu load stays at 60-70% and cpu usage is going up at about 90-100% while playing NFS payback. CPU usage goes 70-90% in NFS most wanted 2012. Actually the CPU usage stays up more than the gpu in all games. Even in BLack Ops 1. Although the temprature remains at 70. Its been happening for the last 2 weeks I guess. There is a problem with my pc but it just kind of changes its shape after sometime. The fps drop is like 10 frames but it happens on every game and feels like the screen freezes for that very brief moment. Like just for a nano second. And the problem goes away on its own randomly and comes back. CPU usage goes to 50-60% and temprature goes to 50-53 when fps stables itself. Even now the CPU temp is at 67. Just using chrome. I have selected maximum performance in nvidia contro panel and set the physx to gpu. I am not expert in PC problems troubleshooting. Got this build like 4 months ago. Its all factory used. Maybe if someone can help me with a step by step guide. And other information you want on this. Thanks.

 

My PC specs:

Intel xeon e3 1240 quad core 3.30 ghz

LGA 1155 motheroard

2x4gb ram

gtx 950 2gb

265 watt PSU 

500gb HDD 

[Skiiwee29]

That would indicate a CPU bottleneck if your CPU is 90-100% used and GPU less than 90% used.

[danomicar]

12 minutes ago, TobiSan said:

My gpu load stays at 60-70% and cpu usage is going up at about 90-100% while playing NFS payback. CPU usage goes 70-90% in NFS most wanted 2012. Actually the CPU usage stays up more than the gpu in all games. Even in BLack Ops 1. Although the temprature remains at 70. Its been happening for the last 2 weeks I guess. There is a problem with my pc but it just kind of changes its shape after sometime. The fps drop is like 10 frames but it happens on every game and feels like the screen freezes for that very brief moment. Like just for a nano second. And the problem goes away on its own randomly and comes back. CPU usage goes to 50-60% and temprature goes to 50-53 when fps stables itself. Even now the CPU temp is at 67. Just using chrome. I have selected maximum performance in nvidia contro panel and set the physx to gpu. I am not expert in PC problems troubleshooting. Got this build like 4 months ago. Its all factory used. Maybe if someone can help me with a step by step guide. And other information you want on this. Thanks.

 

My PC specs:

Intel xeon e3 1240 quad core 3.30 ghz

LGA 1155 motheroard

2x4gb ram

gtx 950 2gb

265 watt PSU 

500gb HDD 

You're at the limit of what your CPU is capable of handling. The fix will be to turn down your settings or invest in a more powerful CPU. 

[MadAnt250]

14 minutes ago, TobiSan said:

My PC specs:

Intel xeon e3 1240 quad core 3.30 ghz

LGA 1155 motheroard

2x4gb ram

gtx 950 2gb

265 watt PSU 

500gb HDD 

Do you have any dust in your system? that may cause higher temps, also make sure there are no programs running in the background, it looks like you are already CPU bottlenecked.

[TobiSan]

2 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

Do you have any dust in your system?

there is but I do not think it is much.

[MadAnt250]

7 hours ago, TobiSan said:

there is but I do not think it is much.

The xeon e3 1240 has a max operating temp of like 69°C if you are getting close to that I suggest doing something about your cooling.

[TobiSan]

7 minutes ago, danomicar said:

You're at the limit of what your CPU is capable of handling. The fix will be to turn down your settings or invest in a more powerful CPU. 

Yesterday the cpu usage went down to 50-60% and temp went down too. I was playing nfs mw 2012 at everything high. there was no fps drop at all. While the gpu usage went to 80% and temp to 70 max. What could be the reason for random usages going up and down and also affecting the performance too? 

[TobiSan]

6 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

The xeon e3 1240 has a TDP 80°C if you are getting close to that I suggest doing something about your cooling.

Actually yes I checked it but the temp goes to 70 in most games. 

[MadAnt250]

5 minutes ago, TobiSan said:

Yesterday the cpu usage went down to 50-60% and temp went down too. I was playing nfs mw 2012 at everything high. there was no fps drop at all. While the gpu usage went to 80% and temp to 70 max. What could be the reason for random usages going up and down and also affecting the performance too? 

Make sure there are no other demanding programs running in the background, it looks like you are already CPU bottlenecked.

I think with your setup you should be happy if you can hit 60FPS, also try locking your FPS to help with major FPS dips and jumps.

[TobiSan]

1 minute ago, MadAnt250 said:

Make sure there are no other demanding programs running in the background, it looks like you are already CPU bottlenecked.

I think with your setup you should be happy if you can hit 60FPS, also try locking your FPS to help with major FPS dips and jumps.

I will try that. I tried system requirement check for nfs payback on GameDebate and it did say about bottleneck but said that the gpu is weak. 

[MadAnt250]

48 minutes ago, TobiSan said:

I will try that. I tried system requirement check for nfs payback on GameDebate and it did say about bottleneck but said that the gpu is weak. 

I got this from EA's website.

Minimum Requirements for 720p30 at low settings

 

• OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or later
• CPU: Intel i3 6300 @ 3.8GHz (2 Cores, 4 Threads) or AMD FX 8150 @ 3.6GHz (8 Cores, 8 Threads).
• RAM: 6GB
• DISC DRIVE: DVD ROM drive required for installation only
• HARD DRIVE: 30GB
• VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 750 Ti or AMD Radeon™ HD 7850 or equivalent DX11 compatible GPU with 2GB of memory
• DirectX: 11 Compatible video card or equivalent
• INPUT: Dual analog controller
• ONLINE CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS: 192 KBPS or faster Internet connection

[TobiSan]

3 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

I got this from EA's website.

Minimum Requirements for 720p30 at low settings

 

• OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or later
• CPU: Intel i3 6300 @ 3.8GHz (2 Cores, 4 Threads) or AMD FX 8150 @ 3.6GHz (8 Cores, 8 Threads).
• RAM: 6GB
• DISC DRIVE: DVD ROM drive required for installation only
• HARD DRIVE: 30GB
• VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 750 Ti or AMD Radeon™ HD 7850 or equivalent DX11 compatible GPU with 2GB of memory
• DirectX: 11 Compatible video card or equivalent
• INPUT: Dual analog controller
• ONLINE CONNECTION REQUIREMENTS: 192 KBPS or faster Internet connection

Do you have any recommendation for the processor that could work well with my gpu? I think cpu really is the culprit. gonna check it for a few more days with some different games.

[MadAnt250]

On 11/24/2019 at 1:21 PM, TobiSan said:

On 11/24/2019 at 1:14 PM, MadAnt250 said:

The xeon e3 1240 has a TDP 80°C if you are getting close to that I suggest doing something about your cooling.

Actually yes I checked it but the temp goes to 70 in most games. 

Disregard that statement, I meant operating temp and I pasted the TDP wattage, oops. Your max operating temp I believe is around 69 degrees C, so you are running hot. I suggest cleaning the cooler, putting new thermal paste and making sure you have good air flow in your case.

 

Edit: I think the temp I stated is at the heat spreader and not the junction temp, I could not find info on your junction temp but, 67 degrees in chrome is way hot considering that I am at 30 degrees right now with a stock intel cooler.

[TobiSan]

On 11/25/2019 at 7:03 AM, MadAnt250 said:

Disregard that statement, I meant operating temp and I pasted the TDP wattage, oops. Your max operating temp I believe is around 69 degrees C, so you are running hot. I suggest cleaning the cooler, putting new thermal paste and making sure you have good air flow in your case.

 

Edit: I think the temp I stated is at the heat spreader and not the junction temp, I could not find info on your junction temp but, 67 degrees in chrome is way hot considering that I am at 30 degrees right now with a stock intel cooler.

the junction temp is at 94 degrees. And I check in the task manager and a file named 'chrome.exe' was using 45% of the cpu. Even though I closed the chrome. And the temp has lowered down to 35 when in chrome. and at 50-55 while playing 2010-2012 games. does go upto 70 in nfs payback. Still I am seeing that cpu usage stays 10% more than gpu. the gpu utilization is not at full.

[MadAnt250]

49 minutes ago, TobiSan said:

the junction temp is at 94 degrees

There is something wrong with chrome if it is making your CPU work that hard. Also because your CPU is the bottleneck in your games the best you can do is adjust the settings to get the best balanced performance out of your PC. You may see higher CPU usage but, if things are running ok, then that may be best you system can do considering what you have.

Also:

Did your clean your system and put new thermal paste on your CPU?

[TobiSan]

3 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

There is something wrong with chrome if it is making your CPU work that hard. Also because your CPU is the bottleneck in your games the best you can do is adjust the settings to get the best balanced performance out of your PC. You may see higher CPU usage but, if things are running ok, then that may be best you system can do considering what you have.

Also:

Did your clean your system and put new thermal paste on your CPU?

Ahh no I didn't clean it. I'm really lazy. Actually I did get the thermal changed from the shop like 2 months ago when the PC hanged out. The tempratures look fine to me despite the usage being high. It was that chrome file that opened up on startup somewhere in the background. Even though I didn't even open it. I will try running a scan too. And I noticed when I turn off vsync, the gpu usage does go up. It does feel like the gpu and cpu are not calibrating together very well. I will be getting some money soon. I can replace the processor if it will let the gpu usage go upto 100. I could search on internet but I'm not confident which cpu I should buy. I have a lga 1155 motherboard so if you can suggest me anything that can work well with the gpu. Or would I have to change the motherboard too if I want to get a better processor?

[MadAnt250]

18 hours ago, TobiSan said:

Ahh no I didn't clean it. I'm really lazy. Actually I did get the thermal changed from the shop like 2 months ago when the PC hanged out. The tempratures look fine to me despite the usage being high. It was that chrome file that opened up on startup somewhere in the background. Even though I didn't even open it. I will try running a scan too. And I noticed when I turn off vsync, the gpu usage does go up. It does feel like the gpu and cpu are not calibrating together very well. I will be getting some money soon. I can replace the processor if it will let the gpu usage go upto 100. I could search on internet but I'm not confident which cpu I should buy. I have a lga 1155 motherboard so if you can suggest me anything that can work well with the gpu. Or would I have to change the motherboard too if I want to get a better processor?

Not all games are the same, some games will have more CPU usage than GPU usage and vise versa, for example in Minecraft my GPU usage never goes up to 100%, it will maybe hoover around 15-40% at a locked 75 FPS. For NFS payback your setup is good for 30 FPS on maybe low detail or 720p, that is still playable and is fine for some people.

 

Now for upgrading, we need to know what make and model motherboard you have because not all motherboards will the same socket have the same compatibility.

[TobiSan]

On 12/1/2019 at 1:08 AM, MadAnt250 said:

Not all games are the same, some games will have more CPU usage than GPU usage and vise versa, for example in Minecraft my GPU usage never goes up to 100%, it will maybe hoover around 15-40% at a locked 75 FPS. For NFS payback your setup is good for 30 FPS on maybe low detail or 720p, that is still playable and is fine for some people.

 

Now for upgrading, we need to know what make and model motherboard you have because not all motherboards will the same socket have the same compatibility.

Socket is 1155 LGA and model is Intel Precision T1600. Anything else you want to know?

[MadAnt250]

6 hours ago, TobiSan said:

Socket is 1155 LGA and model is Intel Precision T1600. Anything else you want to know?

https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/precn/en/precision-t1600-spec-sheet.pdf

 

This is the info I found but, I think you can still run ok with your CPU for now, you should check if there is anything else running in the background and delete temp files and do a disk cleanup on your hard drive. Also make sure your hard drive is not full.

If every thing is working fine while playing games and you see your CPU usage jump higher than your GPU usage for a tiny little bit, don't panic, not all games are balanced perfectly and is normal sometimes. Below is a video from Tech deals and LTT to help you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52INGnyILw0

 

[Ben17]

On 11/29/2019 at 9:30 PM, TobiSan said:

And I check in the task manager and a file named 'chrome.exe' was using 45% of the cpu. Even though I closed the chrome

You can close chrome in task manager just right click on it and hit end task in the right click mennu that opens.

[TobiSan]

34 minutes ago, Ben17 said:

You can close chrome in task manager just right click on it and hit end task in the right click mennu that opens.

Yes I did that already . Thank you anyways.

[Ben17]

Just now, TobiSan said:

Yes I did that already . Thank you anyways.

No prob thought I'd add that in case u didn't know

[TobiSan]

4 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/precn/en/precision-t1600-spec-sheet.pdf

 

This is the info I found but, I think you can still run ok with your CPU for now, you should check if there is anything else running in the background and delete temp files and do a disk cleanup on your hard drive. Also make sure your hard drive is not full.

If every thing is working fine while playing games and you see your CPU usage jump higher than your GPU usage for a tiny little bit, don't panic, not all games are balanced perfectly and is normal sometimes. Below is a video from Tech deals and LTT to help you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52INGnyILw0

 

Yes I know a little bit that PC games do have problems here and there. Some not being updated and some not being optimised. Don't wanna bother you on this much but I just installed sniper ghost warrior 1 and the gpu usage was on 99 most of the time while cpu usage was 50-60 which is lower than all other games I mentioned. One thing in this game happened is that the vsync was off and I did not see any option to turn it on so I just played the game as is and no problem, good fps. And it is not a new game but still the thing I wanted happened in it. I turned the vsync off in other games too but gpu usage went up like 10% only while cpu usage was same 60-90% (its not very stable but it does like to stay higher) I turned down all settings in nfs payback and to 720p but the gpu usage went down while cpu usage was hovering around the same percentage. Like the gpu is deliberately being used less than the cpu even though I have the nvidia settings to max performance and gpu selected in physx too. When I push things up to ultra, only then gpu usage goes to 99,100. With cpu being 100 too ofcourse. But cpu being at high causes fps drop so bad so I had to lower settings. I did the same thing with AC 4 black flag and same result but I've heard its more cpu based. And cpu temp goes upto 63, 64 max now that I've closed that chrome thing using up literally 50% and it does not come on now.

Thank you for the video. I'll check it now. 

I'm checking out background processes too and did not see anything taking up any unnecessary usage. 

Hard Drive is also not full, about 90 gb free.

I will do a disk clean up and delete the temp files too as soon as I can.

I guess I'll keep checking out things until I'm satisfied. Still have to clean my PC too lol. 

[MadAnt250]

13 hours ago, TobiSan said:

I turned down all settings in nfs payback and to 720p but the gpu usage went down while cpu usage was hovering around the same percentage. Like the gpu is deliberately being used less than the cpu even though I have the nvidia settings to max performance and gpu selected in physx too. When I push things up to ultra, only then gpu usage goes to 99,100. With cpu being 100 too ofcourse. But cpu being at high causes fps drop so bad so I had to lower settings. I did the same thing with AC 4 black flag and same result but I've heard its more cpu based. And cpu temp goes upto 63, 64 max now that I've closed that chrome thing using up literally 50% and it does not come on now.

Thank you for the video. I'll check it now. 

I'm checking out background processes too and did not see anything taking up any unnecessary usage. 

Hard Drive is also not full, about 90 gb free.

I will do a disk clean up and delete the temp files too as soon as I can.

I guess I'll keep checking out things until I'm satisfied. Still have to clean my PC too lol. 

Sounds like it is working fine if that is your junction temp, by playing around with your game setting you tune the right balance that you are happy with, and of course you gpu usage will go up when Vsync is off and with the details cranked up but, some of those settings may also effect the cpu usage. If you try 1080p to take some load off the cpu and lower some of setting that put more load on the cpu then, you may have a more stable game play. Now keep in mind you may be a little limited with the GTX 950 for more modern-ish games but, it sounds like things are working better now that you fixed the chrome problem.

 

Some sites estimate you setup is good for 720p at 30fps for payback but, I do not know how they go about testing this. You will find out when you play around with the game's detail settings, who knows, maybe you can do better.

 

 

[TobiSan]

2 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

Sounds like it is working fine if that is your junction temp, by playing around with your game setting you tune the right balance that you are happy with, and of course you gpu usage will go up when Vsync is off and with the details cranked up but, some of those settings may also effect the cpu usage. If you try 1080p to take some load off the cpu and lower some of setting that put more load on the cpu then, you may have a more stable game play. Now keep in mind you may be a little limited with the GTX 950 for more modern-ish games but, it sounds like things are working better now that you fixed the chrome problem.

 

Some sites estimate you setup is good for 720p at 30fps for payback but, I do not know how they go about testing this. You will find out when you play around with the game's detail settings, who knows, maybe you can do better.

 

 

Yes. Thank you for the help. I will keep changing the settings to see the best spot for me. Although the bottleneck issue WAS quite confusing but guess its hit and trial.