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Are FPS benchmarks for Games,mostly GPUs false?

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A user mentioned that the i9-9900K doesn't beat the overclocked 8700K and I stated that I have 8700 stock.

 

Another user said that the FPS might be CPU related so we changed the source to a testbench with 9900K.

And I still got same FPS at higher settings than their tests. 

Yep, meaning the CPU isn't the bottleneck. I can probably push the same fps in some titles as someone with the same GPU and a much faster CPU, it depends on the game and how CPU hungry it is. 

Also keep in mind devs can often update their games to run smoother, and Nvidia/AMD usually add in optimizations to the drivers for specific games, sometimes they give a noticeable boost in performance. So something may run better later on than it did at launch. Heck even Anthem got updates to try and be less of an oof experience (it had a wack bug at launch that slammed even 18c/36t CPUs to 100% on all cores and threads). 

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What I have issues with is almost all reviewers except Gamers Nexus don't overclock their GPUs. The OC them when they are new and relevant but once they are a generation or two old they don't OC them anymore. Which leads to unrealistic graphs. People probably wouldn't buy GPUs as much knowing a 5 year old GPU is only 15% slower and costs 1/3rd as much

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1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

Yep, meaning the CPU isn't the bottleneck. I can probably push the same fps in some titles as someone with the same GPU and a much faster CPU, it depends on the game and how CPU hungry it is. 

Also keep in mind devs can often update their games to run smoother, and Nvidia/AMD usually add in optimizations to the drivers for specific games, sometimes they give a noticeable boost in performance. So something may run better later on than it did at launch. Heck even Anthem got updates to try and be less of an oof experience (it had a wack bug at launch that slammed even 18c/36t CPUs to 100% on all cores and threads). 

That is a good point but I can't belive that I got the same result with the same GPU (put aside the CPU) and I had the graphical setting set to Extreme while they had it on Ultra plus I cranked the Ray-Tracing to Ultra and that should be more than enough to lower my FPS by a bunch.

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1 minute ago, DismissedFetus said:

So 9900K is less powerfull than 8700K when both overclocked fully while 9900K outperforms in other workloads such as rendering because of its cores?

 

 Not really. The silicon lottery players a big part with these chips. Maybe too much. 

My i7 8700k did not make it to 5ghz. That is why I replaced it.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

What I have issues with is almost all reviewers except Gamers Nexus don't overclock their GPUs. The OC them when they are new and relevant but once they are a generation or two old they don't OC them anymore. Which leads to unrealistic graphs. People probably wouldn't buy GPUs as much knowing a 5 year old GPU is only 15% slower and costs 1/3rd as much

I haven't overclocked my CPU and overclocking add a big variable as everyone has different needs and might set the overclock to different levels.I think the stock should be the priority in the tests.

 

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1 hour ago, jones177 said:

 

 Not really. The silicon lottery players a big part with these chips. Maybe too much. 

My i7 8700k did not make it to 5ghz. That is why I replaced it.

Could it be a problem with your CPU as the video you sent had it at 5Hz with less power draw , heat and more FPS.

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7 minutes ago, DismissedFetus said:

I haven't overclocked my CPU and overclocking add a big variable as everyone has different needs and might set the overclock to different levels.I think the stock should be the priority in the tests.

 

Except it's not super representative anymore with things like GPU Boost 3.0 vs older generations. I have seen reviewers run 980tis at 1100Mhz because that's stock. Yet they can easily hit 1430Mhz and all the way up to 1620Mhz. 520Mhz is nothing to gloss over on a GPU

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While I have the chance,I'd like to ask something off topic.

I am buying a monitor with about 600 dollar budget and my choice is XG27VQ from ASUS.

I've waited for months to find a gaming monitor as Amazon takes ages to deliver in my country and gaming equiment is hard to come through here.

I wanted to go for 1440p but this is the best I came through.

 

Specs of the monitor:

VA Panel

1080p

27"

144Hz

 

Link:https://www.asus.com/ru/Monitors/ROG-STRIX-XG27VQ/

 

Really sorry for posting in this forum as Im near desperate and the attetion this post got made me belive it is a good spot to post this.

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10 minutes ago, DismissedFetus said:

Could it be a problem with your CPU as the video you sent had it at 5Hz with less power draw , heat and more FPS.

My CPU overclocks are lower than the video. The i9 9900k is at 1.27v and the i7 8086k is at 1.34v for 5ghz. At 1.34v my i7 8700k could only do 4.7ghz on all cores stable. 

Adding voltage over 1.34 would have required a delid to keep it cool and If I thought that it would have gotten me to 5ghz I would have done it but it was too far away.

The chip ran fine stock so I may have a use for it in the future.

RIG#1 CPU: AMD, R 7 5800x3D| Motherboard: X570 AORUS Master | RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA FTW3 ULTRA  RTX 3090 ti | PSU: EVGA 1000 G+ | Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic | Cooler: EK 360mm AIO | SSD#1: Corsair MP600 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 2TB | Monitor: ASUS ROG Swift PG42UQ

 

RIG#2 CPU: Intel i9 11900k | Motherboard: Z590 AORUS Master | RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB DDR4 3600 | GPU: EVGA FTW3 ULTRA  RTX 3090 ti | PSU: EVGA 1300 G+ | Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: SSD#1: Corsair MP600 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k C1 OLED TV

 

RIG#3 CPU: Intel i9 10900kf | Motherboard: Z490 AORUS Master | RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB DDR4 4000 | GPU: MSI Gaming X Trio 3090 | PSU: EVGA 1000 G+ | Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic | Cooler: EK 360mm AIO | SSD#1: Crucial P1 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV

 

RIG#4 CPU: Intel i9 13900k | Motherboard: AORUS Z790 Master | RAM: Corsair Dominator RGB 32GB DDR5 6200 | GPU: Zotac Amp Extreme 4090  | PSU: EVGA 1000 G+ | Case: Streacom BC1.1S | Cooler: EK 360mm AIO | SSD: Corsair MP600 1TB  | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV

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3 hours ago, DismissedFetus said:

I have:

RTX 2060

i7-8700

16 GB RAM DDR4

 

The issue is most benchmarks done by third-parties specify that I'll get 30-40 FPS on the title Metro:Exodus at extreme graphics on 1080p resolution.

I downloaded Afterburner to check that for myself.I turned ALL the settings including ray-tracing to ultra and got stable 80 FPS.I was honestly was scared to crank to extreme before as thought it would crash.

The source I took the benchmark from used i7-5820K while I don't think this matters as most benchmarks display the same amount (being lower than what the RTX 2060 is capable of)

Could someone shed some light to this?

 

 

Source:

https://www.game-debate.com/news/26614/metro-exodus-geforce-rtx-2060-and-gtx-1070-benchmarks

I had this same issue w/Overwatch, then I realized I wasn't overclockin my i7-8700k to 5GHz, so that's why my FPS w/the same hardware wasn't consistently the same.  It'll dip to around 110 FPS here and there, while theirs was far higher.  Make sure all of your settings are the same and it's still up to random lottery if your hardware is as high class/pristine as what the company has sold you, such as your CPU/GPU.

Primary

OS:        Windows 10 - Professional (64-bit)

CPU:      i9-10900k 3.7-5.3GHz (10th gen)

GPU:      EVGA RTX 3080ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming 12gb

MB:         ASUS RoG Maximus XIII Hero (ATX)

RAM:      64gb (4x16) DDR4-3200MHz G.Skill TridentZ Silver/Black (CL16)

HD:         1x 8TB Corsair MP400 NVMe PCIe 3.0 (SSD)

               2x 16TB Seagate Exos 7200rpm (HDD)

E-HD:     12TB WD

PSU:       EVGA 1000w G2, 80+ Gold (modular)

UPS:       900w CyberPower

Display:   ASUS 27” 1440p/270Hz IPS 0.5ms (XG27AQM)

                Aorus 27" 1440p/165Hz IPS 1ms (FI27Q-P) iGPU

KeyB:      EVGA Z15 (wired)

Mouse:    Logitech G-502 Hero (400/600/800/1000)

Headset: JBL Quantum ONE Gaming Headset

Case:      Cooler Master MasterCase H500P Mesh (ATX)

Other:     XB-1 Wireless Controller Adapter w/Controller

              NPET H01 Gaming Mouse Bungee Cord Holder w/4 USB Ports

 

 

 

 

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