Intel i5 9600K vs Intel i7 8700 (Non K)

[jaydeltaa]

Hello

I have a question for a friend of mine, he has a build (RTX 2080 with 32GB DDR4 and a MSI Z390)

 

He hasn´t any CPU so, he asks me what CPU would be better.

- i5 9600K costs about 230€ (had to buy a Dark Rock 4 Pro more 80€)

- i7 8700 (non K) costs about 250€ (has a Kraken M22 as offer)

 

Its only gaming and maybe record the games... 

Some say the 1% low in i7 even 8 gen is better, no shutter blabla but others says the i5 OC beats any CPU.

Don´t know what is the best for him!

[Princess Luna]

If these are the only options you have go with the i7

[Tamesh16]

The 9th Gen i5 would be better, given higher clock speeds, and it can be over clocked, 

if its just for games, then 6 cores  and 1 thread per core is more then enough 

and the two cores per thread in the i7 8700 would only be good for work station kind of loads

[kelvinhall05]

I'd get the i5 if those are your only options, but I would very, very strongly push you towards Ryzen.

[jaydeltaa]

13 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

I'd get the i5 if those are your only options, but I would very, very strongly push you towards Ryzen.

Why if he has already the motherboard? 

And even so, Ryzen has poor performance. Intel domains gaming at this moment.

 

Would u recommend to go to a i7 9700K for 50€ more?!

[jaydeltaa]

48 minutes ago, Tamesh16 said:

The 9th Gen i5 would be better, given higher clock speeds, and it can be over clocked, 

if its just for games, then 6 cores  and 1 thread per core is more then enough 

and the two cores per thread in the i7 8700 would only be good for work station kind of loads

what if the i7 9700k is in place, should he consider it? its 50€ more!

[kelvinhall05]

4 minutes ago, jaydeltaa said:

Why if he has already the motherboard? 

And even so, Ryzen has poor performance. Intel domains gaming at this moment.

 

Would u recommend to go to a i7 9700K for 50€ more?!

Intel does not "dominate" gaming, especially if you consider the price. A $200 Ryzen chip will wipe the floor with a $200 Intel chip in basically all scenarios, including gaming.

 

 

Also, why would you buy a motherboard before a CPU?

[jaydeltaa]

6 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Intel does not "dominate" gaming, especially if you consider the price. A $200 Ryzen chip will wipe the floor with a $200 Intel chip in basically all scenarios, including gaming.

 

 

Also, why would you buy a motherboard before a CPU?

Well Im not sure in what country u are living but in mine Ryzen is more expensive.

 

Intel i5 9600K = 230€

AMD Ryzen 3600X = 289€

Intel i7 8700 (non K) = 240€

Intel i7 9700K = 290€ 

AMD Ryzen 3700X 369€

 

Note: I tested a i5 9400F that costs 134€ vs the Ryzen 3600 (non X) what costs 209€ and I got 12 of 16 games better Frames (7 to 12 AVG). So its strange that u are saying "wipe the floor" or if u are saying "more then gaming" then sure, AMD wipes Intel off!

 

Benchmarks gives the Intel in most games a clear advantage, even if they are stock. Saw some article in Germany from this weak giving the 3 top best CPU for games to Intel and then to AMD. But again, maybe in the states or any other country prices are better for AMD.

 

Intel dropped alote prices, even the i9 9900K costs about 450€ vs Ryzen 9 3900X that costs 499€. There is no point going for AMD if u are a gamer and even streamer.

We all know the king of games/cpu is i7 9700K not putting "price" in question.

 

But as u said well, the price vs performance is a very importante factor!

 

BTW it wasn´t me, I own already a system  I´m asking in behave of my friend, he can´t even speak English  was strange in fact but his stupid decisions anyways, I believe it has to do with some promo 30% off!

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 hour ago, jaydeltaa said:

Note: I tested a i5 9400F that costs 134€ vs the Ryzen 3600 (non X) what costs 209€ and I got 12 of 16 games better Frames (7 to 12 AVG). So its strange that u are saying "wipe the floor" or if u are saying "more then gaming" then sure, AMD wipes Intel off!

 

Benchmarks gives the Intel in most games a clear advantage, even if they are stock. Saw some article in Germany from this weak giving the 3 top best CPU for games to Intel and then to AMD. But again, maybe in the states or any other country prices are better for AMD.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1885-ryzen-5-3600-vs-core-i5-9400f/ the 3600 generally performs better than the 9400F, plus the lack of HT on the i5s is already causing it to stutter in some games compared to the 3600.

[jaydeltaa]

8 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1885-ryzen-5-3600-vs-core-i5-9400f/ the 3600 generally performs better than the 9400F, plus the lack of HT on the i5s is already causing it to stutter in some games compared to the 3600.

So in this case o prevent that he should go with a i7 8700? Since its 6c/12t?

 

I saw that review but thats the only one that shows that! 

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_3600_review,23.html   

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/15.html 

 

At techpowerup things are very clear at Intel

So what can we trust this days?!

 

He has already a 200€ mobo so no way he can go to AMD now.

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, jaydeltaa said:

So in this case o prevent that he should go with a i7 8700? Since its 6c/12t?

yes.

[jaydeltaa]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

yes.

Btw he can lock the CPU to 4.4GHz using that BCLK thing right?

 

Well sadly he could go to a i7 9700K but I don´t think its worth  or is it?

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 minutes ago, jaydeltaa said:

Btw he can lock the CPU to 4.4GHz using that BCLK thing right?

with MCE, yes. But it might cause instability.

 

9 minutes ago, jaydeltaa said:

Well sadly he could go to a i7 9700K but I don´t think its worth  or is it?

if the 9900 is available for similar prices after including a good cooler on the 9700k then i'd get that instead.

[jaydeltaa]

13 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

with MCE, yes. But it might cause instability.

 

if the 9900 is available for similar prices after including a good cooler on the 9700k then i'd get that instead.

The i9 9900K is out of stock because they sold it for 440$ (damn) just found it now >< won´t be again at that price.

 

Well let me see, price difference from i7 9700K with a BeQuite Dark Rock 4 Pro vs a i7 8700 with a NZXT M22 will have a difference price by 80$ I guess... is it worth?