Is it worth buying different air cooler over the stock one for 3700x

[Rxd]

I am thinking of using the stock cooler(the Prism) for my 3700x because compered to a top of the line 240mm AIO while being stressed tested at 100% it only loses like 0.1MHz. The other downfalls like heat and sound won't matter that much in my case because I will never have the CPU running at more than 50%. So is it worth getting something like CM hyper 212 or I will have to go all the way to BQ dark rock 4 or AIO to make a reasonable difference?

[TheKDub]

If you're not overclocking, the stock cooler is fine, if you are, then I'd suggest getting something such as the Noctua NH-D15 or BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4, or a 240mm+ AIO.

[Rxd]

@TheKDub I will run PBO and auto OC, not gonna manually OC.

[Flying Sausages]

19 minutes ago, Rxd said:

@TheKDub I will run PBO and auto OC, not gonna manually OC.

Auto OC is bad. Manual OC is better or no overclock at all.

[goto10]

if you find annoying the noise the stock cooler does, yes sure, go for a better cooler, more silent with a bigger fan, if not, perhaps the stock one is all you need

[SPARTAN VI]

Ryzen 3000 series have notoriously poor overclocking potential. So I highly doubt dropping $80+ on a be quiet! DRP4 will be worth the cost/performance delta over the "free" stock Wraith Prism. 

[Rxd]

@OlympicAssEater Why is Auto OC bad exactly?

[Flying Sausages]

14 hours ago, Rxd said:

@OlympicAssEater Why is Auto OC bad exactly?

Sometimes Auto OC add way too much voltage, not all chip can run same oc speed. I like manual OC than auto OC. 

[Rxd]

I will keep it in mind.

[hello_there_123]

On 8/3/2019 at 8:40 PM, OlympicAssEater said:

Auto OC is bad. Manual OC is better or no overclock at all.

Not true , PBO with a voltage offset is usually better than anything manual OC can achieve. @Rxd

 

And also, with temps normalized to <=85C and noise 40dbA or below at 1ft , there will not be any noticable performance difference , between a D15 and the stock cooler.

[Flying Sausages]

37 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

Not true , PBO with a voltage offset is usually better than anything manual OC can achieve. @Rxd

  

And also, with temps normalized to <=85C and noise 40dbA or below at 1ft , there will not be any noticable performance difference , between a D15 and the stock cooler.

It is true on my end. I am using intel CPU with Asus motherboard, and I don't like the ASUS Auto OC software. It added too much voltage on medium OC. I am not sure on AMD end, but on Intel I don't recommend auto OC. 

 

The D15 will outperform stock cooler, what are you talking about? D15 is a high end  air cooler performs identical to Corsair H110. 

[goto10]

9 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

It is true on my end. I am using intel CPU with Asus motherboard, and I don't like the ASUS Auto OC software. It added too much voltage on medium OC. I am not sure on AMD end, but on Intel I don't recommend auto OC. 

 

The D15 will outperform stock cooler, what are you talking about? D15 is a high end  air cooler performs identical to Corsair H110. 

the comment was about amd cpus, not intel cpus, completelly different, amd has a auto overclockingn solution integrated on the cpu and bios, intel has nothing like that

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

Jay recently compared the Dark Rock Pro 4 with the stock cooler on his 3900X.  On stock settings the temps were about 20°C lower (which increases longevity if you care about that sort of thing) and the CPU ran about 100MHz faster. 

You won't gain much in terms of performance.  The question is if that extra 100MHz and the reduced noise level are worth the price of the cooler, and that's something only you can decide.

 

 

[Rxd]

@Captain Chaos I know this as I already said it in the beginning of the topic but I will never run the CPU at over 50% so the differences won't be that big.

[AvogadrosDog]

Ryzen 3000 CPUs are known to have good temperature scaling - better performance the cooler you can run the CPU. And Hardware Unobxed also showed improvements in temperatures by 10+ degrees Celsius between the Wraith Prism and a 280mm AIO. Case is also a factor - my pc-011 dynamic isn't well suited to the type of air cooler the Wraith Prism is (air comes vertically relative to the CPU not horizontally). This means with Cinebench runs I'm getting 70+ degrees at max and I'm just not comfortable running those temps. That's why I've opted for a 280mm AIO which I'm waiting to receive. 

 

It's down to the user, your needs and what your current build is. I'm also looking to AutoOC which further justifies going for an aftermarket cooler for me. 

 

11 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

It is true on my end. I am using intel CPU with Asus motherboard, and I don't like the ASUS Auto OC software. It added too much voltage on medium OC. I am not sure on AMD end, but on Intel I don't recommend auto OC. 

 

The D15 will outperform stock cooler, what are you talking about? D15 is a high end  air cooler performs identical to Corsair H110. 

Can't directly compare your Intel build with the newly released Ryzen stuff - they operate differently and the autoOC comes from AMD themselves, not the board manufacturer.

[hello_there_123]

11 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

The D15 will outperform stock cooler, what are you talking about? D15 is a high end  air cooler performs identical to Corsair H110. 

i,m talking about NOTICEABLE PERFORMANCE. With ryzen,s steep voltage curve , more cooling than the stock will not lead to sig nificant clockspeed increase , maybe 0.1-0.2ghz at most , which does almost nothing for FPS , when you,re gpu bottlenecked usually.

[Rxd]

@AvogadrosDog I will use the meshify C most likely.

[geo3]

The biggest difference will be noise.  The stock cooler is more than sufficient to cool the chip, but may get loud under load.  Also don't use Auto OC, PBO will do the job by it self. 

[Rxd]

@geo3 I don't care about the noise but isn't Auto OC giving a bit extra?

[geo3]

4 minutes ago, Rxd said:

@geo3 I don't care about the noise but isn't Auto OC giving a bit extra?

Sure, it's giving you extra. Voltage and heat. Performance? Doubtful.

[geo3]

12 minutes ago, Rxd said:

@geo3 I don't care about the noise but isn't Auto OC giving a bit extra?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3491-explaining-precision-boost-overdrive-benchmarks-auto-oc

 

It's case by case. It's rarely faster, occasionally worse, and always so close as to be imperceptible. 

 

There are better results to be had by overclocking your  infinity fabric, and over tightening your ram timings. 

[toobladink]

7 hours ago, Rxd said:

@Captain Chaos I know this as I already said it in the beginning of the topic but I will never run the CPU at over 50% so the differences won't be that big.

Stick with the stock cooler for now - if your needs change, adjust the cooler accordingly.

 

Since the cooler comes with the processor anyways, just decide if you want to buy a cooler later. You'll be surprised that noise might actually annoy you, maybe. Maybe that 100 MHz could help you get that little extra satisfaction with your build. Maybe. But just buy the aftermarket cooler later if you aren't sure, and give the stock one a spin.

[Rxd]

@toobladink I have a fan running on almost it's highest setting in the back all day long and I don't hear it when I listen to anything on my headphones since they are closed so I am fine with some noise.