CPU parts

[Vainix]

I currently have an IBuyPower PC, AMD FX 6300, 8Gb of ram 1.6ghz, msi 760-GMA-P34 mobo, and gtx 1070. Noticed that the 1070 isn’t performing as it’s supposed, guessing is bottlenecked by the cpu. Some recommended a Ryzen 5 2600. What should I upgrade to? Or what can i do about the bottle neck? 

[goto10]

upgrade

 

any budget in mind?

[Metallus97]

First thing to upgrade CPU 2600 is solid, but maybe get a 3600 (if you can afford) and then get 16GB of RAM

One more question: PSU? 

[Metallus97]

2 minutes ago, Genwyn said:

its ibuypower from the vishera era, its most likely adequate enough as it originally had something like a GTX 650 or 660ti in it

probably should replace that anyway since that wasnt the best of times for ibuypower but its not vital

yeh, ok as long as he's not getting a 3900x its fine I think. But maybe if he has the $$ get a new PSU with the rest in one swing

[Vainix]

4 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

yeh, ok as long as he's not getting a 3900x its fine I think. But maybe if he has the $$ get a new PSU with the rest in one swing

i have a corsair CX550

[Vainix]

Also my budget is under $400

[Metallus97]

8 minutes ago, Vainix said:

i have a corsair CX550

green or grey?

[Metallus97]

8 minutes ago, Vainix said:

Also my budget is under $400

ok, at 400$ it Weill be doable. Do you need anything special from your new mobo? Idd be happy to give you a recommendations list for going ryzen 2

[Vainix]

22 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

ok, at 400$ it Weill be doable. Do you need anything special from your new mobo? Idd be happy to give you a recommendations list for going ryzen 2

The power supply is gray, I just need usb 3.0 and wifi if possible.

[Vainix]

Also aiming for $350 mark would be great

[Vainix]

5 hours ago, Metallus97 said:

ok, at 400$ it Weill be doable. Do you need anything special from your new mobo? Idd be happy to give you a recommendations list for going ryzen 2

please help as soon as possible 

[Metallus97]

Ok i am back (sorry had to catch some sleep. Different timezones I guess) 

 

Right on the 400$ edge:

Will be quicker and have solid wifi on the board. 

Caution: Get your Mobo seller to upgrade the BIOS for you, so you're sure to have it working with Zen 2. Most offer this for like 10 bucks or cheaper. When you ask politely many do it for free.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H3sT8Y

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($121.87 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $400.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-01 05:20 EDT-0400

 

Chepaer: Switch the CPU to a older Ryzen 2600. You will loose 10-15% of CPU perf when doing this.

 

Info: Going for a cheaper Mobo and a PCie Wifi card won't help or be of sufficiently cheaper quality

Oh and wich cooler do you have now? Maybe you can reuse it sell the Ryzen cooler.

 

 

 

[Vainix]

10 hours ago, Metallus97 said:

Ok i am back (sorry had to catch some sleep. Different timezones I guess) 

 

Right on the 400$ edge:

Will be quicker and have solid wifi on the board. 

Caution: Get your Mobo seller to upgrade the BIOS for you, so you're sure to have it working with Zen 2. Most offer this for like 10 bucks or cheaper. When you ask politely many do it for free.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H3sT8Y

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($121.87 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $400.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-01 05:20 EDT-0400

 

Chepaer: Switch the CPU to a older Ryzen 2600. You will loose 10-15% of CPU perf when doing this.

 

Info: Going for a cheaper Mobo and a PCie Wifi card won't help or be of sufficiently cheaper quality

Oh and wich cooler do you have now? Maybe you can reuse it sell the Ryzen cooler.

 

 

 

do you think it’s worth doing that? or do you think a new pc would be a better option? 

[paulmohr]

3 minutes ago, Vainix said:

do you think it’s worth doing that? or do you think a new pc would be a better option?

I am not quite sure I understand your question? Do you mean is it worth it to get a new cpu, motherboard and ram and re use all your other parts. Or would you be better off just buying a whole new pre built PC? Or did you mean something completely different and I didn't understand the question.

[Vainix]

2 hours ago, paulmohr said:

I am not quite sure I understand your question? Do you mean is it worth it to get a new cpu, motherboard and ram and re use all your other parts. Or would you be better off just buying a whole new pre built PC? Or did you mean something completely different and I didn't understand the question.

yeah that’s what i meant sorry for the misunderstanding.

[-rascal-]

57 minutes ago, Vainix said:

yeah that’s what i meant sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

You are essentially building a new PC -- CPU / motherboard / RAM ... aside from the graphics card ... are the major components in a PC.

You COULD sell your entire current PC to get some money back, and use that towards 100% brand-new system (e.g. new case, HDD/SSD, video card).

 

But... that won't be $450. A new video card, with similar GTX 1070 performance, would be in the $250+ range alone.

CPU + motherboard + RAM = $400

Video Card (e.g. GTX 1660 Ti) = $280

New Case = $100 ~ $150

Power Supply = $50 ~ $80

SSD (e.g. 500 GB SATA III) = $70

Windows 10?

 

[paulmohr]

Grab something to drink, this isn't going to be a short post (like that is an option with me?).

 

 

Ok, so your options are by a completely new PC that someone else built. Like from a retail store, a small shop that build custom PC's or an online thing like you did with your current system.

 

Or, buying the all the parts for a completely new system and building it yourself. Which if I remember correctly you said you had concerns about because you were not sure you could do it.

 

Or the other option, upgrade what you have buying some key components and re using what you have that is still perfectly fine for what you need.

 

       Option 1, buying a new prebuilt system from someone else. For starters you can kiss your budget of 400 dollars good bye, you are going to blow that out of the water. If you can find something for that kind of money it will probably be something you wouldn't give your grandma to use for browsing the internet lol. I mean you are looking for something significantly better than what you have. Not the same, worse or slightly better. If that were the case save your money and keep using what you have.

 

The advantages to a pre built system is one, you don't have to put it together. It is already done, you just pick it up and walk out or they deliver it to your door. Easy peasy, no fuss no muss. The other advantages are waranty, service and support. If the company you are buying it from isn't any good with any of these it is kind of pointless. You might as well buy a nice used system from someone.

 

The down side is this costs money. These companies are not going to sell you a computer at what it cost them to build. That just doesn't make sense. They are going add money to what the components cost, charge you to put it together and test it ( you hope they do that anyway lol). And good support costs money, so they factor that in too. Again you hope that is the case anyway. Also they are probably going to role in the cost of the new windows key as well. And maybe put a bunch of bloat ware and crap on your operating system you don't want.

 

I worked at a small computer store in California back in the 90s, before the internet was a thing. We had BBS's and dial up lol. So either you knew how to work on computers, or you had a buddy or kid that did. If you didn't know what you were doing you kind of screwed. There was no internet to turn to to find help, answers and guides. We charged a fair amount of money to build a computer. By that I mean they were expensive, I won't lie. When we built a system for someone we sat down and had a talk with them. We asked what they wanted to do with the computer, if they wanted anything specific and what their budget was. Then we designed a system around that. We built the system, installed any software they wanted and configured it all. Then we tested it and left it running over night to make sure it all worked ok. After that we delivered it to your house, set it up and helped you learn the basics of how to use it and navigate windows. This was a thing back then, some had never seen a computer lol. If you had any problems you called us. We came to your house to look at it. If we couldn't fix it there we took it back to the shop and fixed it. Normally at no cost to you. We also had business accounts and worked with schools and stuff. So while we charged a lot of money we provided a lot of service in return. You probably won't find that these days, maybe with a small local shop or something, but not with retial store or online stuff. They just slap the stuff together and send it to you for the most part. If you have a problem you can take it back or mail it back, maybe.

 

      Option 2, building your own system. The advantage to this is obviously you save money. You buy the parts at cost for the best deals you can find and there are no hidden or extra costs. You get to pick the parts you want, not some package someone offers that might or might not be exactly what you want. You most likely already have windows so why pay for that again. Another advantage is since you put it together you know what is in it and how it went together. This makes it easier if something goes wrong and you have to trouble shoot it or fix it. And you get the pride of knowing you did it yourself. Now you can brag to your friends that you built your system and tell old people how much money you saved lol. Welcome to the PC master race, congrats you are officialy a nerd. Then again once you tell people this they are going to want you to fix their stuff for them lol.

 

On down side you don't get any support, but depending on who you were going to buy from it might matter since their support might have been so shitty or non existant it wasn't worth it anyway. If something goes wrong during your build you are are on your own to figure out what went wrong. There is always the internet with forums like this and youtube with a ton of how to vidoes. Sometimes nothing beats experience though, or having a bunch of extra parts laying around to swap out if something doesn't work. And how will get that experience if you never try in the first place.

 

No warranty is a downside I guess, to a point. The parts you bought should have them though. So if something is bad or goes bad you can RMA it or return it. I have never had anyone give me any issues with returns. Even if it was my fault and I screwed something up. You will have to do the work yourself though. You can just take the whole thing back or send it back and say "it doesn't work right, fix it".

 

It can be time consuming and frustrating at first, or if something doesn't go right. However it isn't rocket science either. If you can build a model or put furniture from a box together you can probably build a computer after watching some vidoes and asking some questions. And don't be afraid to ask for help. Use the internet or ask around town and see if there is someone that can help you out your first time. Personally if you live in my area I would help you, or anyone else build a PC. Just for the experience of seeing them learn something new.

 

      Option 3, upgrading and using some of your old parts. Pretty much the same pros and cons as option 2, you just save more money by not buying stuff you don't really need. Or if you had the budget to by a new system, or all the parts to build a new system you can use that money to buy better parts for the upgrade.

[Vainix]

58 minutes ago, paulmohr said:

Grab something to drink, this isn't going to be a short post (like that is an option with me?).

 

 

Ok, so your options are by a completely new PC that someone else built. Like from a retail store, a small shop that build custom PC's or an online thing like you did with your current system.

 

Or, buying the all the parts for a completely new system and building it yourself. Which if I remember correctly you said you had concerns about because you were not sure you could do it.

 

Or the other option, upgrade what you have buying some key components and re using what you have that is still perfectly fine for what you need.

 

       Option 1, buying a new prebuilt system from someone else. For starters you can kiss your budget of 400 dollars good bye, you are going to blow that out of the water. If you can find something for that kind of money it will probably be something you wouldn't give your grandma to use for browsing the internet lol. I mean you are looking for something significantly better than what you have. Not the same, worse or slightly better. If that were the case save your money and keep using what you have.

 

The advantages to a pre built system is one, you don't have to put it together. It is already done, you just pick it up and walk out or they deliver it to your door. Easy peasy, no fuss no muss. The other advantages are waranty, service and support. If the company you are buying it from isn't any good with any of these it is kind of pointless. You might as well buy a nice used system from someone.

 

The down side is this costs money. These companies are not going to sell you a computer at what it cost them to build. That just doesn't make sense. They are going add money to what the components cost, charge you to put it together and test it ( you hope they do that anyway lol). And good support costs money, so they factor that in too. Again you hope that is the case anyway. Also they are probably going to role in the cost of the new windows key as well. And maybe put a bunch of bloat ware and crap on your operating system you don't want.

 

I worked at a small computer store in California back in the 90s, before the internet was a thing. We had BBS's and dial up lol. So either you knew how to work on computers, or you had a buddy or kid that did. If you didn't know what you were doing you kind of screwed. There was no internet to turn to to find help, answers and guides. We charged a fair amount of money to build a computer. By that I mean they were expensive, I won't lie. When we built a system for someone we sat down and had a talk with them. We asked what they wanted to do with the computer, if they wanted anything specific and what their budget was. Then we designed a system around that. We built the system, installed any software they wanted and configured it all. Then we tested it and left it running over night to make sure it all worked ok. After that we delivered it to your house, set it up and helped you learn the basics of how to use it and navigate windows. This was a thing back then, some had never seen a computer lol. If you had any problems you called us. We came to your house to look at it. If we couldn't fix it there we took it back to the shop and fixed it. Normally at no cost to you. We also had business accounts and worked with schools and stuff. So while we charged a lot of money we provided a lot of service in return. You probably won't find that these days, maybe with a small local shop or something, but not with retial store or online stuff. They just slap the stuff together and send it to you for the most part. If you have a problem you can take it back or mail it back, maybe.

 

      Option 2, building your own system. The advantage to this is obviously you save money. You buy the parts at cost for the best deals you can find and there are no hidden or extra costs. You get to pick the parts you want, not some package someone offers that might or might not be exactly what you want. You most likely already have windows so why pay for that again. Another advantage is since you put it together you know what is in it and how it went together. This makes it easier if something goes wrong and you have to trouble shoot it or fix it. And you get the pride of knowing you did it yourself. Now you can brag to your friends that you built your system and tell old people how much money you saved lol. Welcome to the PC master race, congrats you are officialy a nerd. Then again once you tell people this they are going to want you to fix their stuff for them lol.

 

On down side you don't get any support, but depending on who you were going to buy from it might matter since their support might have been so shitty or non existant it wasn't worth it anyway. If something goes wrong during your build you are are on your own to figure out what went wrong. There is always the internet with forums like this and youtube with a ton of how to vidoes. Sometimes nothing beats experience though, or having a bunch of extra parts laying around to swap out if something doesn't work. And how will get that experience if you never try in the first place.

 

No warranty is a downside I guess, to a point. The parts you bought should have them though. So if something is bad or goes bad you can RMA it or return it. I have never had anyone give me any issues with returns. Even if it was my fault and I screwed something up. You will have to do the work yourself though. You can just take the whole thing back or send it back and say "it doesn't work right, fix it".

 

It can be time consuming and frustrating at first, or if something doesn't go right. However it isn't rocket science either. If you can build a model or put furniture from a box together you can probably build a computer after watching some vidoes and asking some questions. And don't be afraid to ask for help. Use the internet or ask around town and see if there is someone that can help you out your first time. Personally if you live in my area I would help you, or anyone else build a PC. Just for the experience of seeing them learn something new.

 

      Option 3, upgrading and using some of your old parts. Pretty much the same pros and cons as option 2, you just save more money by not buying stuff you don't really need. Or if you had the budget to by a new system, or all the parts to build a new system you can use that money to buy better parts for the upgrade.

Thank you for all this. So I’m leaning towards saving up to build my very first PC, Just one thing i’m worried about is the Cable management. Like what if i mess up will something happen?

[Vainix]

Also can you explain what you mean by like i have windows already?

[paulmohr]

19 minutes ago, Vainix said:

Also can you explain what you mean by like i have windows already?

Well most people that already have a computer are using windows, unless are using linux or something. So you have it installed on a drive. I forgot you bought a pre built though so you might not have the windows key? Well maybe, it should be on a sticker somewhere on the computer.

 

When you switch the parts over or if you install windows it will most likely want you to reactivate it, you will need that key to do it. The "key" is the code you enter to prove you paid for windows. Windows 10 will actually run fine without ever activating, its not like it will shut down or anything. It just puts a water mark at the bottom or something telling you its not activated. And there are a few personal features you can't use like maybe changing the theme or something.

 

Just google how to make a windows instal drive and you will find plenty of info on how to do that.

[Vainix]

1 hour ago, paulmohr said:

Well most people that already have a computer are using windows, unless are using linux or something. So you have it installed on a drive. I forgot you bought a pre built though so you might not have the windows key? Well maybe, it should be on a sticker somewhere on the computer.

 

When you switch the parts over or if you install windows it will most likely want you to reactivate it, you will need that key to do it. The "key" is the code you enter to prove you paid for windows. Windows 10 will actually run fine without ever activating, its not like it will shut down or anything. It just puts a water mark at the bottom or something telling you its not activated. And there are a few personal features you can't use like maybe changing the theme or something.

 

Just google how to make a windows instal drive and you will find plenty of info on how to do that.

Ok I found the sticker on the side. Thank you so much.

[paulmohr]

Oh, on the cable management thing. For the most part that is just people being picky and anal about how it looks. It could look like a hot mess and it isn't going to effect how it works. Maybe if the cables are wadded up infront of a fan or something it might effect air flow. Unless you have a glass panel case or are going to take it apart and show it I figure who freaking cares. I am not going to waste an hour or more trying to get everything looking all pretty when no one is going to see it anyway lol.

 

If you are talking about actually making the connections don't panic. Most of them only fit one way and will only go in one spot. At least the important ones. And the motherboard will come with a book with picture and diagrams of where all the pins and plugs and ports are on the board and they all have number and letter codes next to the printed on the board. The book will show extactly what plugs into where. And the tiny little wires with the plugs on them on the face of the case have little labels printed on them to show what they are. They are standard terms and labels and the book will show exactly where to plug them in on the motherboard. Even if you screw up it pretty hard to actually ruin something.

 

Honestly its like legos for big boys. In the old days things were not labeled as well, there was either no book or it sucked and things were not standardized. And you had to use jumpers on hard drives and the board and flip dip switches and stuff to tell it what to do. Its way easier now. My only concern would be if had vision problems, your fingers didn't work right or you had some kind of disability that effected your motor control and skills. Otherwise just go slow and take your time, it will be fine. Watch some build videos on youtube, there are lots of them. You might even find one where they use your exact same board.

[Vainix]

16 hours ago, paulmohr said:

Oh, on the cable management thing. For the most part that is just people being picky and anal about how it looks. It could look like a hot mess and it isn't going to effect how it works. Maybe if the cables are wadded up infront of a fan or something it might effect air flow. Unless you have a glass panel case or are going to take it apart and show it I figure who freaking cares. I am not going to waste an hour or more trying to get everything looking all pretty when no one is going to see it anyway lol.

 

If you are talking about actually making the connections don't panic. Most of them only fit one way and will only go in one spot. At least the important ones. And the motherboard will come with a book with picture and diagrams of where all the pins and plugs and ports are on the board and they all have number and letter codes next to the printed on the board. The book will show extactly what plugs into where. And the tiny little wires with the plugs on them on the face of the case have little labels printed on them to show what they are. They are standard terms and labels and the book will show exactly where to plug them in on the motherboard. Even if you screw up it pretty hard to actually ruin something.

 

Honestly its like legos for big boys. In the old days things were not labeled as well, there was either no book or it sucked and things were not standardized. And you had to use jumpers on hard drives and the board and flip dip switches and stuff to tell it what to do. Its way easier now. My only concern would be if had vision problems, your fingers didn't work right or you had some kind of disability that effected your motor control and skills. Otherwise just go slow and take your time, it will be fine. Watch some build videos on youtube, there are lots of them. You might even find one where they use your exact same board.

Have decided building is the way to go.

[Metallus97]

23 hours ago, Vainix said:

do you think it’s worth doing that? or do you think a new pc would be a better option? 

NO! At the Moment your GPU outperforms your CPU by a lot!

Maybe get an SSD, if you don't already have one and then your PC will be pretty awesome for 1080p

 

4 minutes ago, Vainix said:

Have decided building is the way to go.

OKKKK, BUT PLEAESSSEEEE: Reuuse the GPU! For 1080p its fine!

Otherwhise: What else do you have components whise? Maybe you can reuse more and save up some extra $$

Because:

19 hours ago, -rascal- said:

 

You are essentially building a new PC -- CPU / motherboard / RAM ... aside from the graphics card ... are the major components in a PC.

You COULD sell your entire current PC to get some money back, and use that towards 100% brand-new system (e.g. new case, HDD/SSD, video card).

 

But... that won't be $450. A new video card, with similar GTX 1070 performance, would be in the $250+ range alone.

CPU + motherboard + RAM = $400

Video Card (e.g. GTX 1660 Ti) = $280

New Case = $100 ~ $150

Power Supply = $50 ~ $80

SSD (e.g. 500 GB SATA III) = $70

Windows 10?

 

And do you already have Win10? When rebuilding while reusing parts you can reuse your license 

[-rascal-]

3 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

NO! At the Moment your GPU outperforms your CPU by a lot!

Maybe get an SSD, if you don't already have one and then your PC will be pretty awesome for 1080p

 

OKKKK, BUT PLEAESSSEEEE: Reuuse the GPU! For 1080p its fine!

Otherwhise: What else do you have components whise? Maybe you can reuse more and save up some extra $$

Because:

And do you already have Win10? When rebuilding while reusing parts you can reuse your license 

 

I had Windows 10 with a "?" because it looks like the OP's system is a pre-built iBuyPower PC.

Windows 10 key should have been registered with his iBuyPower's hardware ID (e.g. motherboard) prior to being shipped out.

It is unlikely THAT Windows 10 key can be used on a new custom-built PC.